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Igovernor wrote:Does it really make a difference if it is the restaurants, bars and the onboard entertainment venues, on a ship to the same places not on a ship. People on here rambling on that masks don't work, after many years in the medical field, I can tell you that they do work and this is from experience not any site for or against masks!
And by the way there are tens of thousands out there that are asymptomatic who have not been tested but can still pass it on!
skidemin wrote:to quote you... please take your information from reliable sources..
the article refers to cruise ship examples and has the figures totally back to front.. hard to believe mate... are you deliberately looking for duff stuff to post.. but put cruise ships one side a minute and look for government figures, any government ,anywhere, and you will find your link is wrong about the percentages of people who get this and are asymptomatic.
and...do you really think scaring people with very iffy non facts is stable..?
Welshcake wrote:skidemin wrote:to quote you... please take your information from reliable sources..
the article refers to cruise ship examples and has the figures totally back to front.. hard to believe mate... are you deliberately looking for duff stuff to post.. but put cruise ships one side a minute and look for government figures, any government ,anywhere, and you will find your link is wrong about the percentages of people who get this and are asymptomatic.
and...do you really think scaring people with very iffy non facts is stable..?
Critising the Telegraph and Fullfact (a fact checking charitable organisation) as not reliable sources of information is laughable. Sorry it wasn't a meme!
thomasblue wrote:Living in England and been wearing these in shops and other areas for weeks
It just becomes the norm and to be fair it does feel safer when people are wearing them even if it doesn't make much of a difference to protecting from the virus it certainly helps with peoples anxiety over this issue.
The worst part is when you go to a shop or other place and forget to take the mask then have to go home and get it .
They make very little difference to peoples every day life imo
ealing_ayatollah wrote:thomasblue wrote:Living in England and been wearing these in shops and other areas for weeks
It just becomes the norm and to be fair it does feel safer when people are wearing them even if it doesn't make much of a difference to protecting from the virus it certainly helps with peoples anxiety over this issue.
The worst part is when you go to a shop or other place and forget to take the mask then have to go home and get it .
They make very little difference to peoples every day life imo
Also living in the wrong side of the river I'm in a situation where it has been around for a while now but in terms of feeling safer and getting used to it I've had the exact opposite reaction. I'm far more on edge than I used to be in shops with everyone wearing a mask bordering on getting anxious - I used to have some anxiety issues but I've overcome them a long time ago so it is not a nice feeling seeing those irrational emotions creeping back into dark corners of my mind.
I've tried to put some thought as to why it unsettles me so much. I think there are a few things about it, firstly they strip and an awful lot of emotion out of people's faces, which I find makes it harder to judge what someone may be thinking/feeling and just puts a barrier between people that wasn't there before.
Secondly, I occasionally suffer from poor hearing, it is a condition that comes and goes, but during the lockdown I had an issue with it for a few days and I couldn't understand anything that people were saying to me. I had never realised before, but I am a lot more reliant on lip-reading during these times than I ever thought and the loss of ability to communicate is terrifying. I feel so much for those with more serious hearing impediments, I really do.
But at the heart of it, I think it is just willing compliance of the majority despite any real scientific evidence to support it. As another poster said if the science was clear, we and all other countries would have far stricter regulations not just on the wearing of masks but also the types of masks that can be worn, but we don't as with all the regulations, they seem to be made up on the fly on the roll of a dice, with little thought or attention to actual data put in.
There is just an undertone of manipulation that I can't escape from in this whole sorry saga and it's the simple acceptance without questioning that I think unsettles me the most.
I don't direct that at you personally Thomas by the way or anyone in particular that feels more comfortable with a mask. It is just a very visible sign of a lot of people accepting things as they are when every which way I turn there are things about this whole saga that are not quite right, and I just find that quite unsettling.
davids wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:thomasblue wrote:Living in England and been wearing these in shops and other areas for weeks
It just becomes the norm and to be fair it does feel safer when people are wearing them even if it doesn't make much of a difference to protecting from the virus it certainly helps with peoples anxiety over this issue.
The worst part is when you go to a shop or other place and forget to take the mask then have to go home and get it .
They make very little difference to peoples every day life imo
Also living in the wrong side of the river I'm in a situation where it has been around for a while now but in terms of feeling safer and getting used to it I've had the exact opposite reaction. I'm far more on edge than I used to be in shops with everyone wearing a mask bordering on getting anxious - I used to have some anxiety issues but I've overcome them a long time ago so it is not a nice feeling seeing those irrational emotions creeping back into dark corners of my mind.
I've tried to put some thought as to why it unsettles me so much. I think there are a few things about it, firstly they strip and an awful lot of emotion out of people's faces, which I find makes it harder to judge what someone may be thinking/feeling and just puts a barrier between people that wasn't there before.
Secondly, I occasionally suffer from poor hearing, it is a condition that comes and goes, but during the lockdown I had an issue with it for a few days and I couldn't understand anything that people were saying to me. I had never realised before, but I am a lot more reliant on lip-reading during these times than I ever thought and the loss of ability to communicate is terrifying. I feel so much for those with more serious hearing impediments, I really do.
But at the heart of it, I think it is just willing compliance of the majority despite any real scientific evidence to support it. As another poster said if the science was clear, we and all other countries would have far stricter regulations not just on the wearing of masks but also the types of masks that can be worn, but we don't as with all the regulations, they seem to be made up on the fly on the roll of a dice, with little thought or attention to actual data put in.
There is just an undertone of manipulation that I can't escape from in this whole sorry saga and it's the simple acceptance without questioning that I think unsettles me the most.
I don't direct that at you personally Thomas by the way or anyone in particular that feels more comfortable with a mask. It is just a very visible sign of a lot of people accepting things as they are when every which way I turn there are things about this whole saga that are not quite right, and I just find that quite unsettling.
Excellent post and pretty much sums up my own feelings and those of many others I suspect.
Strange how the WAG say that when masks were not compulsory in shops that they were "following the science" but now they have arbitrarily changed tack. Has the science changed or is it in fact a knee jerk reaction to the current obsession with new infections?
davids wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:thomasblue wrote:Living in England and been wearing these in shops and other areas for weeks
It just becomes the norm and to be fair it does feel safer when people are wearing them even if it doesn't make much of a difference to protecting from the virus it certainly helps with peoples anxiety over this issue.
The worst part is when you go to a shop or other place and forget to take the mask then have to go home and get it .
They make very little difference to peoples every day life imo
Also living in the wrong side of the river I'm in a situation where it has been around for a while now but in terms of feeling safer and getting used to it I've had the exact opposite reaction. I'm far more on edge than I used to be in shops with everyone wearing a mask bordering on getting anxious - I used to have some anxiety issues but I've overcome them a long time ago so it is not a nice feeling seeing those irrational emotions creeping back into dark corners of my mind.
I've tried to put some thought as to why it unsettles me so much. I think there are a few things about it, firstly they strip and an awful lot of emotion out of people's faces, which I find makes it harder to judge what someone may be thinking/feeling and just puts a barrier between people that wasn't there before.
Secondly, I occasionally suffer from poor hearing, it is a condition that comes and goes, but during the lockdown I had an issue with it for a few days and I couldn't understand anything that people were saying to me. I had never realised before, but I am a lot more reliant on lip-reading during these times than I ever thought and the loss of ability to communicate is terrifying. I feel so much for those with more serious hearing impediments, I really do.
But at the heart of it, I think it is just willing compliance of the majority despite any real scientific evidence to support it. As another poster said if the science was clear, we and all other countries would have far stricter regulations not just on the wearing of masks but also the types of masks that can be worn, but we don't as with all the regulations, they seem to be made up on the fly on the roll of a dice, with little thought or attention to actual data put in.
There is just an undertone of manipulation that I can't escape from in this whole sorry saga and it's the simple acceptance without questioning that I think unsettles me the most.
I don't direct that at you personally Thomas by the way or anyone in particular that feels more comfortable with a mask. It is just a very visible sign of a lot of people accepting things as they are when every which way I turn there are things about this whole saga that are not quite right, and I just find that quite unsettling.
Excellent post and pretty much sums up my own feelings and those of many others I suspect.
Strange how the WAG say that when masks were not compulsory in shops that they were "following the science" but now they have arbitrarily changed tack. Has the science changed or is it in fact a knee jerk reaction to the current obsession with new infections?
davids wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:thomasblue wrote:Living in England and been wearing these in shops and other areas for weeks
It just becomes the norm and to be fair it does feel safer when people are wearing them even if it doesn't make much of a difference to protecting from the virus it certainly helps with peoples anxiety over this issue.
The worst part is when you go to a shop or other place and forget to take the mask then have to go home and get it .
They make very little difference to peoples every day life imo
Also living in the wrong side of the river I'm in a situation where it has been around for a while now but in terms of feeling safer and getting used to it I've had the exact opposite reaction. I'm far more on edge than I used to be in shops with everyone wearing a mask bordering on getting anxious - I used to have some anxiety issues but I've overcome them a long time ago so it is not a nice feeling seeing those irrational emotions creeping back into dark corners of my mind.
I've tried to put some thought as to why it unsettles me so much. I think there are a few things about it, firstly they strip and an awful lot of emotion out of people's faces, which I find makes it harder to judge what someone may be thinking/feeling and just puts a barrier between people that wasn't there before.
Secondly, I occasionally suffer from poor hearing, it is a condition that comes and goes, but during the lockdown I had an issue with it for a few days and I couldn't understand anything that people were saying to me. I had never realised before, but I am a lot more reliant on lip-reading during these times than I ever thought and the loss of ability to communicate is terrifying. I feel so much for those with more serious hearing impediments, I really do.
But at the heart of it, I think it is just willing compliance of the majority despite any real scientific evidence to support it. As another poster said if the science was clear, we and all other countries would have far stricter regulations not just on the wearing of masks but also the types of masks that can be worn, but we don't as with all the regulations, they seem to be made up on the fly on the roll of a dice, with little thought or attention to actual data put in.
There is just an undertone of manipulation that I can't escape from in this whole sorry saga and it's the simple acceptance without questioning that I think unsettles me the most.
I don't direct that at you personally Thomas by the way or anyone in particular that feels more comfortable with a mask. It is just a very visible sign of a lot of people accepting things as they are when every which way I turn there are things about this whole saga that are not quite right, and I just find that quite unsettling.
Excellent post and pretty much sums up my own feelings and those of many others I suspect.
Strange how the WAG say that when masks were not compulsory in shops that they were "following the science" but now they have arbitrarily changed tack. Has the science changed or is it in fact a knee jerk reaction to the current obsession with new infections?
Bluebina wrote:davids wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:thomasblue wrote:Living in England and been wearing these in shops and other areas for weeks
It just becomes the norm and to be fair it does feel safer when people are wearing them even if it doesn't make much of a difference to protecting from the virus it certainly helps with peoples anxiety over this issue.
The worst part is when you go to a shop or other place and forget to take the mask then have to go home and get it .
They make very little difference to peoples every day life imo
Also living in the wrong side of the river I'm in a situation where it has been around for a while now but in terms of feeling safer and getting used to it I've had the exact opposite reaction. I'm far more on edge than I used to be in shops with everyone wearing a mask bordering on getting anxious - I used to have some anxiety issues but I've overcome them a long time ago so it is not a nice feeling seeing those irrational emotions creeping back into dark corners of my mind.
I've tried to put some thought as to why it unsettles me so much. I think there are a few things about it, firstly they strip and an awful lot of emotion out of people's faces, which I find makes it harder to judge what someone may be thinking/feeling and just puts a barrier between people that wasn't there before.
Secondly, I occasionally suffer from poor hearing, it is a condition that comes and goes, but during the lockdown I had an issue with it for a few days and I couldn't understand anything that people were saying to me. I had never realised before, but I am a lot more reliant on lip-reading during these times than I ever thought and the loss of ability to communicate is terrifying. I feel so much for those with more serious hearing impediments, I really do.
But at the heart of it, I think it is just willing compliance of the majority despite any real scientific evidence to support it. As another poster said if the science was clear, we and all other countries would have far stricter regulations not just on the wearing of masks but also the types of masks that can be worn, but we don't as with all the regulations, they seem to be made up on the fly on the roll of a dice, with little thought or attention to actual data put in.
There is just an undertone of manipulation that I can't escape from in this whole sorry saga and it's the simple acceptance without questioning that I think unsettles me the most.
I don't direct that at you personally Thomas by the way or anyone in particular that feels more comfortable with a mask. It is just a very visible sign of a lot of people accepting things as they are when every which way I turn there are things about this whole saga that are not quite right, and I just find that quite unsettling.
Excellent post and pretty much sums up my own feelings and those of many others I suspect.
Strange how the WAG say that when masks were not compulsory in shops that they were "following the science" but now they have arbitrarily changed tack. Has the science changed or is it in fact a knee jerk reaction to the current obsession with new infections?
Yes the science has changed over the last few months, Dr Hilary was against them, now he says they may help a bit in close contact indoors, because if someone who has a virus and they are wearing a mask, the spread of the virus via their breath will travel less far.
It's not a game changer but it might make a difference and now the science community as a whole feel the positives outweigh the negatives, we have to wear them in shops anyway so might aswell get used to the idea, I had to wear one four hours to Kos, in the end I forgot about.
pembroke allan wrote:Bluebina wrote:davids wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:thomasblue wrote:Living in England and been wearing these in shops and other areas for weeks
It just becomes the norm and to be fair it does feel safer when people are wearing them even if it doesn't make much of a difference to protecting from the virus it certainly helps with peoples anxiety over this issue.
The worst part is when you go to a shop or other place and forget to take the mask then have to go home and get it .
They make very little difference to peoples every day life imo
Also living in the wrong side of the river I'm in a situation where it has been around for a while now but in terms of feeling safer and getting used to it I've had the exact opposite reaction. I'm far more on edge than I used to be in shops with everyone wearing a mask bordering on getting anxious - I used to have some anxiety issues but I've overcome them a long time ago so it is not a nice feeling seeing those irrational emotions creeping back into dark corners of my mind.
I've tried to put some thought as to why it unsettles me so much. I think there are a few things about it, firstly they strip and an awful lot of emotion out of people's faces, which I find makes it harder to judge what someone may be thinking/feeling and just puts a barrier between people that wasn't there before.
Secondly, I occasionally suffer from poor hearing, it is a condition that comes and goes, but during the lockdown I had an issue with it for a few days and I couldn't understand anything that people were saying to me. I had never realised before, but I am a lot more reliant on lip-reading during these times than I ever thought and the loss of ability to communicate is terrifying. I feel so much for those with more serious hearing impediments, I really do.
But at the heart of it, I think it is just willing compliance of the majority despite any real scientific evidence to support it. As another poster said if the science was clear, we and all other countries would have far stricter regulations not just on the wearing of masks but also the types of masks that can be worn, but we don't as with all the regulations, they seem to be made up on the fly on the roll of a dice, with little thought or attention to actual data put in.
There is just an undertone of manipulation that I can't escape from in this whole sorry saga and it's the simple acceptance without questioning that I think unsettles me the most.
I don't direct that at you personally Thomas by the way or anyone in particular that feels more comfortable with a mask. It is just a very visible sign of a lot of people accepting things as they are when every which way I turn there are things about this whole saga that are not quite right, and I just find that quite unsettling.
Excellent post and pretty much sums up my own feelings and those of many others I suspect.
Strange how the WAG say that when masks were not compulsory in shops that they were "following the science" but now they have arbitrarily changed tack. Has the science changed or is it in fact a knee jerk reaction to the current obsession with new infections?
Yes the science has changed over the last few months, Dr Hilary was against them, now he says they may help a bit in close contact indoors, because if someone who has a virus and they are wearing a mask, the spread of the virus via their breath will travel less far.
It's not a game changer but it might make a difference and now the science community as a whole feel the positives outweigh the negatives, we have to wear them in shops anyway so might aswell get used to the idea, I had to wear one four hours to Kos, in the end I forgot about.
Ok if healthy can forget about it being on but there are lots people who cannot wear a mask for length of time! And as been seen people are not very friendly towards people if not wearing mask in places you should be....
Bluebina wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bluebina wrote:davids wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:thomasblue wrote:Living in England and been wearing these in shops and other areas for weeks
It just becomes the norm and to be fair it does feel safer when people are wearing them even if it doesn't make much of a difference to protecting from the virus it certainly helps with peoples anxiety over this issue.
The worst part is when you go to a shop or other place and forget to take the mask then have to go home and get it .
They make very little difference to peoples every day life imo
Also living in the wrong side of the river I'm in a situation where it has been around for a while now but in terms of feeling safer and getting used to it I've had the exact opposite reaction. I'm far more on edge than I used to be in shops with everyone wearing a mask bordering on getting anxious - I used to have some anxiety issues but I've overcome them a long time ago so it is not a nice feeling seeing those irrational emotions creeping back into dark corners of my mind.
I've tried to put some thought as to why it unsettles me so much. I think there are a few things about it, firstly they strip and an awful lot of emotion out of people's faces, which I find makes it harder to judge what someone may be thinking/feeling and just puts a barrier between people that wasn't there before.
Secondly, I occasionally suffer from poor hearing, it is a condition that comes and goes, but during the lockdown I had an issue with it for a few days and I couldn't understand anything that people were saying to me. I had never realised before, but I am a lot more reliant on lip-reading during these times than I ever thought and the loss of ability to communicate is terrifying. I feel so much for those with more serious hearing impediments, I really do.
But at the heart of it, I think it is just willing compliance of the majority despite any real scientific evidence to support it. As another poster said if the science was clear, we and all other countries would have far stricter regulations not just on the wearing of masks but also the types of masks that can be worn, but we don't as with all the regulations, they seem to be made up on the fly on the roll of a dice, with little thought or attention to actual data put in.
There is just an undertone of manipulation that I can't escape from in this whole sorry saga and it's the simple acceptance without questioning that I think unsettles me the most.
I don't direct that at you personally Thomas by the way or anyone in particular that feels more comfortable with a mask. It is just a very visible sign of a lot of people accepting things as they are when every which way I turn there are things about this whole saga that are not quite right, and I just find that quite unsettling.
Excellent post and pretty much sums up my own feelings and those of many others I suspect.
Strange how the WAG say that when masks were not compulsory in shops that they were "following the science" but now they have arbitrarily changed tack. Has the science changed or is it in fact a knee jerk reaction to the current obsession with new infections?
Yes the science has changed over the last few months, Dr Hilary was against them, now he says they may help a bit in close contact indoors, because if someone who has a virus and they are wearing a mask, the spread of the virus via their breath will travel less far.
It's not a game changer but it might make a difference and now the science community as a whole feel the positives outweigh the negatives, we have to wear them in shops anyway so might aswell get used to the idea, I had to wear one four hours to Kos, in the end I forgot about.
Ok if healthy can forget about it being on but there are lots people who cannot wear a mask for length of time! And as been seen people are not very friendly towards people if not wearing mask in places you should be....
Society is split between young and Healthy people and Old and people in poor health, if people are that ill that they can't wear a mask they shouldn't be shopping, we need to start protecting these people while letting the others keep the country going, we can't afford another lockdown.
pembroke allan wrote:In Cardiff shopping cant wear a mask but was not stopped maybe its because I was with partner? IKEA and B&Q on my list for later today wonder how get on there..
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Bit of light relief
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk- ... sk-on-bus/
"Authorities have confirmed a snake is not a valid face-covering after a man was spotted with one wrapped around his head on a bus."