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Re: FANS RETURN TO STADIUMS? IS IT WORTH THE RISK?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:08 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:If you are vulnerable with a health condition stay home.

If not, crack on and live your life, work and play.



Pretty much right, but don't go anywhere near your grannies or anyone vulnerable until they can get a vaccine.


Exactly

Re: FANS RETURN TO STADIUMS? IS IT WORTH THE RISK?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:11 pm

Big Hill Blue wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:If you are vulnerable with a health condition stay home.

If not, crack on and live your life, work and play.



Pretty much right, but don't go anywhere near your grannies or anyone vulnerable until they can get a vaccine.


Exactly



Sometime never can be a long time in respect of a vaccine being found... :old:

Re: FANS RETURN TO STADIUMS? IS IT WORTH THE RISK?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:13 pm

Crayfish wrote:I would suggest nervous ninnies lock themselves in their houses for the next six months and let the rest of us get on with life. I


Let’s hope you a numerous members of your family succumb to this virus.

Then come back and tell us how you feel

Re: FANS RETURN TO STADIUMS? IS IT WORTH THE RISK?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:09 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:If you are vulnerable with a health condition stay home.

If not, crack on and live your life, work and play.



Pretty much right, but don't go anywhere near your grannies or anyone vulnerable until they can get a vaccine.



That's easy to say, my mother is classed as vulnerable, and has been indoors pretty much since rd week in February! ! And now is too scared to go out,she lives alone basically for the next how long? Her mental well being is already in deterioration ,what you are suggesting means she has to spend a chunk of what life she may have left, couped up at home,shitting herself,when she should be making the most of it,as she did pre covid? We have looked after her through this,taking every precaution suggested,she gets " let out" for a week or two,but now has to be "locked away again" (her words,not mine) a vaccine could be a long time coming. :old: :bluebird:

Re: FANS RETURN TO STADIUMS? IS IT WORTH THE RISK?

Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:10 am

bluesince62 wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Big Hill Blue wrote:If you are vulnerable with a health condition stay home.

If not, crack on and live your life, work and play.



Pretty much right, but don't go anywhere near your grannies or anyone vulnerable until they can get a vaccine.



That's easy to say, my mother is classed as vulnerable, and has been indoors pretty much since rd week in February! ! And now is too scared to go out,she lives alone basically for the next how long? Her mental well being is already in deterioration ,what you are suggesting means she has to spend a chunk of what life she may have left, couped up at home,shitting herself,when she should be making the most of it,as she did pre covid? We have looked after her through this,taking every precaution suggested,she gets " let out" for a week or two,but now has to be "locked away again" (her words,not mine) a vaccine could be a long time coming. :old: :bluebird:



You simply cannot sit around twiddling your fingers waiting for something that may not appear to come along.... seen it said that people shouldn't do things until a vaccine is found! Only problem is how long do you wait for something that as not been developed yet? Could die of old age before vaccine is found..... if one is found that is. :old:

Re: FANS RETURN TO STADIUMS? IS IT WORTH THE RISK?

Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:49 am

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The Health Secretary pleaded with the public to 'come together to tackle this virus' amid a spike in cases
194 Covid-19 patients were admitted to hospitals across England on Tuesday, up from 84 eight days ago
More than 3,000 people a day were being admitted to NHS hospitals during the peak of the first wave in April
Analysis suggests, at the current trend, it would take around three weeks for daily admissions to top 2,000

Matt Hancock today warned the number of coronavirus patients being admitted to hospital is doubling every eight days as he revealed ministers need to 'take action' because the outbreak is accelerating.

Government statistics show 194 newly-infected Covid-19 patients were admitted to hospitals in England on Tuesday, compared to just 84 eight days ago and just 38 on August 30. It means 154 patients are needing NHS care each day, on average — triple the figure of 52 on September 1.

More than 3,000 people each day were being admitted to NHS hospitals during the peak of the first wave in April. Analysis suggests, at the current trend, it would take little more than three weeks for daily admissions to top 2,000.

And a top infectious disease expert today warned that it is 'plausible' the doubling rate of every eight days could continue. Professor Paul Hunter, of University of East Anglia, said admissions could surpass the daily rate seen in March and April in just a month's time.

Cases have spiked over the same time frame, with another 3,395 infections recorded yesterday — a 33 per cent rise in a week. Deaths are also starting to creep up, with the average number of patients dying each day now standing at 14 — up from seven a fortnight ago.

More aggressive measures, including a national 'circuit breaker', are on the cards to stop the growth of the outbreak. The move could come as soon as next week, with pubs, restaurants and hotels facing being shut to prevent 'significant' casualties.

More than 1,000 patients were dying during the darkest days of Britain's crisis, when 3,000 new hospital admissions were being recorded each day.

But experts insist a second wave of Covid-19 in Britain would not be nearly as bad as the first. One reason for this prediction is the fact that we now know so much more about the virus.

It comes as hospitals have been warned they must clear beds and brace themselves for a rise in coronavirus patients in the next few weeks.

MPs in London have been informed of plans to increase 'step down' beds in the capital, it was reported today. The beds will be made available to coronavirus patients who no longer need any hospital treatment, but can recover from the disease while isolating.

Hospitals cancelled thousands of surgeries like hip operations and cancer treatment to free up space for infected patients at the peak of the crisis, causing the NHS to have a record-high waiting list for routine treatment. The drive to free up beds in the first wave also saw coronavirus-infected patients discharged into care homes, where the virus was allowed to spread.

Analysis suggests, at the current trend, it would take little more than three weeks for daily admissions to top 2,000
The Health Secretary pleaded with the public to 'come together to tackle this virus' and admitted that a new national crackdown could be on the cards because it 'isn't just cases' that are increasing


The Health Secretary pleaded with the public to 'come together to tackle this virus' and admitted that a new national crackdown could be on the cards because it 'isn't just cases' that are increasing
MATT HANCOCK ADMITS A NATIONAL CRACKDOWN IS ON THE CARDS

Matt Hancock today admitted that a new national crackdown is on the cards as he warned infections are 'accelerating across the country' and more people will die.

The Health Secretary pleaded with the public to 'come together to tackle this virus' as ministers consider imposing draconian restrictions for a fortnight in a 'circuit break' to stop the spread.

The move could come as soon as next week, with pubs, restaurants and hotels facing being shut to prevent 'significant' casualties.

In a round of interviews this morning, Mr Hancock said a national lockdown was the 'last line of defence'. But he warned that it was a 'big moment for the country' and the situation was 'deadly serious', with cases now doubling every eight days. Unless the 'Rule of Six' restrictions worked more would have to be done, he warned.

'The virus is clearly accelerating across the country,' Mr Hancock told Sky News. 'We have got to take the necessary action to keep people safe. We will do what it takes to keep people safe.'

It comes as 10million people are told to follow new lockdown rules as Lancashire is placed under curfew alongside the North East.

The Government's chief science and medical officers have warned that another serious outbreak of coronavirus could lead to a significant number of deaths by the end of next month.

In an interview with BBC Breakfast this morning, Mr Hancock warned that it was 'absolutely critical' that people continued to follow the basic rules with regard to coronavirus.

He said: 'We have seen an acceleration in the number of cases over the last couple of weeks and we’ve also sadly seen that the number of people hospitalised with coronavirus is doubling about every eight days, so we do need to take action.'

The government's most-up-to-date data shows 194 Covid-19 patients in England were admitted to hospital on September 15 — at an average of 154 a day over the past week.

For comparison, the rolling seven-day average had dipped to as low as 45 on August 22, when just 25 hospital admissions were recorded across the country.

At the height of the pandemic at the start of April, the average number of daily admissions was 2,700. Britain's lockdown and tough social distancing measures allowed the rate to plummet to below 1,000 by the start of May.

Department of Health chiefs say data is not updated every day by all four nations and the figures are not comparable. For instance, Wales include suspected Covid-19 patients while all the other nations include only confirmed cases.

Professor Hunter said that the spike in admissions is 'predictable' and 'expected', given the spike in cases over the past few weeks.

He added: 'It's worrying that it's going up but the big concern is how many hospital admissions we will end up seeing.

'I suspect it will carry on... but I suspect we won't see it doubling quite as rapidly because, often, these things start off quite fast and then they tail off after a little while.

'It doesn't always tail off, but ultimately it does because if it carries on doubling [at that speed], then soon every single person on the planet will be on hospital. So it has to tail off eventually.

'The issue is when does it start tailing off? I have no way of knowing.'

Professor Hunter added that it was 'plausible' England's hospital admissions could get up the levels seen in April but admitted he think it's probably won't happen.

He said: 'The evidence is older people are still, sort of, social distancing themselves more than other groups, and they're the group most likely to get hospitalised. There's also a smaller pool to get infected and be hospitalised than we saw back in March and April.

'But it may well continue, and it's plausible that England could well in a month's time be surpassing that figure. But I hope not.'

It comes as hospitals have been warned they must clear beds and brace themselves for a rise in coronavirus patients in the next few weeks. One MP who has seen the plans told the Telegraph: 'I was told hospitals have reserved beds for people coming out of hospital who need somewhere to re-cover.

'At the start of lockdown they were having to send people back to care homes or back to other facilities, with dire consequences, so they've booked places in respite care or empty care homes, so people will go out of hospital, but won't return to their normal place of living.'

Another source said that councils have also been asked to find extra beds

It comes amid more testing chaos yesterday as Baroness Dido Harding, head of NHS Test and Trace, revealed that demand for coronavirus tests is currently up to four times greater than the system's capacity.

Re: FANS RETURN TO STADIUMS? IS IT WORTH THE RISK?

Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:10 am

Having known one person who died of the virus in April along with a good friend who was in hospital for a couple of weeks on oxygen; both who were relatively fit before contracting it, I won't be attending for a good while yet. If, however you have little fear of contracting the virus and possibly bringing it home to your family, carry on and I hope you enjoy your days out.

Re: FANS RETURN TO STADIUMS? IS IT WORTH THE RISK?

Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:42 am

Igovernor wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:Ohhhh lord really ? No increase in hospital admissions basically zero deaths. Covid testing is now said to be flawed and that’s why cases are rising. People needlessly in lockdown, suicides are up,businesses are going bust, thousands are loosing jobs, other critical illnesses are going un diagnosed.
And you ask is it worth the risk ? Can’t you see the divide the bull shit they put out ? You can’t meet up in more than six but you can if you are hunting. You can’t meet up in a pub with friends only go with your household but you will be there with other households as long as they ain’t friends do I need go on ?
One thing the government have done is to make people so scared they can’t think rationally or with common sense or to think for themselves. All you can see is the government are keeping you safe.
WELL THEY FOOKING AINT THEY ARE TAKING THE PISS AND SLOWLY TAKING YOUR FREEDOM AWAY BUT YOU CARRY ON BELIEVING THEY ARE KEEPING YOU SAFE.
Love Nukes


Just thought you might like to know the latest news

Dr Robin Howe, of Public Health Wales, said that community transmission means older people are being infected in Caerphilly and Rhondda Cynon Taf (RCT).

Hospitalisations are already starting to rise in Wales with the latest figures from Public Health Wales, from Sunday, September 13, showing that there are now 53 people in hospital with Covid-19 and five in intensive care

The Betsi Cadwaladr health board in North Wales and the Cwm Taf health board, which covers Merthyr, RCT and Bridgend, have the highest numbers of people in hospital with the virus.

[color=#FF0000]On Thursday, the deaths of three people who had coronavirus were reported in Wales - the first deaths from the virus this month.[/


And here you said it in a nutshell. Three people died with The Coronavirus it doesn’t say they died of Coronavirus. Tests are flawed so someone can have it and not show symptoms but if they die it’s counted as Covid19. It’s bullshit and a handful of people in hospital does not warrant a lockdown or these draconian measures.
Jesus Flu season comes about and our hospitals have many more cases of admissions or even the Nora virus. Do we go on a lockdown. And I bet you now more people have committed suicide than the whole true covid deaths that was solely down to
Covid
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A further 168 new lab-confirmed cases of the virus were also reported on, Thursday, September 17, which means the weekly infection rate for Wales continues to rise, even though it is a smaller jump than the 199 new cases in the previous 24 hours.

In RCT the weekly rate of infections has hit 83.7 cases per 100,000 people, just behind Caerphilly, which has 83.9 cases per 100,000.

The rate in Merthyr has jumped again and is now 46.4 compared to 39.8 on Wednesday, while in Newport, the seven-day rate is 39.4 compared to 47.8 cases per 100,000 on Wednesday.