Would you boo taking the knee if we were back in stadiums

Very impressive from blm to be considered Marxist, communist, and fascist at the same time.

I'm sure the 'no politics in football' brigade will be up in arms next month when the players wear poppies and have a minutes silence. The only thing they'll actually be angry about is if someone doesn't (like James mcclean)

Communism/Fascism two cheeks of the same shite covered arse.

I don’t know why or if you wear a poppy but I don’t wear one for political reasons, in fact I don’t know what the politics of the poppy are.

Jock, are you saying you don't wear a poppy because it has political reasons for being or that you do wear a poppy because of what it means to you personally?

The latter mate. I wear it to support servicemen’s charities and spare a thought for what our forefathers went through to defeat real Fascists.

It looks like you've answered the political bit right there.

No it should be stopped now

If the Legion insisted that Remembrance Day was every weekend they’d be given short shrift. These clowns are at it every match and it should be stopped..

I will walk out and never return if my fellow city fan were to boo black players standing up for their rights to live equally.

Two questions...

Firstly, name just one right in this country that a black person doesn't have equality with a white person has. I mean legally and institutionally here not anecdotal.

Secondly, why was the Black Lives Matter movement, a movement that was pushed by a disgustingly opportunist, openly Marxist and hugely hypocritical organisation allowed to usurp the Kick It Out organisation?

Kick it Out, has a 25 year history of tackling racism and hate through football on the international stage.

Kick it Out achieves a huge amount not by tearing down statues, burning and looting but by building grass roots movements that unite communities rather than divide and most importantly are NON POLITICAL.

If we want to continue to re enforce a message of equality, here at home and use the influence of our football teams to spread that message across the world (a message I'm sure 99% of the us all agree with) then why use an overtly political movement to do that when there is already a well established, respected non-political equivalent that can do the same job?

Probably the best post I've seen on this forum for a long time

Very impressive from blm to be considered Marxist, communist, and fascist at the same time.

I'm sure the 'no politics in football' brigade will be up in arms next month when the players wear poppies and have a minutes silence. The only thing they'll actually be angry about is if someone doesn't (like James mcclean)

Communism/Fascism two cheeks of the same shite covered arse.

I don’t know why or if you wear a poppy but I don’t wear one for political reasons, in fact I don’t know what the politics of the poppy are.

Jock, are you saying you don't wear a poppy because it has political reasons for being or that you do wear a poppy because of what it means to you personally?

The latter mate. I wear it to support servicemen’s charities and spare a thought for what our forefathers went through to defeat real Fascists.

It looks like you've answered the political bit right there.

the Germans were not fascists in WW1 and my grandfather actually fought the Bolsheviks during the Russian intervention. not that the second war was on fascism either, they just happened to be fascists..

Yes.

Some of you still don't get it?

If Racism wasn't so rife in our society, organisations such as BLM wouldn't exist.

Open your eyes, " We are a Racist society" and it needs to change.

To say that all lives matter, is stating the obvious and is just trying to deny that we have a real problem, that needs addressing.

complete crap mate you might be a racist or just a brain washed fool, name me some racist people please ?

BLM are a black supremist racist organisation your correct some in our society are racists and you are supporting these absolute clowns

I will walk out and never return if my fellow city fan were to boo black players standing up for their rights to live equally.

Two questions...

Firstly, name just one right in this country that a black person doesn't have equality with a white person has. I mean legally and institutionally here not anecdotal.

Secondly, why was the Black Lives Matter movement, a movement that was pushed by a disgustingly opportunist, openly Marxist and hugely hypocritical organisation allowed to usurp the Kick It Out organisation?

Kick it Out, has a 25 year history of tackling racism and hate through football on the international stage.

Kick it Out achieves a huge amount not by tearing down statues, burning and looting but by building grass roots movements that unite communities rather than divide and most importantly are NON POLITICAL.

If we want to continue to re enforce a message of equality, here at home and use the influence of our football teams to spread that message across the world (a message I'm sure 99% of the us all agree with) then why use an overtly political movement to do that when there is already a well established, respected non-political equivalent that can do the same job?

Probably the best post I've seen on this forum for a long time

BLM and the disgusting racist critical race theory any fool that supports blm and equity are fools.

This devisive maoist criminal organisation is a real threat to all people.

I'd do it through a megaphone

No , and would try and miss the event as I think its overkill, feel for the players who feel obligated to do it to avoid upsetting folk or being judged , I wonder if it will stop when fans return anyways , and its longevity is only down to empty stadiums. Life and freedoms is about free choices and one should not be judged by individual choices isn't that about black lives movement, free choices and freedoms not control mechanisms??

Very impressive from blm to be considered Marxist, communist, and fascist at the same time.

I'm sure the 'no politics in football' brigade will be up in arms next month when the players wear poppies and have a minutes silence. The only thing they'll actually be angry about is if someone doesn't (like James mcclean)

Communism/Fascism two cheeks of the same shite covered arse.

I don’t know why or if you wear a poppy but I don’t wear one for political reasons, in fact I don’t know what the politics of the poppy are.

Jock, are you saying you don't wear a poppy because it has political reasons for being or that you do wear a poppy because of what it means to you personally?

The latter mate. I wear it to support servicemen’s charities and spare a thought for what our forefathers went through to defeat real Fascists.

It looks like you've answered the political bit right there.

the Germans were not fascists in WW1 and my grandfather actually fought the Bolsheviks during the Russian intervention. not that the second war was on fascism either, they just happened to be fascists..

First was an arms race and bout greed
Second was probably the only truly just war. Doesn’t lessen what they went through, we owe them.

No , and would try and miss the event as I think its overkill, feel for the players who feel obligated to do it to avoid upsetting folk or being judged , I wonder if it will stop when fans return anyways , and its longevity is only down to empty stadiums. Life and freedoms is about free choices and one should not be judged by individual choices isn't that about black lives movement, free choices and freedoms not control mechanisms??

if you feel some of the players are doing it out of obligation { which i do } bit of push back will be doing them a big favour.. and its my right and freedom to boo them just as much as you think its theirs to offend me...i was here 10 years ago and god willing will be in 10 years from now , they are just passing through if they want to kneel they should go home and do it..

Very impressive from blm to be considered Marxist, communist, and fascist at the same time.

Josh how many times do we have to do this?

There is no Communism that hasn't evolved out of Marxism and Facism and Marxism both share ideological roots.

Not only did we do this conversation here:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=215640&start=120

But even in that thread I referred you to an early thread here

https://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/view ... lit=+nazis

And I've even gone to the effort of giving you a comprehensive list of texts to read and a link to a free PDF for each text for you to go and read the core texts that outline how these ideologies overlap and the opposing view here

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=217583&p=2232681#p2232681

To quite Joe Biden "C'Mon Man..."

Very impressive from blm to be considered Marxist, communist, and fascist at the same time.

Josh how many times do we have to do this?

There is no Communism that hasn't evolved out of Marxism and Facism and Marxism both share ideological roots.

Not only did we do this conversation here:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=215640&start=120

But even in that thread I referred you to an early thread here

https://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/view ... lit=+nazis

And I've even gone to the effort of giving you a comprehensive list of texts to read and a link to a free PDF for each text for you to go and read the core texts that outline how these ideologies overlap and the opposing view here

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=217583&p=2232681#p2232681

To quite Joe Biden "C'Mon Man..."

Well the very point of Marxist version of socialism was to lead to communism so it's no surprise there.

Facism in Italy came from a socialist (don't know if that's Marxist socialism) and the facist group in Britian was founded by a Labour socialist. It's no surprise really as the facist stereotype of a Jew is virtually the same as a socialist stereotype of a capitalist.

Ultimately people who are authourtiarin in nature are drawn to authratrian ideologies.

As the BLM founders have described themselves as trained Marxist it's clear they shouldn't be trusted. Up until a week or two ago they had a a statement in there website saying they wanted to get rid of the "western prescribed necualr family" in favour of what essentially added up to a communist commune. (A) a stable family is not just a western idea. (B) coming from a good family unit with both parents together is the biggest social economic indicater for success. That reason alone is enough to not support BLM.

This is a football forum!

Very impressive from blm to be considered Marxist, communist, and fascist at the same time.

Josh how many times do we have to do this?

There is no Communism that hasn't evolved out of Marxism and Facism and Marxism both share ideological roots.

Not only did we do this conversation here:

https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopi ... &start=120

But even in that thread I referred you to an early thread here

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=209852&hilit=+nazis

And I've even gone to the effort of giving you a comprehensive list of texts to read and a link to a free PDF for each text for you to go and read the core texts that outline how these ideologies overlap and the opposing view here

https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopi ... 1#p2232681

To quite Joe Biden "C'Mon Man..."

If you evolve from something you are no longer that thing. Man evolved from apes but you wouldn't go around calling all monkeys humans would you?

They are similar but not similar enough to be used interchangeably.

This is a football forum!

So post on the football related topics. Plenty of them and the clue was in the title.

Sorry to be narky but if other people want to talk about something beyond football with other football fans and you don't want to why bother posting?

Just don't read it and post on the football related topics.

This is a football forum!

you could start a few football threads. or contribute to the ones already up..
never understood these posts tbh. if people start interesting football threads that get replies they will push the others off the board..quite a few football threads started today and very little interest in them ????????

Very impressive from blm to be considered Marxist, communist, and fascist at the same time.

Josh how many times do we have to do this?

There is no Communism that hasn't evolved out of Marxism and Facism and Marxism both share ideological roots.

Not only did we do this conversation here:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=215640&start=120

But even in that thread I referred you to an early thread here

https://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/view ... lit=+nazis

And I've even gone to the effort of giving you a comprehensive list of texts to read and a link to a free PDF for each text for you to go and read the core texts that outline how these ideologies overlap and the opposing view here

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=217583&p=2232681#p2232681

To quite Joe Biden "C'Mon Man..."

If you evolve from something you are no longer that thing. Man evolved from apes but you wouldn't go around calling all monkeys humans would you?

They are similar but not similar enough to be used interchangeably.

Your right, the death toll of facism was appx 6M the death toll of communism is 100M plus. There is no communism of note that is not grounded in Marxism whether it be Maosism, Lenism, Titoism or any other variation.

Plenty of nuanced differences but always the same fundamental building blocks and same tragic output.

It is just some variants of the shared ideologies are more horrific than others by many orders of magnitude.

So how about we just agree to lump them into statist authoritarianism, agree that is bad, very, very bad and something that shouldn't be encouraged and then we can discuss the finer nuances and different reasons why all permutations of statist authoritarianism are bad in there own right and how they differ after that?

Facism in Italy came from a socialist (don't know if that's Marxist socialism)

Your right and while you wouldn't call Facism a direct descendent of Marxism like you would communism they are massively intertwined.

In essence, Giovanni Gentile who was basically the author of Facsim (ghost wrote for Mussolini) was influenced by Marx (he actually wrote a paper in Italian that outlined the Philosophy of Marx in his 20s) but more importantly was heavily influences by Hegel who was a massive influence on both Marx and Hitler in their respective ideologies.

So yeah your pretty much spot on

Seems quiet a resounding majority are not in support of taking the knee. I believe this would be echoed by every club supporter in the league.

Seems quiet a resounding majority are not in support of taking the knee. I believe this would be echoed by every club supporter in the league.

yes mate and i dont remember anyone booing kick it out, rainbow laces or anything else... which should tell those still buying into this kneeling thing that something isnt right about BLM..

I agree. One kneel once would have been more that enough. Not every week sometimes more than once a week. It’s embarrassing. And most players look embarrassed and awkward doing it.

Seems quiet a resounding majority are not in support of taking the knee. I believe this would be echoed by every club supporter in the league.

yes mate and i dont remember anyone booing kick it out, rainbow laces or anything else... which should tell those still buying into this kneeling thing that something isnt right about BLM..

I Have mixed race children and mixed race grandchildren and family members from all communities,
They have no support in my family in fact the consensus is that this divides people which surely is its real purpose
as a time we need to be more together than ever.
constantly looking at peoples race and dividing people into groups is completely immoral as far as I am concerned.

Marxism is win at any cost even if it destroys the very peoples it pretends to defend.

Be good to your neighbours family and friends ignore these activists who have destruction as a policy.

Seems quiet a resounding majority are not in support of taking the knee. I believe this would be echoed by every club supporter in the league.

yes mate and i dont remember anyone booing kick it out, rainbow laces or anything else... which should tell those still buying into this kneeling thing that something isnt right about BLM..

I Have mixed race children and mixed race grandchildren and family members from all communities,
They have no support in my family in fact the consensus is that this divides people which surely is its real purpose
as a time we need to be more together than ever.
constantly looking at peoples race and dividing people into groups is completely immoral as far as I am concerned.

Marxism is win at any cost even if it destroys the very peoples it pretends to defend.

Be good to your neighbours family and friends ignore these activists who have destruction as a policy.

BLM do not speak for the majority of BAME people.

Facism in Italy came from a socialist (don't know if that's Marxist socialism)

Your right and while you wouldn't call Facism a direct descendent of Marxism like you would communism they are massively intertwined.

In essence, Giovanni Gentile who was basically the author of Facsim (ghost wrote for Mussolini) was influenced by Marx (he actually wrote a paper in Italian that outlined the Philosophy of Marx in his 20s) but more importantly was heavily influences by Hegel who was a massive influence on both Marx and Hitler in their respective ideologies.

So yeah your pretty much spot on

Josh is completely indoctrinated in the whole absurd extreme left philosophy, it’s a complete waste of time debating politics with an ideologue.

Very impressive from blm to be considered Marxist, communist, and fascist at the same time.

Josh how many times do we have to do this?

There is no Communism that hasn't evolved out of Marxism and Facism and Marxism both share ideological roots.

Not only did we do this conversation here:

https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopi ... &start=120

But even in that thread I referred you to an early thread here

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=209852&hilit=+nazis

And I've even gone to the effort of giving you a comprehensive list of texts to read and a link to a free PDF for each text for you to go and read the core texts that outline how these ideologies overlap and the opposing view here

https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopi ... 1#p2232681

To quite Joe Biden "C'Mon Man..."

If you evolve from something you are no longer that thing. Man evolved from apes but you wouldn't go around calling all monkeys humans would you?

They are similar but not similar enough to be used interchangeably.

Your right, the death toll of facism was appx 6M the death toll of communism is 100M plus. There is no communism of note that is not grounded in Marxism whether it be Maosism, Lenism, Titoism or any other variation.

Plenty of nuanced differences but always the same fundamental building blocks and same tragic output.

It is just some variants of the shared ideologies are more horrific than others by many orders of magnitude.

So how about we just agree to lump them into statist authoritarianism, agree that is bad, very, very bad and something that shouldn't be encouraged and then we can discuss the finer nuances and different reasons why all permutations of statist authoritarianism are bad in there own right and how they differ after that?

The nazis killed more than 6 million in the Holocaust alone so that figures wrong. If you were to then count people dying to stop fascism then that figure goes through the roof.

Then obviously you'd have to account for populous under each regime and for the length each one had. If we're just talking about 'modern' fascism e.g. The nazis compared to the ussr and China then obviously communism would be greater.
Are you counting a Russian dying at stalingrad as a communist or fascist death? and vice versa.

You seem to forget that my opinion is that they Marxism and communism are different things and shouldn't be used interchangeably. You yourself are also saying they're different when you say one evolves from the other or one is grounded in the other.

"So how about we just agree to lump them". Sorry but people on here get annoyed at me for 'wanting to group everything' so I'm afraid I can't do that as it'd upset them.

There is no communism of note that is not grounded in Marxism whether it be Maosism, Lenism, Titoism or any other variation.

"You seem to forget that my opinion is that they Marxism and communism are different things and shouldn't be used interchangeably. You yourself are also saying they're different when you say one evolves from the other or one is grounded in the other.

I chose my words carefully. The handful of Marxists ideologies that have not led to Commuism are both a very small minority and also too diluted to truly be called true Marxism (like Christian Marxism for example)

So how about we just agree to lump them". Sorry but people on here get annoyed at me for 'wanting to group everything' so I'm afraid I can't do that as it'd upset them.

Very good of you to take peoples feeling into consideration. However, I'm happy to lump all of the above together and face the wrath.

All murderous and genocidal statist authoritarian regimes are bad. Very, very, very bad.

There is no communism of note that is not grounded in Marxism whether it be Maosism, Lenism, Titoism or any other variation.

"You seem to forget that my opinion is that they Marxism and communism are different things and shouldn't be used interchangeably. You yourself are also saying they're different when you say one evolves from the other or one is grounded in the other.

I chose my words carefully. The handful of Marxists ideologies that have not led to Commuism are both a very small minority and also too diluted to truly be called true Marxism (like Christian Marxism for example)

So how about we just agree to lump them". Sorry but people on here get annoyed at me for 'wanting to group everything' so I'm afraid I can't do that as it'd upset them.

Very good of you to take peoples feeling into consideration. However, I'm happy to lump all of the above together and face the wrath.

All murderous and genocidal statist authoritarian regimes are bad. Very, very, very bad.

What about socialism? They both have similar means and goals etc so why don't we use them interchangeably? (Even the socialistic bits that this government have)

"All murderous and genocidal statist authoritarian regimes are bad. Very, very, very bad." Like what happened abroad under Churchill then.

If you’ve voted yes you need to grow up.

Booing anyone for something that they want to do themselves is pathetic. If you can’t support the side without booing them because of your small mindedness, stay the f*ck home and watch it on the telly.