I had heard the rumours regarding Swansea / it seems true

My point is, whilst in the premier league you never won it.

So you won nothing. (never got to top six)

The cup competition is not the premier league.

We all have different opinions, most on here will see you as second city small council, rusting stadium club. Yes you had your time in the limelight (although you became strugglers there for 3 years) but you are no more now, than what I have just stated.
End of.

Who is saying we won the Premier League? I don't get your point at all.


Yadder yadder yadder... The prem is a competition you never won. We all have different opinions, most on here will see you as second city small council, rusting stadium club. Yes you had your time in the limelight you are no more now, than what I have just stated.

Your club is Wales's second city club in the Championship. It has a rusting stadium, owned by the council and is one of the smallest in the league. You finished behind us in the league last season, and it is common knowledge your club is on a downward spiral.(especially since your parachute payments ran out)

I will say no more now until the end of the season.
Interesting times ahead I reckon.....

Yadder yadder yadder... The prem is a competition you never won. We all have different opinions, most on here will see you as second city small council, rusting stadium club. Yes you had your time in the limelight you are no more now, than what I have just stated.

Your club is Wales's second city club in the Championship. It has a rusting stadium, owned by the council and is one of the smallest in the league. You finished behind us in the league last season, and it is common knowledge your club is on a downward spiral.(especially since your parachute payments ran out)

I will say no more now until the end of the season.
Interesting times ahead I reckon.....

We haven't won the Champions League either, but I'm not sure what relevance that has. I have never claimed to have won the Premier League. How most people on a Cardiff forum see us is of no consequence to anyone or anything.

The issue with common knowledge, is the same as common sense... it isn't that common. Nobody has any idea what the future holds for either of our clubs, that much is obvious by the mountain of Swansea will get relegated threads over the last decade.

And a final point, our parachute payments haven't ran out. This is the last year of them, we get an extra year due to our success in staying up for more than 1 season before relegation.

Yadder yadder yadder... The prem is a competition you never won. We all have different opinions, most on here will see you as second city small council, rusting stadium club. Yes you had your time in the limelight you are no more now, than what I have just stated.

Your club is Wales's second city club in the Championship. It has a rusting stadium, owned by the council and is one of the smallest in the league. You finished behind us in the league last season, and it is common knowledge your club is on a downward spiral.(especially since your parachute payments ran out)

I will say no more now until the end of the season.
Interesting times ahead I reckon.....

We haven't won the Champions League either, but I'm not sure what relevance that has. I have never claimed to have won the Premier League. How most people on a Cardiff forum see us is of no consequence to anyone or anything.

The issue with common knowledge, is the same as common sense... it isn't that common. Nobody has any idea what the future holds for either of our clubs, that much is obvious by the mountain of Swansea will get relegated threads over the last decade.

And a final point, our parachute payments haven't ran out. This is the last year of them, we get an extra year due to our success in staying up for more than 1 season before relegation.

Yadder yadder yadder... The prem is a competition you never won. We all have different opinions, most on here will see you as second city small council, rusting stadium club. Yes you had your time in the limelight you are no more now, than what I have just stated.

Your club is Wales's second city club in the Championship. It has a rusting stadium, owned by the council and is one of the smallest in the league. You finished behind us in the league last season, and it is common knowledge your club is on a downward spiral.(especially since your parachute payments ran out)

I will say no more now until the end of the season.
Interesting times ahead I reckon.....

We haven't won the Champions League either, but I'm not sure what relevance that has. I have never claimed to have won the Premier League. How most people on a Cardiff forum see us is of no consequence to anyone or anything.

The issue with common knowledge, is the same as common sense... it isn't that common. Nobody has any idea what the future holds for either of our clubs, that much is obvious by the mountain of Swansea will get relegated threads over the last decade.

And a final point, our parachute payments haven't ran out. This is the last year of them, we get an extra year due to our success in staying up for more than 1 season before relegation.

This is Roathie...

https://youtu.be/xpAvcGcEc0k

This is Roathie...

https://youtu.be/xpAvcGcEc0k

Because I am politely responding to you?

Makes sense to you I guess

This is Roathie...

https://youtu.be/xpAvcGcEc0k

Because I am politely responding to you?

Makes sense to you I guess

its a shame you couldnt stay on message re academies instead of making claims most Swansea fans do not even share.. some being a bit more reluctant to accept than others but never come across one with a bone like you have...

Roathie will say otherwise
He knows best

Nope, Annis is correct. The Academy status is absolutely being downgraded.

I said it would be a while ago, I said it would probably go after the parachute payments have ended, but since COVID, looks like it will be a year earlier than scheduled.

It’s very expensive to run, almost £4m a year. Completely unsustainable in the Championship.

Rubbish, £4m/year is sustainable if you produce only one decent player/year. The Jacks have produced many since having a Category 1 Academy and sold some on for massive fees, Ben Davies, Joe Allan,Dan James,McBurnie etc while they still have Welsh Internationals Roberts,Roden and Cardiff boy Cabanga etc That’s well over 100m of talent in 10years!
If we’re serious in producing on own players we take on their Category 1 status!

Ben Davies and Joe Allen were defo products. but not of a cat 1 academy... most of their time as juniors was spent training wherever was cheap and playing in places like the Elba... not even sure it was called an academy but cetainly wouldnt qualify to be one today... let alone cat1..

Even Cabango and Dan James came before Cat 1 status.

We achieved Cat 1 status just before 2016/17 season. Cabango and James signed in 2014. I think even McBurnie was signed before Cat 1 status.

So we have had nobody come through as a direct result of Cat 1 status. It’s an expensive luxury, great if you are an EPL club with £120m income a year where it barely registers at 3% of turnover. Not so great when you have to dedicate a 30% of your total income to it in the Championship however.

I’m sure people think you get Cat 1 status and it becomes a conveyor belt. It’s not the reality unfortunately.

agree... reality is the cat1 status is like everything else , a huge advantage to top 6 clubs... and academies in general are a drain.. most clubs have them these days so your sorta pushed into it but we { Cardiff } are producing less now not more...

its a shame you couldnt stay on message re academies instead of making claims most Swansea fans do not even share.. some being a bit more reluctant to accept than others but never come across one with a bone like you have...

I’m not with you. What is this in reference to?

If a discussion moves on, I’m going to follow it. That’s called a discussion.

its a shame you couldnt stay on message re academies instead of making claims most Swansea fans do not even share.. some being a bit more reluctant to accept than others but never come across one with a bone like you have...

I’m not with you. What is this in reference to?

If a discussion moves on, I’m going to follow it. That’s called a discussion.

someone unintentionally hits a nerve and then the next however many posts are just you biting on this size of club thing..

someone unintentionally hits a nerve and then the next however many posts are just you biting on this size of club thing..

Still not with you I’m afraid. Do you mean when someone asked me if I think we would be candidates for relegation in the future and I said not immediately but neither of our clubs are big enough to guarantee safety forever?

Then I had post after post telling me why you were the bigger club and me politely explaining why those things don’t really matter in comparison to success?

Not sure what point you are making to be fair. What claims do most Swansea fans not share and can you show me where you have seen this disagreement from them?

Birch leaves the vermin for spurs.

someone unintentionally hits a nerve and then the next however many posts are just you biting on this size of club thing..

Still not with you I’m afraid. Do you mean when someone asked me if I think we would be candidates for relegation in the future and I said not immediately but neither of our clubs are big enough to guarantee safety forever?

Then I had post after post telling me why you were the bigger club and me politely explaining why those things don’t really matter in comparison to success?

Not sure what point you are making to be fair. What claims do most Swansea fans not share and can you show me where you have seen this disagreement from them?

i cant show you speech sorry... its not seen its heard, believe..live in denial i do not care... im certainly not going to argue.. was just pointing out how youve gone off the rails again and its not a discussion thats moved on its you saying the exact opposite to everyone else again...

someone unintentionally hits a nerve and then the next however many posts are just you biting on this size of club thing..

Still not with you I’m afraid. Do you mean when someone asked me if I think we would be candidates for relegation in the future and I said not immediately but neither of our clubs are big enough to guarantee safety forever?

Then I had post after post telling me why you were the bigger club and me politely explaining why those things don’t really matter in comparison to success?

Not sure what point you are making to be fair. What claims do most Swansea fans not share and can you show me where you have seen this disagreement from them?

i cant show you speech sorry... its not seen its heard, believe..live in denial i do not care... im certainly not going to argue.. was just pointing out how youve gone off the rails again and its not a discussion thats moved on its you saying the exact opposite to everyone else again...

Just call him roundabout roathy? As he always goes round and round to have last word no matter how long it takes!

i cant show you speech sorry... its not seen its heard, believe..live in denial i do not care... im certainly not going to argue.. was just pointing out how youve gone off the rails again and its not a discussion thats moved on its you saying the exact opposite to everyone else again...

So when you say it’s a view most Swansea fans don’t hold... you clearly didn’t mean that then?

And when you say having the exact opposite opinion to everyone else... you mean the opposite opinion to 2-3 forum users?

Just making sure we are qualifying these statements of yours before assessing them for validity.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think I have seen or head a single Swansea fan saying anything different to what I have said. There are 3 Swansea forums, I’d be impressed if you could find 2 comments that state the opposite and it has been talked about in depth many times on all of them.

Some homework for you.

Just call him roundabout roathy? As he always goes round and round to have last word no matter how long it takes!

It’s just a conversation Al. I respond to people talking to me, if you feel I’m going around in circles then that will only be due to the responses being similar in nature that are being put to me.

Feel free to change the subject to any other football related topic if you are bored of a certain one, happy to discuss anything you like.

i cant show you speech sorry... its not seen its heard, believe..live in denial i do not care... im certainly not going to argue.. was just pointing out how youve gone off the rails again and its not a discussion thats moved on its you saying the exact opposite to everyone else again...

So when you say it’s a view most Swansea fans don’t hold... you clearly didn’t mean that then?

And when you say having the exact opposite opinion to everyone else... you mean the opposite opinion to 2-3 forum users?

Just making sure we are qualifying these statements of yours before assessing them for validity.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think I have seen or head a single Swansea fan saying anything different to what I have said. There are 3 Swansea forums, I’d be impressed if you could find 2 comments that state the opposite and it has been talked about in depth many times on all of them.

Some homework for you.

yes i did mean it. and would be gobsmacked if you even know one ...

yes i did mean it. and would be gobsmacked if you even know one ...

So which view are you referring to exactly?

And when you say most fans how many roughly have you spoken to about it? Ballpark figure will do just so I can roughly gauge what you are presenting here.

I can’t help but feel you are trolling.

Comparing Cardiff to MK Dons is odd but I suppose Swansea are more comparable to Newport County when discussing club size the Vetch was very similar to Somerton park in appearance and both clubs went bankrupt in the eighties

yes i did mean it. and would be gobsmacked if you even know one ...

So which view are you referring to exactly?

And when you say most fans how many roughly have you spoken to about it? Ballpark figure will do just so I can roughly gauge what you are presenting here.

I can’t help but feel you are trolling.

not trolling at all..just telling you my experiences with your lot and i do know quite a few.. but its a pointless conversation as you know im saying the truth , and do i really care if your the only jack thats not figured it out.. no i dont...was just trying to be helpful...

yes i did mean it. and would be gobsmacked if you even know one ...

So which view are you referring to exactly?

And when you say most fans how many roughly have you spoken to about it? Ballpark figure will do just so I can roughly gauge what you are presenting here.

I can’t help but feel you are trolling.

not trolling at all..just telling you my experiences with your lot and i do know quite a few.. but its a pointless conversation as you know im saying the truth , and do i really care if your the only jack thats not figured it out.. no i dont...was just trying to be helpful...

He's not a jack

yes i did mean it. and would be gobsmacked if you even know one ...

So which view are you referring to exactly?

And when you say most fans how many roughly have you spoken to about it? Ballpark figure will do just so I can roughly gauge what you are presenting here.

I can’t help but feel you are trolling.

not trolling at all..just telling you my experiences with your lot and i do know quite a few.. but its a pointless conversation as you know im saying the truth , and do i really care if your the only jack thats not figured it out.. no i dont...was just trying to be helpful...

He's not a jack

well he certainly does not watch them, or know many if any at all...

not trolling at all..just telling you my experiences with your lot and i do know quite a few.. but its a pointless conversation as you know im saying the truth , and do i really care if your the only jack thats not figured it out.. no i dont...was just trying to be helpful...

So which view do you reckon I have that most fans don’t have?

And again how many are you talking roughly that you have received those views.

I need to know ballpark figures so I know what it is that you are claiming.

well he certainly does not watch them, or know many if any at all...

And that is based on what exactly?

Wrong on both counts of course but would be interested to see your workings. (After answering the last post that is).

It is becoming more apparent to me that you are trolling but would be interested to see you prove otherwise.

well he certainly does not watch them, or know many if any at all...

And that is based on what exactly?

Wrong on both counts of course but would be interested to see your workings. (After answering the last post that is).

It is becoming more apparent to me that you are trolling but would be interested to see you prove otherwise.

its based on what you say on here... and no , as far as you are concerned i dont need to prove anything.. as i said..i gave you a tip / some advice..you dont want to take it....sums you up...and probably why you spent so much time dressed in a kit watching not playing..

Just seen that Birmingham have applied for catagory 1 status. Not sure how they are affording the 4 million annual costs which Roathy quotes as running costs, but goes to show it is doable within a budget without parachute payments.

Things going on behind the scenes at Swansea which amount to more than whats gone on lately with academy. How you make a 7 million pound loss with sales of 35 million on players is quite a shock.

Just seen that Birmingham have applied for catagory 1 status. Not sure how they are affording the 4 million annual costs which Roathy quotes as running costs, but goes to show it is doable within a budget without parachute payments.

Things going on behind the scenes at Swansea which amount to more than whats gone on lately with academy. How you make a 7 million pound loss with sales of 35 million on players is quite a shock.

they had a £60 million hole a year ago...were dead lucky to get the fees they got for those 2 ,which has probably saved them...

Just seen that Birmingham have applied for catagory 1 status. Not sure how they are affording the 4 million annual costs which Roathy quotes as running costs, but goes to show it is doable within a budget without parachute payments.

Things going on behind the scenes at Swansea which amount to more than whats gone on lately with academy. How you make a 7 million pound loss with sales of 35 million on players is quite a shock.

they had a £60 million hole a year ago...were dead lucky to get the fees they got for those 2 ,which has probably saved them...

Plus academies are not subject to ffp rules and get other benefits as well

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Last season they scraped Championship survival on the last day of the season and history looks to be repeating itself again this season.

well he certainly does not watch them, or know many if any at all...

And that is based on what exactly?

Wrong on both counts of course but would be interested to see your workings. (After answering the last post that is).

It is becoming more apparent to me that you are trolling but would be interested to see you prove otherwise.

its based on what you say on here... and no , as far as you are concerned i dont need to prove anything.. as i said..i gave you a tip / some advice..you dont want to take it....sums you up...and probably why you spent so much time dressed in a kit watching not playing..

So you think I say I don’t know any Swans fans and don’t watch them?

Ok mate. You are trolling as I thought.

Kettle calling the pot black springs to mind, only one troll on here at the moment and that most definitely is you!