OT- No vaccine no sick pay

That’s gonna be a thing apparently.

I know of a few companies who are implementing this rule.

Thoughts?

I think it’s the future to be fair .

Which companies ??? - Fire Away

A care home and two opticians that I have been told about personally.

So what are their findings then - by having a jab ??

Basically have been told that the current sick pay they get they won’t get for Covid should they refuse the vaccination.

All three are due vaccines pretty soon.

Really - Pretty soon ?? Are you aware of the system in order for the jabs ???
PM - Has said you can not be forced to take the jab - How does that work then ??
Some jobs today .....You don't get paid for the 1st 3 days you go on the sick - Will they change the rules now ???
I've had a jab .... I'm now Covid - Free ??? ( Or am I ??? )

Yep of course. They are all classed as health providers.

2 x opticians, 1 x care worker.

Time now to tell you a few facts - Which could help YOU - FAMILY + FRIENDS
Last Week 4 NHS workers who had that 1st Vaccine -( 2 - 3 weeks earlier ) - ALL 4 now are on the Sick / Self Isolating
Any Vaccine does not give you 100% Protection
But Never mind - Have the JAB - Keep Your Job- Book your Holiday ....And Live Happier Ever After

So are you suggesting people have the vaccine even if they are against it just to prevent friction with their employer and to ensure they can still fly away on holiday?

They'll soon change their mind once they realise no-one will want to work for them

Same with the one or two airlines that have said people will need a vaccine if they want to fly with them. A few months of huge losses and they'll do a U-turn

I think you haven't thought that out properly - Why would they change their minds - with all the unemployment after this virus, vaccinated unemployed people will be more than ready to move into jobs currently vacant and if the current prediction of a 70%+ take up of the vaccine (which I consider will in hindsight prove to be a very conservative estimate) is correct, surely there will be more than enough vaccinated travellers ready to fill the airline/holiday companies bookings for them to make a profit without the non-vaccinated as customers?

They'll soon change their mind once they realise no-one will want to work for them

Same with the one or two airlines that have said people will need a vaccine if they want to fly with them. A few months of huge losses and they'll do a U-turn

I think you haven't thought that out properly - Why would they change their minds - with all the unemployment after this virus, vaccinated unemployed people will be more than ready to move into jobs currently vacant and if the current prediction of a 70%+ take up of the vaccine (which I consider will in hindsight prove to be a very conservative estimate) is correct, surely there will be more than enough vaccinated travellers ready to fill the airline/holiday companies bookings for them to make a profit without the non-vaccinated as customers?

At end day companies can try and impose restrictions for flying with them or employ someone as long as they've been vaccinated? But they will have to run risk of being sued for discrimination on grounds of religion disability and several other reasons why people cannot have vaccine? In simple terms companies cannot do it there are laws against it... yes can try prevent normal people getting on plane without vaccine but garauntee be thousands of money grabbing people using their seasons for not having vaccine to sue airline or any other company that refuses them
employment or travel .... hence the op subject the guy changed his tune when realised the implications of trying to enforce his rule.....old:

Not 1st time he as tried to ride roughshod over workers rights? Last time it was holiday pay had to go to court to get his way in end!
This time hes backed down because he knows he could be breaking numerous employment and equality laws if he carried out his threat? As they say any publicity is good publicity no matter how bad it is.

I don’t like it.

Sadly, workers will have less protection now out of the EU.

It’s going to be uncertain times for all even when (if) we get out of this pandemic.

Wouldn't say they are less protected as there's been changes to employment law that both benefits employers and employees just depends on situation... but this block comes across as a pillock and publicity seeking t×at! he knew he couldn't just sack people for not having vaccine so now he's changed his tune more publicity.

My worry is employer’s changing people’s terms of employment. Employees won’t have a lot of Choice as they return to work.

I’m not sure what has happened with furlough and people being laid off.

Scary times.

He wanted to change conditions of contract in original statement but was quickly told he would face litigation from several areas if did so? He changed it to new staff and others...... furloughed staff are ok unless made redundant but obviously entitled to redundancy pay if eligible! But agree scary times for people and work .....god knows how many jobs be home permanently when this us over will take until summer 22 for tourism/hospitality to start to recover whats left of it...

Thanks for straightening that out, Allan; the very banal 'Doyley1927' is the latest of an increasing line of (I'll be polite) 'returners' using a different name to those used previously. Up to speed on many things but yet claims to be a 'newbie' (admitted to me otherwise but denied it to another Moderator) and clearly on some weird mission to comment on every thread with or (mainly) without substance and/or fresh content

Seemed to take delight in reopening the route for the 'busted flush' to start his antics again, too...

Why are you picking on me Sven?

I PM’d you.

This lets again be polite strange doyley 1927 pm”d me
I dont reply to strange strangers

I’ve always been polite.

Apparently ‘everyone’ thinks I’m not a stranger.

No! We just think you're strange! No r on the end.

Why were people picking on Doyley.

I thought he was class

That’s gonna be a thing apparently.

I know of a few companies who are implementing this rule.

Thoughts?

I think it’s the future to be fair .

Which companies ??? - Fire Away

A care home and two opticians that I have been told about personally.

So what are their findings then - by having a jab ??

Basically have been told that the current sick pay they get they won’t get for Covid should they refuse the vaccination.

All three are due vaccines pretty soon.

Really - Pretty soon ?? Are you aware of the system in order for the jabs ???
PM - Has said you can not be forced to take the jab - How does that work then ??
Some jobs today .....You don't get paid for the 1st 3 days you go on the sick - Will they change the rules now ???
I've had a jab .... I'm now Covid - Free ??? ( Or am I ??? )

Yep of course. They are all classed as health providers.

2 x opticians, 1 x care worker.

Time now to tell you a few facts - Which could help YOU - FAMILY + FRIENDS
Last Week 4 NHS workers who had that 1st Vaccine -( 2 - 3 weeks earlier ) - ALL 4 now are on the Sick / Self Isolating
Any Vaccine does not give you 100% Protection
But Never mind - Have the JAB - Keep Your Job- Book your Holiday ....And Live Happier Ever After

They may have become very ill without vaccine. Can’t tell for sure but it’s a possibility.

Once the majority get vaccinated then hospital admissions and deaths will drop. It’s not going to be the end of the virus.

What a class OP this was.

This Doyley seems like a master debater.

That’s gonna be a thing apparently.

I know of a few companies who are implementing this rule.

Thoughts?

I think it’s the future to be fair .

Which companies ??? - Fire Away

A care home and two opticians that I have been told about personally.

So what are their findings then - by having a jab ??

Basically have been told that the current sick pay they get they won’t get for Covid should they refuse the vaccination.

All three are due vaccines pretty soon.

Really - Pretty soon ?? Are you aware of the system in order for the jabs ???
PM - Has said you can not be forced to take the jab - How does that work then ??
Some jobs today .....You don't get paid for the 1st 3 days you go on the sick - Will they change the rules now ???
I've had a jab .... I'm now Covid - Free ??? ( Or am I ??? )

Yep of course. They are all classed as health providers.

2 x opticians, 1 x care worker.

Time now to tell you a few facts - Which could help YOU - FAMILY + FRIENDS
Last Week 4 NHS workers who had that 1st Vaccine -( 2 - 3 weeks earlier ) - ALL 4 now are on the Sick / Self Isolating
Any Vaccine does not give you 100% Protection
But Never mind - Have the JAB - Keep Your Job- Book your Holiday ....And Live Happier Ever After

They may have become very ill without vaccine. Can’t tell for sure but it’s a possibility.

Once the majority get vaccinated then hospital admissions and deaths will drop. It’s not going to be the end of the virus.

What a class OP this was.

This Doyley seems like a master debater.

You could learn a few things off him, Neil...

That’s gonna be a thing apparently.

I know of a few companies who are implementing this rule.

Thoughts?

I think it’s the future to be fair .

Which companies ??? - Fire Away

A care home and two opticians that I have been told about personally.

So what are their findings then - by having a jab ??

Basically have been told that the current sick pay they get they won’t get for Covid should they refuse the vaccination.

All three are due vaccines pretty soon.

Really - Pretty soon ?? Are you aware of the system in order for the jabs ???
PM - Has said you can not be forced to take the jab - How does that work then ??
Some jobs today .....You don't get paid for the 1st 3 days you go on the sick - Will they change the rules now ???
I've had a jab .... I'm now Covid - Free ??? ( Or am I ??? )

Yep of course. They are all classed as health providers.

2 x opticians, 1 x care worker.

Time now to tell you a few facts - Which could help YOU - FAMILY + FRIENDS
Last Week 4 NHS workers who had that 1st Vaccine -( 2 - 3 weeks earlier ) - ALL 4 now are on the Sick / Self Isolating
Any Vaccine does not give you 100% Protection
But Never mind - Have the JAB - Keep Your Job- Book your Holiday ....And Live Happier Ever After

They may have become very ill without vaccine. Can’t tell for sure but it’s a possibility.

Once the majority get vaccinated then hospital admissions and deaths will drop. It’s not going to be the end of the virus.

What a class OP this was.

This Doyley seems like a master debater.

well if some are to be believed...that Doyley and Roath are one and the same...pre covid i think he held the longest thread record ..not sure about being a master { de } bator though .forty seven pages of being wrong..

That’s gonna be a thing apparently.

I know of a few companies who are implementing this rule.

Thoughts?

I think it’s the future to be fair .

Which companies ??? - Fire Away

A care home and two opticians that I have been told about personally.

So what are their findings then - by having a jab ??

Basically have been told that the current sick pay they get they won’t get for Covid should they refuse the vaccination.

All three are due vaccines pretty soon.

Really - Pretty soon ?? Are you aware of the system in order for the jabs ???
PM - Has said you can not be forced to take the jab - How does that work then ??
Some jobs today .....You don't get paid for the 1st 3 days you go on the sick - Will they change the rules now ???
I've had a jab .... I'm now Covid - Free ??? ( Or am I ??? )

Yep of course. They are all classed as health providers.

2 x opticians, 1 x care worker.

Time now to tell you a few facts - Which could help YOU - FAMILY + FRIENDS
Last Week 4 NHS workers who had that 1st Vaccine -( 2 - 3 weeks earlier ) - ALL 4 now are on the Sick / Self Isolating
Any Vaccine does not give you 100% Protection
But Never mind - Have the JAB - Keep Your Job- Book your Holiday ....And Live Happier Ever After

They may have become very ill without vaccine. Can’t tell for sure but it’s a possibility.

Once the majority get vaccinated then hospital admissions and deaths will drop. It’s not going to be the end of the virus.

What a class OP this was.

This Doyley seems like a master debater.

You could learn a few things off him, Neil...

Couldn’t we all?

That’s gonna be a thing apparently.

I know of a few companies who are implementing this rule.

Thoughts?

I think it’s the future to be fair .

Which companies ??? - Fire Away

A care home and two opticians that I have been told about personally.

So what are their findings then - by having a jab ??

Basically have been told that the current sick pay they get they won’t get for Covid should they refuse the vaccination.

All three are due vaccines pretty soon.

Really - Pretty soon ?? Are you aware of the system in order for the jabs ???
PM - Has said you can not be forced to take the jab - How does that work then ??
Some jobs today .....You don't get paid for the 1st 3 days you go on the sick - Will they change the rules now ???
I've had a jab .... I'm now Covid - Free ??? ( Or am I ??? )

Yep of course. They are all classed as health providers.

2 x opticians, 1 x care worker.

Time now to tell you a few facts - Which could help YOU - FAMILY + FRIENDS
Last Week 4 NHS workers who had that 1st Vaccine -( 2 - 3 weeks earlier ) - ALL 4 now are on the Sick / Self Isolating
Any Vaccine does not give you 100% Protection
But Never mind - Have the JAB - Keep Your Job- Book your Holiday ....And Live Happier Ever After

They may have become very ill without vaccine. Can’t tell for sure but it’s a possibility.

Once the majority get vaccinated then hospital admissions and deaths will drop. It’s not going to be the end of the virus.

What a class OP this was.

This Doyley seems like a master debater.

well if some are to be believed...that Doyley and Roath are one and the same...pre covid i think he held the longest thread record ..not sure about being a master { de } bator though .forty seven pages of being wrong..

Has anyone seen them in the same room?