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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby bluesince62 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:17 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:There are a lot of coincidential themes in the last 18 months that would appear to help move the world towards the agenda 21 aims listed above that don't stand up to any scrutiny yet have been pushed hard by the media and are accepted quite blindly by the majority Extintion Rebellion, BLM and Covid-19 all have massive questions around them when you look at the data. All have had a negative impact on western civilization.

Could just be coincidence but at a gut level, for me, it feels like something more.

I really, really hope I'm just a paranoid nut job mind you as the alternative is not good :thumbup:

Why do you think they decided to wait 28 years before doing anything then?



Whose to say they have waited 28 years though? There has been a raft of NEW viruses around flu since I was a kid,whose to say they haven't tried before? But I have to say,the world has closed down ,for so far 660,000 deaths? Including twisted figures that have included people who have just tested positive for covid,even though they had terminal cancer??
Just because you test positive for it,doesn't equate to your death,I would confidently suggest the figures that actually attribute covid 19 as "cause of death" are rather lower than the figures quoted.in Italy, it's around 15% of total deaths,that state covid as direct cause of death" the other 85% were gravely I'll, and covid was too much for their already weakened bodies :sad7: and tipped the scales,maybe a little sooner than expected, whilst I am not looking to convince anyone of anything,as I believe we are all grown individuals,who can decide for themselves,but do agree,unless you look beyond msm,you will not have a full picture so to speak? Just my personal belief,and not intended to offend,or side with anyone,but it is to me a strange one,I mean even during our darkest days,we carried on as best we could,and I'm of the belief we have to do the same now.but lastly,to me this doesn't feel right,and I've read and watched videos since lockdown started,and see both sides of the coin,but it doesn't feel right to be "locked down" if as suggested recently this virus is airborne, what am I supposed to do,shut my windows and try not to breathe,wear a mask,even to bed?? Because airborne,we cannot hide from,unless you have a house full of specialist ppe to hand? :old: :bluebird:
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Postby ealing_ayatollah » Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:03 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:There are a lot of coincidential themes in the last 18 months that would appear to help move the world towards the agenda 21 aims listed above that don't stand up to any scrutiny yet have been pushed hard by the media and are accepted quite blindly by the majority Extintion Rebellion, BLM and Covid-19 all have massive questions around them when you look at the data. All have had a negative impact on western civilization.

Could just be coincidence but at a gut level, for me, it feels like something more.

I really, really hope I'm just a paranoid nut job mind you as the alternative is not good :thumbup:

Why do you think they decided to wait 28 years before doing anything then?

Building not waiting. For a lot longer than 28 years.

Why put the foot on the gas now?

WHO knows.

Nearing the end possibly? Trump wasn't supposed to happen and has forced the agenda meaning they are panicking? Doesnt really matter - there is something fundamentally wrong.

I've come to the conclusion that some people, a minority but a growing number, just intuitively feel things are not as they are supposed to be and start seeking some answers.

Others don't see it at all and think we're mad.

Either way I don't think there is any convincing those who aren't ready to listen.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:37 pm

ealing_ayatollah wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:There are a lot of coincidential themes in the last 18 months that would appear to help move the world towards the agenda 21 aims listed above that don't stand up to any scrutiny yet have been pushed hard by the media and are accepted quite blindly by the majority Extintion Rebellion, BLM and Covid-19 all have massive questions around them when you look at the data. All have had a negative impact on western civilization.

Could just be coincidence but at a gut level, for me, it feels like something more.

I really, really hope I'm just a paranoid nut job mind you as the alternative is not good :thumbup:

Why do you think they decided to wait 28 years before doing anything then?

Building not waiting. For a lot longer than 28 years.

Why put the foot on the gas now?

WHO knows.

Nearing the end possibly? Trump wasn't supposed to happen and has forced the agenda meaning they are panicking? Doesnt really matter - there is something fundamentally wrong.

I've come to the conclusion that some people, a minority but a growing number, just intuitively feel things are not as they are supposed to be and start seeking some answers.

Others don't see it at all and think we're mad.

Either way I don't think there is any convincing those who aren't ready to listen.


Last year I listened to a podcast which had David icke on, during it he spoke about 9/11. He spoke about everything from flight logs, recorded phone calls, building plans, security camera layout, the impacts and a load of other things. That has lead me to be skeptical of it. Now compare that to this theory which is:
The global elite (who no one knows their number, age, name, location etc etc) have decided to make a virus to force people to go into a lock down and eventually maybe get a vaccine and fulfill a un advisory and unenforceable pledge from over a quarter of a century ago. Let's not forget the 3 1/2 hour exercise about pandemics (one of over 200 they do a year) which happened mere months beforehand... Where nothing was agreed.

Can you see the difference? I need more than 'they might have done this' or 'you never know, it could be them'.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby ealing_ayatollah » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:43 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:There are a lot of coincidential themes in the last 18 months that would appear to help move the world towards the agenda 21 aims listed above that don't stand up to any scrutiny yet have been pushed hard by the media and are accepted quite blindly by the majority Extintion Rebellion, BLM and Covid-19 all have massive questions around them when you look at the data. All have had a negative impact on western civilization.

Could just be coincidence but at a gut level, for me, it feels like something more.

I really, really hope I'm just a paranoid nut job mind you as the alternative is not good :thumbup:

Why do you think they decided to wait 28 years before doing anything then?

Building not waiting. For a lot longer than 28 years.

Why put the foot on the gas now?

WHO knows.

Nearing the end possibly? Trump wasn't supposed to happen and has forced the agenda meaning they are panicking? Doesnt really matter - there is something fundamentally wrong.

I've come to the conclusion that some people, a minority but a growing number, just intuitively feel things are not as they are supposed to be and start seeking some answers.

Others don't see it at all and think we're mad.

Either way I don't think there is any convincing those who aren't ready to listen.


Last year I listened to a podcast which had David icke on, during it he spoke about 9/11. He spoke about everything from flight logs, recorded phone calls, building plans, security camera layout, the impacts and a load of other things. That has lead me to be skeptical of it. Now compare that to this theory which is:
The global elite (who no one knows their number, age, name, location etc etc) have decided to make a virus to force people to go into a lock down and eventually maybe get a vaccine and fulfill a un advisory and unenforceable pledge from over a quarter of a century ago. Let's not forget the 3 1/2 hour exercise about pandemics (one of over 200 they do a year) which happened mere months beforehand... Where nothing was agreed.

Can you see the difference? I need more than 'they might have done this' or 'you never know, it could be them'.

I'm not trying to convince you. Some of the answers are there for those who choose to look. For those who don't a smoking gun likely wouldn't be enough.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby skidemin » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:31 am

ealing_ayatollah wrote:
skidemin wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
skidemin wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
skidemin wrote:i cant begin to believe how the word depopulate is even being used... how can you depopulate by killing a ridiculously low { when talking about depopultting } number of people whose life spans are very short anyway... ???????????

Hypothetically...

By creating mass hysteria over a disease that isn't anywhere near as fatal as it is being presented, through carefully co-ordinated drip-fed psychological coercion and subsequent iterative removal of rights to convince populations on masse that the disease is so deadly that the only way we can return to normal is via vaccination of the entire global population and then the 'discovery' a couple of years later that the hastily created vaccination actually 'accidentally' sterilised a significant proportion of those who took it.

Bill Gates has openly talked about the need for population reduction and the role vaccines could play in that, so there is some precedent for the idea at least. During a TedX speech he said "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent"

For balance, the counter argument put forward is that Gates is trying to reduce child mortality so mothers in Africa don't have to have so many children. The point being is that they have more kids because they don't know how many will survive - same as Europe a century or so ago basically.

To repeat this is all hypothetical, and I'm not saying that is necessarily my thoughts. (although there is a tin-foil hat on my avatar for a reason :lol: )

It's just as likely to my mind that the whole thing could be about pure and simple greed - Gates is set to become an even more wealthy man once he sells the vaccine. But... if I were part of a global shadow government hell-bent on global domination the above would definitely be one possible way i'd consider approaching reducing the population to being both subservient and at a more manageable level.

Depends how far down the rabbit hole folks want to go. But Mr Coat makes numerous very well made points around Agenda 21 etc and the links are worth further reading for those who want to explore it for themselves.

Dave Cullen's channel on youtube is also a good resource with some very good interviews around the topic for those who are interested https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT9D87 ... 7NHOR5DUOQ

Alternatively, it might just all make a damn good book. :thumbup:



the problem with that..
a huge percentage of those of a reproductive age dont buy this at all... its mostly middle aged men/women frightened out of their wits.. calling the young idiots...

I'll save it for a plot for a book then. :thumbup:



just my observations . ive been out and about quite a lot over the last couple of weeks , beer gardens camp sites and beach areas etc are busier than ive ever seen them . traffic /isnt normal but is getting there..ive been invited to 3 all dayers 2 in Bristol 1 in Birmingham over the nxt 2 Saturdays all minibus trips.. . and most people i actually talk too are as mystyified as to whats going on as i am... do you know anyone thats dead ? seems to be a catch phrase... followed by erm sort of , mary down the roads gran died aged 89..but marys family didnt think she would see her 90th birthday anyway..
if you were an elite and manufactured a deadly virus ...seriously how happy would you be with these results. and would you seriously write a book about people being terrified of the large numbers of deaths but do not know of any themselves its hardly dawn of the dead is it ?

i do not disagree with the drip feed from the media.. the deaths covered are the 1% most likely to pull on the heart strings .. younger/ health workers etc without mention that 1700 people a day die in this country every day even when covid free and some of the 1700 are young and/or NHS workers.. the latest is this spike... really ? we have ramped up our testing , remember all the fuss because we were not hitting the 10k tests a day ? its now well over 200k , drop the mumber of tests back to 8k and the spike magically disappears..
anyway ..conspiracy is jury out. personally im erring on huge over reaction followed by being over cautious , having spent billions and crashed economies no leader wants to get caught out


I suppose the question I'm asking would be is the virus the end goal or a tool for issuing greater authoritarian measures that pave the way for something even more nefarious. Creating a need/desire for every person on the planet to have a vaccination would be a good thing if you were an evil global elite.

Equally, your last point could just as easily be on the money. Country by country, leader by leader, no-one wants to be the one who got it wrong, so they've all followed each other. Problem no-one knows what they are doing.

There are a lot of coincidential themes in the last 18 months that would appear to help move the world towards the agenda 21 aims listed above that don't stand up to any scrutiny yet have been pushed hard by the media and are accepted quite blindly by the majority Extintion Rebellion, BLM and Covid-19 all have massive questions around them when you look at the data. All have had a negative impact on western civilization.

Could just be coincidence but at a gut level, for me, it feels like something more.

I really, really hope I'm just a paranoid nut job mind you as the alternative is not good :thumbup:



i hope you are too :lol: the idea that leaders are all afraid to over reach and be the one getting it in the neck is preferable to it being something far more sinister...
the other stuff...well and the media coverage of this too tbh.. frighten the life out of me... and no none of it stands up to scrutiny yet trained, experienced journalists from reputable news outlets of have teams of well educated reporters took about a month to even consider BLM was not some sort of spontaneous grass roots uprising.. nah.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby Borders Blue » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:07 am

So called 'conspiracy theorists' are usually people whose research causes them to disagree with the mainstream narrative. Have a look at this from Dr. Malcolm Kendrick - no conspiracy here, just facts. https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/07/25/covid-fear/ Some are saying that deaths from Covid 19 have been understated. I have seen much evidence that they are actually being inflated considerably. Why? you may ask. Good question.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:20 pm

The opening post video referred to a threat against the elite. Does such a threat exist? Almost certainly.

You won’t be told in the UK media but essentially Obama/Clinton/Biden and others have been caught using the US security services electronic surveillance for electoral advantage to spy on Trump and other politicians and individuals since at least 2012. It seems that this spying has also been used to facilitate insider trading deals which have made millions for US politicians and their backers.

This is on top of various situations where kickbacks have received for US foreign aid. Not forgetting the blackmail potential. All in all we are talking trillions of corruptly gained dollars and perversion of justice. Investigations are underway and indictments may be brought before the November election. Dems and their backers (most important) must be bricking it. Jail, disgrace and end of gravy train. Huge disaster (for them). Almost guaranteed if Trump is re-elected.

Then you have China. An interesting one in that they are now the workshop of the world and are relied upon by the Globalists to provide the cheap stuff that keeps the western populations happy and the big-shots increasingly wealthy. The elites quite like the authoritarian capitalist model and seem intent on bringing some of the control mechanisms to the west (see ‘Social Credit’ Model –also link above for UK ID scheme and immunity passports https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown).

There is increasingly a problem in that China is showing that it’s not the junior partner and wants to be top dog which is not what the Western Globalists had intended when they de-industrialised the West. (not so fuckin clever after all). So the Globalist corporations and US money, Walmart/Amazons/Apples etc are in a bind but there is an immediate common cause with China which also has a big problem with Trump’s moves to repatriate industry/ impose tariffs (equals jobs for US workers –fancy a politician doing that!) which would upset the current applecart.

Until Covid Trump was nailed on for re-election (true) now it’s not so clear. Mmmmmmm.

It is almost certain that the Cov19 virus originated in the PLA germ lab in Wuhan and was quietly released to the world with Chinese Govt acquiescence. And if you do not believe the Chinese could happily kill a few million people if it furthered their aims, a little reading might persuade you.

Would today’s Western (Globalist) elites do similar? World Wars 1 and 2 certainly killed millions. Stalin with a head start in the 1920’s beat Hitler in the murder stakes by some distance. So it’s possible but unlikely in that guise. Would they use revolution and enforced, destructive societal change? Most certainly, happening right now in a location very near to you. How about a pandemic – or the threat of one?

Do not underestimate the vicious cynicism of the people who really run the world (it isn’t people like Boris or the rest of the clowns in Parliament). You think they give a sh1t about you or anyone other than themselves and their abiding interests. No way.

There is something so far very weird about Covid as the panic subsides. If you are generally fit and well, the chances of survival are very high. In fact you may not even be aware you have it. The infection rate is going up (increased testing would generate this) but not the hospital admissions rate and certainly not the death rates which shows that the most common symptom of CV19 is that you will feel absolutely fine. Of course people with diabetes, other conditions and the aged/infirm are at risk. Even so the statistics are questionable. Hancock had to admit on tv that the death rates were unreliable (i.e. overstated) and would be investigated. Now quietly memory holed.

In the UK it seems more people will die due to the usual flu and deferred/unavailable medical treatments caused by this event.

You have to wonder.

I think it was one of the Obama cronies who said ‘never let a crisis go to waste. It seems that has indeed been the case.

US – lockdowns. riots, closing the economy, BLM, ‘Trump racist’ (no evidence he is and black support was large and increasing) Dems want postal voting (huge scope for ballot rigging- US very dodgy in that regard) and more...

UK – As per US with our own slant. Get tested for Covid and your DNA is taken and stored. Immunity passports planned and so on.

You don’t think the elites are going for it big time?

I refer you to Wall St World Economic Forum Big Cheese Charles Schwab who spoke on 3rd June:

https://t.co/jXlj8CuIzf?amp=1

Line up for your bar-code tattoos/implants when ordered.

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Postby CCFCJosh75 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:11 am

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:The opening post video referred to a threat against the elite. Does such a threat exist? Almost certainly.

You won’t be told in the UK media but essentially Obama/Clinton/Biden and others have been caught using the US security services electronic surveillance for electoral advantage to spy on Trump and other politicians and individuals since at least 2012. It seems that this spying has also been used to facilitate insider trading deals which have made millions for US politicians and their backers.

This is on top of various situations where kickbacks have received for US foreign aid. Not forgetting the blackmail potential. All in all we are talking trillions of corruptly gained dollars and perversion of justice. Investigations are underway and indictments may be brought before the November election. Dems and their backers (most important) must be bricking it. Jail, disgrace and end of gravy train. Huge disaster (for them). Almost guaranteed if Trump is re-elected.

Then you have China. An interesting one in that they are now the workshop of the world and are relied upon by the Globalists to provide the cheap stuff that keeps the western populations happy and the big-shots increasingly wealthy. The elites quite like the authoritarian capitalist model and seem intent on bringing some of the control mechanisms to the west (see ‘Social Credit’ Model –also link above for UK ID scheme and immunity passports https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown).

There is increasingly a problem in that China is showing that it’s not the junior partner and wants to be top dog which is not what the Western Globalists had intended when they de-industrialised the West. (not so fuckin clever after all). So the Globalist corporations and US money, Walmart/Amazons/Apples etc are in a bind but there is an immediate common cause with China which also has a big problem with Trump’s moves to repatriate industry/ impose tariffs (equals jobs for US workers –fancy a politician doing that!) which would upset the current applecart.

Until Covid Trump was nailed on for re-election (true) now it’s not so clear. Mmmmmmm.

It is almost certain that the Cov19 virus originated in the PLA germ lab in Wuhan and was quietly released to the world with Chinese Govt acquiescence. And if you do not believe the Chinese could happily kill a few million people if it furthered their aims, a little reading might persuade you.

Would today’s Western (Globalist) elites do similar? World Wars 1 and 2 certainly killed millions. Stalin with a head start in the 1920’s beat Hitler in the murder stakes by some distance. So it’s possible but unlikely in that guise. Would they use revolution and enforced, destructive societal change? Most certainly, happening right now in a location very near to you. How about a pandemic – or the threat of one?

Do not underestimate the vicious cynicism of the people who really run the world (it isn’t people like Boris or the rest of the clowns in Parliament). You think they give a sh1t about you or anyone other than themselves and their abiding interests. No way.

There is something so far very weird about Covid as the panic subsides. If you are generally fit and well, the chances of survival are very high. In fact you may not even be aware you have it. The infection rate is going up (increased testing would generate this) but not the hospital admissions rate and certainly not the death rates which shows that the most common symptom of CV19 is that you will feel absolutely fine. Of course people with diabetes, other conditions and the aged/infirm are at risk. Even so the statistics are questionable. Hancock had to admit on tv that the death rates were unreliable (i.e. overstated) and would be investigated. Now quietly memory holed.

In the UK it seems more people will die due to the usual flu and deferred/unavailable medical treatments caused by this event.

You have to wonder.

I think it was one of the Obama cronies who said ‘never let a crisis go to waste. It seems that has indeed been the case.

US – lockdowns. riots, closing the economy, BLM, ‘Trump racist’ (no evidence he is and black support was large and increasing) Dems want postal voting (huge scope for ballot rigging- US very dodgy in that regard) and more...

UK – As per US with our own slant. Get tested for Covid and your DNA is taken and stored. Immunity passports planned and so on.

You don’t think the elites are going for it big time?

I refer you to Wall St World Economic Forum Big Cheese Charles Schwab who spoke on 3rd June:

https://t.co/jXlj8CuIzf?amp=1

Line up for your bar-code tattoos/implants when ordered.

(My favourite definition of Globalism is 'communism for bankers.')


Can I ask where you've got all this information from?
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Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:19 pm

Well Josh,
It's an amazing if not incredible state of affairs isn't it? But it's true. In fact it's even worse than I set out , as the plotting and impeachment investigation was a failed coup against a President designate/sitting President.

There is also the small matter of the framing of Lt General Flynn and the ongoing court case.

A quick look at your posts confirmed you are a lefty troll, perhaps a paid one, so I'm not sure I'll bother with the sources. But I can tell you it's not the Lizard People Post ,Tin Foil Times or Chicken Noodle News.

I have followed the US political scene for a number of years now and there is plenty of good info if you avoid the mainstream media.

The mainstream media narrative, print and broadcast, is complete bullshit.
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Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:22 pm

Another -factual -link this time from the UK Govt's own website:

https://t.co/alKlheUQIB?amp=1

This report admits that ''when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs (Quality of Life Adjusted Year) than the direct COVID-19 deaths.”

Stat's I know, but it's as I said.
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Postby CCFCJosh75 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:50 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Another -factual -link this time from the UK Govt's own website:

https://t.co/alKlheUQIB?amp=1

This report admits that ''when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs (Quality of Life Adjusted Year) than the direct COVID-19 deaths.”

Stat's I know, but it's as I said.


Did you not even read to the end of that page?

'It should be noted that the health impacts modelled here represent a scenario with mitigations in
place. Without mitigations, a far larger number of people would have died from COVID-19 such that
the QALY impact from COVID-19 deaths would be more than three times the total QALY impact of all
the categories (mortality and morbidity impacts) for the CSS mitigated scenario presented here. A
comparison with an unmitigated scenario3 is provided in Annex G and shows that mitigation have
prevented up to 1.5m direct COVID-19 deaths.'
I'm certainty earning my wage from the mysterious global elite tonight.
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Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:29 am

Josh,
trolls like you are so tiresome.

The section you quote suggests that there could have been 1.5 million deaths in some alternative ‘assumed’ world where no sensible precautions had been taken. This a total piece of arse covering (lots more of that to come). But they’ve had to come clean on the essential truth of their own statistics. They would look even worse if the actual covid deaths were properly counted. Don’t forget they’ve already admitted mis-counting.
Even the newspapers have picked up on this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... ronavirus/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... econd-wave

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html

From the Guardian:
‘Over 1 million fewer patients underwent planned surgery in England in April, May and June, and 30,000 to 40,000 could not start cancer treatment as hospitals discharged thousands of patients and suspended many of their usual services to concentrate on treating those with Covid-19.
Unavailability of care, in tandem with patients’ reluctance to go into hospital, have been linked to the fact that in England 12,000 more people than usual have died of illness not linked to Covid in recent months, such as heart attacks, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
One cancer expert has estimated that anywhere between 7,000 and 35,000 patients could die over the next year as a direct result of missing out on NHS care in recent months’

From the Telegraph:
‘The UK lockdown killed two people for every three whose deaths had been caused by coronavirus by the beginning of May, new Government figures suggest.
The estimates show that 16,000 people had died through missed medical care by May 1, while coronavirus killed 25,000 in the same period.
The figures include 6,000 people who did not attend A&E at the height of lockdown because of fears they might catch the virus and the feeling they should remain at home because of the "Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives" message.
Likewise, 10,000 people are thought to have died in care homes due to early discharge from hospital and not being able to access critical care.
The report also found that 2,500 lives may have been saved during lockdown because of healthier lifestyles, fewer infectious diseases in children, falls in air pollution and a decrease in road deaths.
The new figures – presented to the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) in the middle of July – were calculated by the Department of Health, the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the Government Actuary's Department and the Home Office.
The paper also estimates that a further 26,000 people could die by next month because of the healthcare restrictions.
In total, researchers predict that 81,500 people could lose their lives in the next 50 years through waiting longer for non-urgent elective care and the impact of the recession caused by the virus crisis.
In the next five years, 1,400 people are also expected to die because they were diagnosed with cancer too late.’

All the above ignores the additional human cost in terms of stress on individuals and families, broken businesses etc which in turn is likely to cause illness and premature deaths including suicides.
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Postby CCFCJosh75 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:24 am

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
trolls like you are so tiresome.

The section you quote suggests that there could have been 1.5 million deaths in some alternative ‘assumed’ world where no sensible precautions had been taken. This a total piece of arse covering (lots more of that to come). But they’ve had to come clean on the essential truth of their own statistics. They would look even worse if the actual covid deaths were properly counted. Don’t forget they’ve already admitted mis-counting.
Even the newspapers have picked up on this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... ronavirus/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... econd-wave

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html

From the Guardian:
‘Over 1 million fewer patients underwent planned surgery in England in April, May and June, and 30,000 to 40,000 could not start cancer treatment as hospitals discharged thousands of patients and suspended many of their usual services to concentrate on treating those with Covid-19.
Unavailability of care, in tandem with patients’ reluctance to go into hospital, have been linked to the fact that in England 12,000 more people than usual have died of illness not linked to Covid in recent months, such as heart attacks, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
One cancer expert has estimated that anywhere between 7,000 and 35,000 patients could die over the next year as a direct result of missing out on NHS care in recent months’

From the Telegraph:
‘The UK lockdown killed two people for every three whose deaths had been caused by coronavirus by the beginning of May, new Government figures suggest.
The estimates show that 16,000 people had died through missed medical care by May 1, while coronavirus killed 25,000 in the same period.
The figures include 6,000 people who did not attend A&E at the height of lockdown because of fears they might catch the virus and the feeling they should remain at home because of the "Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives" message.
Likewise, 10,000 people are thought to have died in care homes due to early discharge from hospital and not being able to access critical care.
The report also found that 2,500 lives may have been saved during lockdown because of healthier lifestyles, fewer infectious diseases in children, falls in air pollution and a decrease in road deaths.
The new figures – presented to the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) in the middle of July – were calculated by the Department of Health, the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the Government Actuary's Department and the Home Office.
The paper also estimates that a further 26,000 people could die by next month because of the healthcare restrictions.
In total, researchers predict that 81,500 people could lose their lives in the next 50 years through waiting longer for non-urgent elective care and the impact of the recession caused by the virus crisis.
In the next five years, 1,400 people are also expected to die because they were diagnosed with cancer too late.’

All the above ignores the additional human cost in terms of stress on individuals and families, broken businesses etc which in turn is likely to cause illness and premature deaths including suicides.

Well done, you've managed to defend something which no one was denying. You probably should've found information that without a lock down fewer people would've died.
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Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:11 pm

Josh,
You’ve missed the point, my trolling friend.
I stated that in the UK it seems more people will die due to the usual flu and deferred/unavailable medical treatments caused by the covid event.
The report substantiates this and you sought to decry it.
The effective closure of the NHS and engendering a sense of panic (as part of the lockdown) has already caused excess deaths and has sentenced thousands more to avoidable suffering and an early grave.
The question is why did the Govt change their initial stance and rush into the lockdown?
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Postby CCFCJosh75 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:16 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
You’ve missed the point, my trolling friend.
I stated that in the UK it seems more people will die due to the usual flu and deferred/unavailable medical treatments caused by the covid event.
The report substantiates this and you sought to decry it.
The effective closure of the NHS and engendering a sense of panic (as part of the lockdown) has already caused excess deaths and has sentenced thousands more to avoidable suffering and an early grave.
The question is why did the Govt change their initial stance and rush into the lockdown?

So I've decried the report by.... Using information from it? Makes sense.
A) The lock down was to prevent an overload of the NHS and to stop more covid deaths.
B) As your report says, if we didn't lock down corona deaths would be a huge amount greater than the excess deaths from lack of treatment. Lesser of two evils?

The government rushed into lockdown? If we'd gone a week earlier we could've prevented half of corona deaths.

I'll assume your reply will call me a troll and then not focus on point B whatsoever.
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Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:11 pm

Josh,
Of course you’re a troll. Amply demonstrated by your post history which speaks for itself. And that’s only one ID.

It’s not my report. It’s the Government’s. The analysis is from the Guardian and Telegraph.

I have pointed out the arse covering paragraph which you gleefully seized upon without thinking it through.
Your point/question ‘B’ is based on a totally false premise.

The relevant counter-factual is not the reports fantastical arse covering “unmitigated scenario”, but a continuation of the mitigation strategy put in place by the Government on March 16th in which people were encouraged to observe modest social distancing measures, with quarantining restricted to the infected, the elderly and the vulnerable. Even Chris Whitty (the funny looking medical science spokesman) has admitted, this strategy proved effective and the number of daily cases was falling before the full lockdown was imposed on March 23rd.

The first important question is “Did the full lockdown prevent more loss of life than it caused?” and this report clearly says not (even when using inflated death figures). The second one is why did they do it?

To the second, as yet we have no answer. Which takes us back to a main theme of the thread. We do however know that for the globalist progressives, this is not a crisis they have allowed to go to waste.
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Postby CCFCJosh75 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:57 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
Of course you’re a troll. Amply demonstrated by your post history which speaks for itself. And that’s only one ID.

It’s not my report. It’s the Government’s. The analysis is from the Guardian and Telegraph.

I have pointed out the arse covering paragraph which you gleefully seized upon without thinking it through.
Your point/question ‘B’ is based on a totally false premise.

The relevant counter-factual is not the reports fantastical arse covering “unmitigated scenario”, but a continuation of the mitigation strategy put in place by the Government on March 16th in which people were encouraged to observe modest social distancing measures, with quarantining restricted to the infected, the elderly and the vulnerable. Even Chris Whitty (the funny looking medical science spokesman) has admitted, this strategy proved effective and the number of daily cases was falling before the full lockdown was imposed on March 23rd.

The first important question is “Did the full lockdown prevent more loss of life than it caused?” and this report clearly says not (even when using inflated death figures). The second one is why did they do it?

To the second, as yet we have no answer. Which takes us back to a main theme of the thread. We do however know that for the globalist progressives, this is not a crisis they have allowed to go to waste.

So now I'm a paid troll with multiple accounts who has been tasked with infiltrating a championship football teams forum to question your sources on a post you made? If you say so...

Right, so it's a government report and should be trusted for the info you want but 2 sentences later it's all completely made up and should be disregarded. Maybe using some actual sources and scientific evidence to prove its wrong might be useful.

The number of daily cases wasn't falling (apart from one or two days) it increased to reach a peak on the 10th April. 2 weeks or so after lock down. Apart from the odd spikes, cases and weekly moving average decreased until July. Now lockdown is being eased the cases are increasing. Funny that. I'll assume you think these figures have been faked or it was actors or some shit.

The report clearly states the opposite of your conclusion of the 'did it prevent more loss of life than it caused' question. Obviously if you just reject the parts which say that it did you can get your own answers. Think that ticks off your second answer.
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Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:27 pm

:lol:
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