montyblue wrote:When you talk about lack of creativity
Just watching the wolves game tonight against sheffield utd how far apart we are from them now 2 or 3 seasons ago when we both went up together.
montyblue wrote:SKIDEMIN
whether you think its not a fair comparison we had a choice also to go certain ways and we chose a different path its not all about money but style of play and players
It was just an observational comment
amd probably looking at wolves a bit envious
But remember us beating them on that wet midweek night game when holliet and gunarrson did the buisness.
montyblue wrote:PEMBROKE ALLAN
We did have a chance at going for chris newton and not many fans wanted harris at the time but neil had an imput in harris and so it continued and players like day cuningham pack flint
we ended up with
instead of perhaps some young foreign players with a eagerness to impress in the english league.
rumpo kid wrote:Clubs like Wolves, Leicester, Sheff U, Brighton etc have Owners with ambition. None of those would have appointed Warnock or Harris, so the gulf is massive in intent as well as finance.
skidemin wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Clubs like Wolves, Leicester, Sheff U, Brighton etc have Owners with ambition. None of those would have appointed Warnock or Harris, so the gulf is massive in intent as well as finance.
im not sure many managers could come in and turn a club like NW has on numerous occasions.. and we were looking relegation in the face.... but if your going to go forward from there.. appoint a young manager and change things you do have to then also give him a half decent budget to change it.... and we havent.. the three that went up last season..Leeds have admitted it was an all or nothing season as failure would have meant sales due to being so close to breaking FFP rules and im sure WBA and Fulham are not far behind in that respect..
bluesince62 wrote:skidemin wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Clubs like Wolves, Leicester, Sheff U, Brighton etc have Owners with ambition. None of those would have appointed Warnock or Harris, so the gulf is massive in intent as well as finance.
im not sure many managers could come in and turn a club like NW has on numerous occasions.. and we were looking relegation in the face.... but if your going to go forward from there.. appoint a young manager and change things you do have to then also give him a half decent budget to change it.... and we havent.. the three that went up last season..Leeds have admitted it was an all or nothing season as failure would have meant sales due to being so close to breaking FFP rules and im sure WBA and Fulham are not far behind in that respect..
You mention WBA and Fulham, I wonder what their fans are thinking? Both lost comfortably at home 1st game too tbf I accepted funds would be at a minimum, before covid,but we definitely need new blood,perhaps 4 more "starters"? Tolgay arslan is without a club after leaving fenerbahce, would be a great addition to midfield,a creative midfielder with an eye for the strikers runs,and great passing ability,then a winger to replace laing and a experienced right back starter too.
skidemin wrote:bluesince62 wrote:skidemin wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Clubs like Wolves, Leicester, Sheff U, Brighton etc have Owners with ambition. None of those would have appointed Warnock or Harris, so the gulf is massive in intent as well as finance.
im not sure many managers could come in and turn a club like NW has on numerous occasions.. and we were looking relegation in the face.... but if your going to go forward from there.. appoint a young manager and change things you do have to then also give him a half decent budget to change it.... and we havent.. the three that went up last season..Leeds have admitted it was an all or nothing season as failure would have meant sales due to being so close to breaking FFP rules and im sure WBA and Fulham are not far behind in that respect..
You mention WBA and Fulham, I wonder what their fans are thinking? Both lost comfortably at home 1st game too tbf I accepted funds would be at a minimum, before covid,but we definitely need new blood,perhaps 4 more "starters"? Tolgay arslan is without a club after leaving fenerbahce, would be a great addition to midfield,a creative midfielder with an eye for the strikers runs,and great passing ability,then a winger to replace laing and a experienced right back starter too.
all 3 promoted clubs will do well to stay there despite spending.. .. and if you spend nothing you do a Norwich.. this year would actually be a good year to go for it...but if funds are not there..cant really complain..
llan bluebird wrote:This isn't just about money its about mindset.
Joe Ralls would cost another team a fair few million (IMO), he would be an asset if you consider yourselves too weak in the middle and you need a little bite but with enough technical ability to play top end championship / bottom premier league.
Malky converted a super technical but slow winger into a central midfield maestro and surrounded him with muscle and legs. Only a few nuggets on here moaned about him not getting stuck in because the majority saw his vision, quality and passing range.
Fast forward to Trollope,he had an ageing Whitts, but he tried to play the Wales possession game without the outlets of pace or the obscene ability of Bale and Rambo. It failed and failed badly.
Warnock offered no apology for his way, we were desperate and in truth prefer it. He bought poorly and wasn't hanging around to let it draw to its natural conclusion.
Harris can get a passer, they are around, they just won't have the legs, strength or consistency most want, or he changes from his boringly predictable possession based game with the opposition waiting for Bennett, Morrison, Nelson, Tutu, Bacuna, Vaulks (he was shocking) to make a sloppy pass or mis-control it. The risks are simply no worth the rewards with out squad and that ain't changing soon.
Its nothing to do with the players, they are what they are. You are asking them to do things they are not great at. The manager or head coach is there to devise a game plan. It's failed.
Sometimes the Warnock teams could have played football but never because of instructions, now the Harris team is over playing football because of instructions, surely there is a happy medium, mix it up a bit.
llan bluebird wrote:This isn't just about money its about mindset.
Joe Ralls would cost another team a fair few million (IMO), he would be an asset if you consider yourselves too weak in the middle and you need a little bite but with enough technical ability to play top end championship / bottom premier league.
Malky converted a super technical but slow winger into a central midfield maestro and surrounded him with muscle and legs. Only a few nuggets on here moaned about him not getting stuck in because the majority saw his vision, quality and passing range.
Fast forward to Trollope,he had an ageing Whitts, but he tried to play the Wales possession game without the outlets of pace or the obscene ability of Bale and Rambo. It failed and failed badly.
Warnock offered no apology for his way, we were desperate and in truth prefer it. He bought poorly and wasn't hanging around to let it draw to its natural conclusion.
Harris can get a passer, they are around, they just won't have the legs, strength or consistency most want, or he changes from his boringly predictable possession based game with the opposition waiting for Bennett, Morrison, Nelson, Tutu, Bacuna, Vaulks (he was shocking) to make a sloppy pass or mis-control it. The risks are simply no worth the rewards with out squad and that ain't changing soon.
Its nothing to do with the players, they are what they are. You are asking them to do things they are not great at. The manager or head coach is there to devise a game plan. It's failed.
Sometimes the Warnock teams could have played football but never because of instructions, now the Harris team is over playing football because of instructions, surely there is a happy medium, mix it up a bit.
llan bluebird wrote:This isn't just about money its about mindset.
Joe Ralls would cost another team a fair few million (IMO), he would be an asset if you consider yourselves too weak in the middle and you need a little bite but with enough technical ability to play top end championship / bottom premier league.
Malky converted a super technical but slow winger into a central midfield maestro and surrounded him with muscle and legs. Only a few nuggets on here moaned about him not getting stuck in because the majority saw his vision, quality and passing range.
Fast forward to Trollope,he had an ageing Whitts, but he tried to play the Wales possession game without the outlets of pace or the obscene ability of Bale and Rambo. It failed and failed badly.
Warnock offered no apology for his way, we were desperate and in truth prefer it. He bought poorly and wasn't hanging around to let it draw to its natural conclusion.
Harris can get a passer, they are around, they just won't have the legs, strength or consistency most want, or he changes from his boringly predictable possession based game with the opposition waiting for Bennett, Morrison, Nelson, Tutu, Bacuna, Vaulks (he was shocking) to make a sloppy pass or mis-control it. The risks are simply no worth the rewards with out squad and that ain't changing soon.
Its nothing to do with the players, they are what they are. You are asking them to do things they are not great at. The manager or head coach is there to devise a game plan. It's failed.
Sometimes the Warnock teams could have played football but never because of instructions, now the Harris team is over playing football because of instructions, surely there is a happy medium, mix it up a bit.
Escott1927 wrote:llan bluebird wrote:This isn't just about money its about mindset.
Joe Ralls would cost another team a fair few million (IMO), he would be an asset if you consider yourselves too weak in the middle and you need a little bite but with enough technical ability to play top end championship / bottom premier league.
Malky converted a super technical but slow winger into a central midfield maestro and surrounded him with muscle and legs. Only a few nuggets on here moaned about him not getting stuck in because the majority saw his vision, quality and passing range.
Fast forward to Trollope,he had an ageing Whitts, but he tried to play the Wales possession game without the outlets of pace or the obscene ability of Bale and Rambo. It failed and failed badly.
Warnock offered no apology for his way, we were desperate and in truth prefer it. He bought poorly and wasn't hanging around to let it draw to its natural conclusion.
Harris can get a passer, they are around, they just won't have the legs, strength or consistency most want, or he changes from his boringly predictable possession based game with the opposition waiting for Bennett, Morrison, Nelson, Tutu, Bacuna, Vaulks (he was shocking) to make a sloppy pass or mis-control it. The risks are simply no worth the rewards with out squad and that ain't changing soon.
Its nothing to do with the players, they are what they are. You are asking them to do things they are not great at. The manager or head coach is there to devise a game plan. It's failed.
Sometimes the Warnock teams could have played football but never because of instructions, now the Harris team is over playing football because of instructions, surely there is a happy medium, mix it up a bit.
Definitely a case of finding a balance between being direct and keeping the ball. It took a while for Harris to achieve that last season so hopefully he can sort it again asap.
skidemin wrote:Escott1927 wrote:llan bluebird wrote:This isn't just about money its about mindset.
Joe Ralls would cost another team a fair few million (IMO), he would be an asset if you consider yourselves too weak in the middle and you need a little bite but with enough technical ability to play top end championship / bottom premier league.
Malky converted a super technical but slow winger into a central midfield maestro and surrounded him with muscle and legs. Only a few nuggets on here moaned about him not getting stuck in because the majority saw his vision, quality and passing range.
Fast forward to Trollope,he had an ageing Whitts, but he tried to play the Wales possession game without the outlets of pace or the obscene ability of Bale and Rambo. It failed and failed badly.
Warnock offered no apology for his way, we were desperate and in truth prefer it. He bought poorly and wasn't hanging around to let it draw to its natural conclusion.
Harris can get a passer, they are around, they just won't have the legs, strength or consistency most want, or he changes from his boringly predictable possession based game with the opposition waiting for Bennett, Morrison, Nelson, Tutu, Bacuna, Vaulks (he was shocking) to make a sloppy pass or mis-control it. The risks are simply no worth the rewards with out squad and that ain't changing soon.
Its nothing to do with the players, they are what they are. You are asking them to do things they are not great at. The manager or head coach is there to devise a game plan. It's failed.
Sometimes the Warnock teams could have played football but never because of instructions, now the Harris team is over playing football because of instructions, surely there is a happy medium, mix it up a bit.
Definitely a case of finding a balance between being direct and keeping the ball. It took a while for Harris to achieve that last season so hopefully he can sort it again asap.
we need a bit more quality somewhere..
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