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Postby Forever Blue » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:24 pm

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Re: Interesting

Postby WestCoastBlue » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:40 pm

I get the idea behind this but it's a bit of a non starter. If you do the same for numerous other causes of deaths you get near identical results.

Percentage of the UK that has not died of _______

Cancer
165,000 deaths annually, UK population 66.65million

99.975% Survival rate

Automobile
1,800 deaths annually

99.99997% Survival rate

Coronary Heart Disease
74,000 deaths annually

99.9989% Survival rate

Suicide
7000 deaths annually

99.9998% Survival rate

Your numbers have actually either over estimated the Covid deaths or underestimated the population as their survival rate is too low.
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Re: Interesting

Postby skidemin » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:06 am

WestCoastBlue wrote:I get the idea behind this but it's a bit of a non starter. If you do the same for numerous other causes of deaths you get near identical results.

Percentage of the UK that has not died of _______

Cancer
165,000 deaths annually, UK population 66.65million

99.975% Survival rate

Automobile
1,800 deaths annually

99.99997% Survival rate

Coronary Heart Disease
74,000 deaths annually

99.9989% Survival rate

Suicide
7000 deaths annually

99.9998% Survival rate

Your numbers have actually either over estimated the Covid deaths or underestimated the population as their survival rate is too low.



no doubt many of those death numbers will increase this year and next...
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Re: Interesting

Postby NPCF3 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:40 am

This graphic is interesting... Replace "TERRORISM" with "COVID-19"


Actual causes of death vs. Googled vs. media coverage

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Re: Interesting

Postby skidemin » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:45 am

NPCF3 wrote:This graphic is interesting... Replace "TERRORISM" with "COVID-19"


Actual causes of death vs. Googled vs. media coverage

Image




would be very interesting to see a current graphic mate.. not that anyone cares.. which is the really puzzling thing..
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Re: Interesting

Postby WestCoastBlue » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:41 am

skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:I get the idea behind this but it's a bit of a non starter. If you do the same for numerous other causes of deaths you get near identical results.

Percentage of the UK that has not died of _______

Cancer
165,000 deaths annually, UK population 66.65million

99.975% Survival rate

Automobile
1,800 deaths annually

99.99997% Survival rate

Coronary Heart Disease
74,000 deaths annually

99.9989% Survival rate

Suicide
7000 deaths annually

99.9998% Survival rate

Your numbers have actually either over estimated the Covid deaths or underestimated the population as their survival rate is too low.



no doubt many of those death numbers will increase this year and next...


Of course they will. I’m not trying to claim otherwise. I just think it’s bit of a crap statistic to try get a point across. Cancer is, as far as I’m aware, the highest killer in the UK yet the results of it are practically negligible from a statistical view.
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Re: Interesting

Postby skidemin » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:03 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:I get the idea behind this but it's a bit of a non starter. If you do the same for numerous other causes of deaths you get near identical results.

Percentage of the UK that has not died of _______

Cancer
165,000 deaths annually, UK population 66.65million

99.975% Survival rate

Automobile
1,800 deaths annually

99.99997% Survival rate

Coronary Heart Disease
74,000 deaths annually

99.9989% Survival rate

Suicide
7000 deaths annually

99.9998% Survival rate

Your numbers have actually either over estimated the Covid deaths or underestimated the population as their survival rate is too low.



no doubt many of those death numbers will increase this year and next...


Of course they will. I’m not trying to claim otherwise. I just think it’s bit of a crap statistic to try get a point across. Cancer is, as far as I’m aware, the highest killer in the UK yet the results of it are practically negligible from a statistical view.



honestly mate...?
if the whole covid discusion had been a grown up one id probably agree.. but it hasnt been...and its refreshing to see graphs and stats making these points as opposed to the scaremonger stats, graphs and figures that were worse...
im not sure that cancer killing 4 times as many of us as covid is neglible either and god knows how many that is likely to rise to..
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Re: Interesting

Postby WestCoastBlue » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:24 pm

skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:I get the idea behind this but it's a bit of a non starter. If you do the same for numerous other causes of deaths you get near identical results.

Percentage of the UK that has not died of _______

Cancer
165,000 deaths annually, UK population 66.65million

99.975% Survival rate

Automobile
1,800 deaths annually

99.99997% Survival rate

Coronary Heart Disease
74,000 deaths annually

99.9989% Survival rate

Suicide
7000 deaths annually

99.9998% Survival rate

Your numbers have actually either over estimated the Covid deaths or underestimated the population as their survival rate is too low.



no doubt many of those death numbers will increase this year and next...


Of course they will. I’m not trying to claim otherwise. I just think it’s bit of a crap statistic to try get a point across. Cancer is, as far as I’m aware, the highest killer in the UK yet the results of it are practically negligible from a statistical view.



honestly mate...?
if the whole covid discusion had been a grown up one id probably agree.. but it hasnt been...and its refreshing to see graphs and stats making these points as opposed to the scaremonger stats, graphs and figures that were worse...
im not sure that cancer killing 4 times as many of us as covid is neglible either and god knows how many that is likely to rise to..


“Negligible from a statistical view” cmon mate I’m obviously not trying to imply cancer is not an issue but over the course of a year your chance of dying from cancer is 0.0025%. Every single death from every possible cause in the UK in 2019 would give you a 0.0091% chance of dying.
That’s why I think it’s a crap stat because trying to frame Covid as a non issue completely falls apart when you compare it to literally anything else because the difference ends up being only a few ten thousandths of a percentage.
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Re: Interesting

Postby skidemin » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:47 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:I get the idea behind this but it's a bit of a non starter. If you do the same for numerous other causes of deaths you get near identical results.

Percentage of the UK that has not died of _______

Cancer
165,000 deaths annually, UK population 66.65million

99.975% Survival rate

Automobile
1,800 deaths annually

99.99997% Survival rate

Coronary Heart Disease
74,000 deaths annually

99.9989% Survival rate

Suicide
7000 deaths annually

99.9998% Survival rate

Your numbers have actually either over estimated the Covid deaths or underestimated the population as their survival rate is too low.



no doubt many of those death numbers will increase this year and next...


Of course they will. I’m not trying to claim otherwise. I just think it’s bit of a crap statistic to try get a point across. Cancer is, as far as I’m aware, the highest killer in the UK yet the results of it are practically negligible from a statistical view.



honestly mate...?
if the whole covid discusion had been a grown up one id probably agree.. but it hasnt been...and its refreshing to see graphs and stats making these points as opposed to the scaremonger stats, graphs and figures that were worse...
im not sure that cancer killing 4 times as many of us as covid is neglible either and god knows how many that is likely to rise to..


“Negligible from a statistical view” cmon mate I’m obviously not trying to imply cancer is not an issue but over the course of a year your chance of dying from cancer is 0.0025%. Every single death from every possible cause in the UK in 2019 would give you a 0.0091% chance of dying.
That’s why I think it’s a crap stat because trying to frame Covid as a non issue completely falls apart when you compare it to literally anything else because the difference ends up being only a few ten thousandths of a percentage.



frame covid? its called putting it into perspective even if the percentage is slightly out... there has been no perspective for however many months... and tbh its about time there was .
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Re: Interesting

Postby TopCat CCFC » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:22 pm

Let's turn back time - And Belgium who could not be bothered at the start of all this with their " type of death " -

Let's put it down to Covid - I did say at the time about their reporting ;) :thumbup:
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