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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby Bakedalasker » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:44 pm

maccydee wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.


I’d rather be black going for a job at the BBC or Sky because evidently that helps with the application process.


As you know Neil I have been contracting with most of the Government departments over the last decade and I can tell you that most of them are Black. From my experience I do believe being Black is more of an advantage than white. Just going on what I saw.
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Postby bluesince62 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:57 pm

Forever Blue wrote:My Father and Mother :thumbright:


Annis you are spot on,coming from a mixed race family myself,you should 100% be proud,no matter what!! I have been brought up to respect others for who they are,not their colour.

Now we can see what you will look like in around 20 years or so mate!
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby Forever Blue » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:12 pm

bluesince62 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:My Father and Mother :thumbright:


Annis you are spot on,coming from a mixed race family myself,you should 100% be proud,no matter what!! I have been brought up to respect others for who they are,not their colour.

Now we can see what you will look like in around 20 years or so mate!


Without a doubt Paul, your right we should and are very proud of our backgrounds :thumbright: :thumbright:

Very happy and proud to be any where near like My Father was :thumbright: :thumbright:
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby Jock » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:42 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.


Josh,

My Father was very dark and Egyptian, I am very very proud of my heritage and would not change anything :thumbright: :thumbright:

How ever you are born, you should feel proud and never ever let anyone make you feel different :thumbright: :thumbright: :thumbright:


If the UK was what Josh is describing then your dad would have got nowhere when he first came to the country Annis.

Why is it I get the impression the likes of Josh just look at Black and White BUT not merit.




Correct Ian, If you work hard in the Uk you will succeed, My Father did not have a penny to his name, brought up in Tiger Bay and very proud of his background and I am very proud of My Father and My background, would never want to change it.


For me its not Black & White, its how a person is with their attitude end off. Everyone is the same and respected the same way by me if they also give me the same respect :thumbright: :thumbright:

Dr Martin Luther King wanted a world where a man was judged on the content of his character not the colour of his skin. BLMs ethos is the direct opposite of that. It’s been proven what social class you’re born into is the biggest factor in where you end up. So the kids of an Asian doctor or a black barrister have a head start over a working class white kid living in a council estate with no father present.
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Postby RV Casual » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:09 pm

maccydee wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.


I’d rather be black going for a job at the BBC or Sky because evidently that helps with the application process.


Interesting question.

In the circumstances Josh put up I would choose black aswell, purely based on the job question

Coming from BAME Community definitly gives you an edge in many job applications now. Unconcientious bias doesn't seem to apply with many businesses putting pressure on HR and your at an advantage so Black for that.

Dealing with police, being sentenced, no preference. The law is the law, you break it you get punished, stay under the radar and youl be fine.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby RV Casual » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:11 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
maccydee wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.


I’d rather be black going for a job at the BBC or Sky because evidently that helps with the application process.


As you know Neil I have been contracting with most of the Government departments over the last decade and I can tell you that most of them are Black. From my experience I do believe being Black is more of an advantage than white. Just going on what I saw.


Same here mate. In my line of work I deal with all gov departments and you are not wrong.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby RV Casual » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:14 pm

Forever Blue wrote:My Father and Mother :thumbright:


Lovely photos of your parents Annis.

Your dad and others like him are an inspiration on what can be achieved.

Respect.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby Forever Blue » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:04 am

RV Casual wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:My Father and Mother :thumbright:


Lovely photos of your parents Annis.

Your dad and others like him are an inspiration on what can be achieved.

Respect.




Thank you Stephen, both from very poor backgrounds, My Father later on served 5 yrs in World War 11 for Britain. Really appreciate your words and yes it does show that if you really want to succeed in life you can, no matter where you have come from :thumbright: :thumbright:
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby robjohn » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:04 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.



Josh still lives in the 70s the police are wankers to everyone, I have had more issues with the police
than any of my family who are not white as for job opportunities where is your evidence its complete bullshit,
your living in the past this is not the reality of life anymore.
Working class white boys are demonised and doing the worst in this current society,
White middle aged men are persona non grata.

The liberal left are liars they have brought race into every facet of life that is racism in its purest form,
if you identify yourself by your colour you are racist.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby robjohn » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:08 am

RV Casual wrote:
maccydee wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.


I’d rather be black going for a job at the BBC or Sky because evidently that helps with the application process.


Interesting question.

In the circumstances Josh put up I would choose black aswell, purely based on the job question

Coming from BAME Community definitly gives you an edge in many job applications now. Unconcientious bias doesn't seem to apply with many businesses putting pressure on HR and your at an advantage so Black for that.

Dealing with police, being sentenced, no preference. The law is the law, you break it you get punished, stay under the radar and youl be fine.



Sorry Buddy Josh is now part of a cult and his religion doesn't allow reason or reality
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:50 am

Sven wrote:anyone with an ounce of sense will see that being 'black' is likely to be involved in being the victim of prejudice


So you think that people are being prejudiced against because of their skin colour?

The definition of racism: 'Discrimination or prejudice based on race.'

It seems pretty clear cut that you believe racism exists in the UK (and to quite an extent at that), so now you can go and tell that to the posters on here that say it doesn't.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:13 am

robjohn wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.



Josh still lives in the 70s the police are wankers to everyone, I have had more issues with the police
than any of my family who are not white as for job opportunities where is your evidence its complete bullshit,
your living in the past this is not the reality of life anymore.
Working class white boys are demonised and doing the worst in this current society,
White middle aged men are persona non grata.

The liberal left are liars they have brought race into every facet of life that is racism in its purest form,
if you identify yourself by your colour you are racist.

Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.

As for the job bit, a 2009 study showed people with 'white' sounding names were 74% more likely to receive a positive response to an application than one with a 'black' sounding name.

I suppose it must be the far right cult that you're in that's lying.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby RV Casual » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:56 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
robjohn wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.



Josh still lives in the 70s the police are wankers to everyone, I have had more issues with the police
than any of my family who are not white as for job opportunities where is your evidence its complete bullshit,
your living in the past this is not the reality of life anymore.
Working class white boys are demonised and doing the worst in this current society,
White middle aged men are persona non grata.

The liberal left are liars they have brought race into every facet of life that is racism in its purest form,
if you identify yourself by your colour you are racist.

Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.

As for the job bit, a 2009 study showed people with 'white' sounding names were 74% more likely to receive a positive response to an application than one with a 'black' sounding name.

I suppose it must be the far right cult that you're in that's lying.


White and black sounding names, crikey, who's the racist here?

You are stuck in the 70s mate. You just gave him fuel to the accusation right there.

You can make stats read what you want them to but my guess would be that 74% is actually probably correct, but then given we are in the United Kingdom then it's hardly a surprise as I would imagine the majority of applicants have British/Western names.

One would imagine that if you were in Asia/Africa or any other continent that figure would be reversed the other way and it would be those with 'white sounding names' (your words) that had the less favourable uptake, given they no doubt account for less of the applications.

It's not rocket science.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:12 pm

RV Casual wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
robjohn wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.



Josh still lives in the 70s the police are wankers to everyone, I have had more issues with the police
than any of my family who are not white as for job opportunities where is your evidence its complete bullshit,
your living in the past this is not the reality of life anymore.
Working class white boys are demonised and doing the worst in this current society,
White middle aged men are persona non grata.

The liberal left are liars they have brought race into every facet of life that is racism in its purest form,
if you identify yourself by your colour you are racist.

Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.

As for the job bit, a 2009 study showed people with 'white' sounding names were 74% more likely to receive a positive response to an application than one with a 'black' sounding name.

I suppose it must be the far right cult that you're in that's lying.


White and black sounding names, crikey, who's the racist here?

You are stuck in the 70s mate. You just gave him fuel to the accusation right there.

You can make stats read what you want them to but my guess would be that 74% is actually probably correct, but then given we are in the United Kingdom then it's hardly a surprise as I would imagine the majority of applicants have British/Western names.

One would imagine that if you were in Asia/Africa or any other continent that figure would be reversed the other way and it would be those with 'white sounding names' (your words) that had the less favourable uptake, given they no doubt account for less of the applications.

It's not rocket science.

Apparently it is rocket science to some. It was a study, the people had the same cvs with the name being the only difference. Of those applications the ones with 'white' sounding names had 74% more positive responses than 'black' sounding names. The use of the term white and black sounding names was also their term, not mine.

Also, saying you have a 'black' sounding name isn't racist. If you had a meeting with someone called Muhammad you'd expect them to be black, if you had a meeting with a nigel you'd expect them to be white (and please don't respond to this solely with examples of white people called Muhammad and black people called Nigel, they were just examples).
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby The Cobra » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:33 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
RV Casual wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
robjohn wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.



Josh still lives in the 70s the police are wankers to everyone, I have had more issues with the police
than any of my family who are not white as for job opportunities where is your evidence its complete bullshit,
your living in the past this is not the reality of life anymore.
Working class white boys are demonised and doing the worst in this current society,
White middle aged men are persona non grata.

The liberal left are liars they have brought race into every facet of life that is racism in its purest form,
if you identify yourself by your colour you are racist.

Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.

As for the job bit, a 2009 study showed people with 'white' sounding names were 74% more likely to receive a positive response to an application than one with a 'black' sounding name.

I suppose it must be the far right cult that you're in that's lying.


White and black sounding names, crikey, who's the racist here?

You are stuck in the 70s mate. You just gave him fuel to the accusation right there.

You can make stats read what you want them to but my guess would be that 74% is actually probably correct, but then given we are in the United Kingdom then it's hardly a surprise as I would imagine the majority of applicants have British/Western names.

One would imagine that if you were in Asia/Africa or any other continent that figure would be reversed the other way and it would be those with 'white sounding names' (your words) that had the less favourable uptake, given they no doubt account for less of the applications.

It's not rocket science.

Apparently it is rocket science to some. It was a study, the people had the same cvs with the name being the only difference. Of those applications the ones with 'white' sounding names had 74% more positive responses than 'black' sounding names. The use of the term white and black sounding names was also their term, not mine.

Also, saying you have a 'black' sounding name isn't racist. If you had a meeting with someone called Muhammad you'd expect them to be black, if you had a meeting with a nigel you'd expect them to be white (and please don't respond to this solely with examples of white people called Muhammad and black people called Nigel, they were just examples).


Josh I think you need to seek some medical help, reading between the lines you got big problem, seriously get some treatment now before its too late mate.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby RV Casual » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:39 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
RV Casual wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
robjohn wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.



Josh still lives in the 70s the police are wankers to everyone, I have had more issues with the police
than any of my family who are not white as for job opportunities where is your evidence its complete bullshit,
your living in the past this is not the reality of life anymore.
Working class white boys are demonised and doing the worst in this current society,
White middle aged men are persona non grata.

The liberal left are liars they have brought race into every facet of life that is racism in its purest form,
if you identify yourself by your colour you are racist.

Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.

As for the job bit, a 2009 study showed people with 'white' sounding names were 74% more likely to receive a positive response to an application than one with a 'black' sounding name.

I suppose it must be the far right cult that you're in that's lying.


White and black sounding names, crikey, who's the racist here?

You are stuck in the 70s mate. You just gave him fuel to the accusation right there.

You can make stats read what you want them to but my guess would be that 74% is actually probably correct, but then given we are in the United Kingdom then it's hardly a surprise as I would imagine the majority of applicants have British/Western names.

One would imagine that if you were in Asia/Africa or any other continent that figure would be reversed the other way and it would be those with 'white sounding names' (your words) that had the less favourable uptake, given they no doubt account for less of the applications.

It's not rocket science.

Apparently it is rocket science to some. It was a study, the people had the same cvs with the name being the only difference. Of those applications the ones with 'white' sounding names had 74% more positive responses than 'black' sounding names. The use of the term white and black sounding names was also their term, not mine.

Also, saying you have a 'black' sounding name isn't racist. If you had a meeting with someone called Muhammad you'd expect them to be black, if you had a meeting with a nigel you'd expect them to be white (and please don't respond to this solely with examples of white people called Muhammad and black people called Nigel, they were just examples).



I'll keep this simple for you

If Mohammed (black)
Nigel A (White)
Nigel B (White)
Nigel C (White)

All go for a job and all have the same CV then the percentage chance of the person getting the job being white will be 75%.

If I go to my local Chineese Takeaway tonight and do a 'study' that finds that 80% of people working there are of chineese origin what time shall I meet you outside with your placard to demonstrate
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby skidemin » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:49 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
RV Casual wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
robjohn wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.



Josh still lives in the 70s the police are wankers to everyone, I have had more issues with the police
than any of my family who are not white as for job opportunities where is your evidence its complete bullshit,
your living in the past this is not the reality of life anymore.
Working class white boys are demonised and doing the worst in this current society,
White middle aged men are persona non grata.

The liberal left are liars they have brought race into every facet of life that is racism in its purest form,
if you identify yourself by your colour you are racist.

Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.

As for the job bit, a 2009 study showed people with 'white' sounding names were 74% more likely to receive a positive response to an application than one with a 'black' sounding name.

I suppose it must be the far right cult that you're in that's lying.


White and black sounding names, crikey, who's the racist here?

You are stuck in the 70s mate. You just gave him fuel to the accusation right there.

You can make stats read what you want them to but my guess would be that 74% is actually probably correct, but then given we are in the United Kingdom then it's hardly a surprise as I would imagine the majority of applicants have British/Western names.

One would imagine that if you were in Asia/Africa or any other continent that figure would be reversed the other way and it would be those with 'white sounding names' (your words) that had the less favourable uptake, given they no doubt account for less of the applications.

It's not rocket science.

Apparently it is rocket science to some. It was a study, the people had the same cvs with the name being the only difference. Of those applications the ones with 'white' sounding names had 74% more positive responses than 'black' sounding names. The use of the term white and black sounding names was also their term, not mine.

Also, saying you have a 'black' sounding name isn't racist. If you had a meeting with someone called Muhammad you'd expect them to be black, if you had a meeting with a nigel you'd expect them to be white (and please don't respond to this solely with examples of white people called Muhammad and black people called Nigel, they were just examples).



any idea how common Williams , Johnson , Smith , Lewis . Thomas etc etc etc are ?
wonder what group this survey would put someone called Josh Murphy in...
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby rumpo kid » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:46 pm

All communities tend to gravitate toward their own.. nothing new in that. Dressing it up as racism is at the least, naive. And for some, it’s a career..
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:07 pm

RV Casual wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
RV Casual wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
robjohn wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.



Josh still lives in the 70s the police are wankers to everyone, I have had more issues with the police
than any of my family who are not white as for job opportunities where is your evidence its complete bullshit,
your living in the past this is not the reality of life anymore.
Working class white boys are demonised and doing the worst in this current society,
White middle aged men are persona non grata.

The liberal left are liars they have brought race into every facet of life that is racism in its purest form,
if you identify yourself by your colour you are racist.

Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.

As for the job bit, a 2009 study showed people with 'white' sounding names were 74% more likely to receive a positive response to an application than one with a 'black' sounding name.

I suppose it must be the far right cult that you're in that's lying.


White and black sounding names, crikey, who's the racist here?

You are stuck in the 70s mate. You just gave him fuel to the accusation right there.

You can make stats read what you want them to but my guess would be that 74% is actually probably correct, but then given we are in the United Kingdom then it's hardly a surprise as I would imagine the majority of applicants have British/Western names.

One would imagine that if you were in Asia/Africa or any other continent that figure would be reversed the other way and it would be those with 'white sounding names' (your words) that had the less favourable uptake, given they no doubt account for less of the applications.

It's not rocket science.

Apparently it is rocket science to some. It was a study, the people had the same cvs with the name being the only difference. Of those applications the ones with 'white' sounding names had 74% more positive responses than 'black' sounding names. The use of the term white and black sounding names was also their term, not mine.

Also, saying you have a 'black' sounding name isn't racist. If you had a meeting with someone called Muhammad you'd expect them to be black, if you had a meeting with a nigel you'd expect them to be white (and please don't respond to this solely with examples of white people called Muhammad and black people called Nigel, they were just examples).



I'll keep this simple for you

If Mohammed (black)
Nigel A (White)
Nigel B (White)
Nigel C (White)

All go for a job and all have the same CV then the percentage chance of the person getting the job being white will be 75%.

If I go to my local Chineese Takeaway tonight and do a 'study' that finds that 80% of people working there are of chineese origin what time shall I meet you outside with your placard to demonstrate

I hope you're trolling because I can't believe someone can be this thick.

"We made fictitious applications to nearly 3,200 real jobs, randomly varying applicants’ minority background, but holding their skills, qualifications and work experience constant. On average, nearly one in four applicants from the majority group (24%) received a callback from employers. The job search effort was less successful for ethnic minorities who, despite having identical CVs and cover letters, needed to send 60% more applications in order to receive as many callbacks as the majority group"
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:11 pm

The Cobra wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
RV Casual wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
robjohn wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.



Josh still lives in the 70s the police are wankers to everyone, I have had more issues with the police
than any of my family who are not white as for job opportunities where is your evidence its complete bullshit,
your living in the past this is not the reality of life anymore.
Working class white boys are demonised and doing the worst in this current society,
White middle aged men are persona non grata.

The liberal left are liars they have brought race into every facet of life that is racism in its purest form,
if you identify yourself by your colour you are racist.

Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.

As for the job bit, a 2009 study showed people with 'white' sounding names were 74% more likely to receive a positive response to an application than one with a 'black' sounding name.

I suppose it must be the far right cult that you're in that's lying.


White and black sounding names, crikey, who's the racist here?

You are stuck in the 70s mate. You just gave him fuel to the accusation right there.

You can make stats read what you want them to but my guess would be that 74% is actually probably correct, but then given we are in the United Kingdom then it's hardly a surprise as I would imagine the majority of applicants have British/Western names.

One would imagine that if you were in Asia/Africa or any other continent that figure would be reversed the other way and it would be those with 'white sounding names' (your words) that had the less favourable uptake, given they no doubt account for less of the applications.

It's not rocket science.

Apparently it is rocket science to some. It was a study, the people had the same cvs with the name being the only difference. Of those applications the ones with 'white' sounding names had 74% more positive responses than 'black' sounding names. The use of the term white and black sounding names was also their term, not mine.

Also, saying you have a 'black' sounding name isn't racist. If you had a meeting with someone called Muhammad you'd expect them to be black, if you had a meeting with a nigel you'd expect them to be white (and please don't respond to this solely with examples of white people called Muhammad and black people called Nigel, they were just examples).


Josh I think you need to seek some medical help, reading between the lines you got big problem, seriously get some treatment now before its too late mate.

I need to seek medical help because I... Quoted a study?

Unless you're an alt account I have never spoken to you before so your comment is a bit of a piss take.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby rumpo kid » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:50 pm

The research results are as you would expect.. any dipstick would know that. Must be a grant application looming..
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby Nuclearblue » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:34 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:Yawn. Nuclear broken record blue is back again.

Do you want to get your catchphrase out of the way and let this thread be ignored like yesterdays, or last weeks, or the week before, or the week before etc


Is this thread still being ignored Josh ? Asking for all those that have looked and contributed. But I must admit most of the posts on here is abusing you :clap: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby ealing_ayatollah » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:09 pm

Forever Blue wrote:My Father and Mother :thumbright:


You look a lot like you're dad Annis. You must be very proud, and likewise, I'm sure he was equally proud of you mate :thumbup:
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:12 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Yawn. Nuclear broken record blue is back again.

Do you want to get your catchphrase out of the way and let this thread be ignored like yesterdays, or last weeks, or the week before, or the week before etc


Is this thread still being ignored Josh ? Asking for all those that have looked and contributed. But I must admit most of the posts on here is abusing you :clap: :lol: :lol:

Let's be honest though, no one is talking about black lives matters or Marxism on here anymore. I'm the only reason that this post is still being talked about. Frankly, I should be being paid a commission.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby ealing_ayatollah » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:12 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.



The thing is Josh, it all depends on how you want to slice the data.

Exactly the same statements can be applied on a class basis and you will find working-class people of any ethnicity will be statistically more likely to be prejudiced in each of the above examples than their wealthier peers.

If you are truly on the side of seeking equality, the first place to look to resolve the issue isn't by creating unnecessary divides amongst sub-sets of the working class based on race.

From an analytical point of view, the statistics you allude to are the product of poor methodology.

Yes, I know, this isn't your analysis, I also know that it is a widely prevalent and publicised assumption that has been made that race is a key determining factor. However, that doesn't stop it from being wrong.

If data is to be interpreted effectively to drive genuine insight, it is important to identify first the foundational discrepancies within the full data set at the broadest level before moving on to the further nuanced analysis of sub-sets of the data. That is simply very rarely done and all too often the leap is based on race, not class.

Why is a good question, but perhaps one for another time, the point is that the analysis should be on the wider factors first to identify the level 1 trends, which are largely class and economic status based, and then within that to look at relative comparisons of race, gender, religion, single parent vs. two-parent etc.

Shooting straight for racism being a root cause for all issues is just lazy thinking. As I say I fully accept it is prevalent, but that doesn't stop it from being wrong. It is identifying a single layer of a multivariant problem and proclaiming this is the problem solved. In fact, it is worse than that, it is identifying a sub-set of a single layer of a multivariant problem.

When we do occasionally see studies that adopt a more robust foundation for their analysis and introduce multiple factors into the analysis, all too often we see white working-class are the truly marginalised demographic in our society, particularly, white working-class young men. Frankly, they are being left to rot and it is criminal that they are been so glibly cast-aside by a sneering elitist class, but again, that is discussion perhaps for another time.

However, the point here should not be which sub-set of the working class is suffering the most, but more importantly what can be done to bridge the gap between the working and middle class across all subset demographics.


You want to fight injustice in this country? Start with class-based prejudiced and improving opportunities for all working-class children regardless of ethnicity

You want to fight injustice against black and brown people? Start with any of the issues I listed earlier in this thread. Then we have things like religious genocide and African slavery licked we can come back and solve things like in-group bias within the workplace.

Otherwise, all of the white noise coming out of this misguided BLM-inspired idiocracy is nothing but empty rhetoric that doesn't give a damn about black lives or equality for all. In fact, it is nothing but divisive poison designed to give those too ignorant to actually give a damn just enough of a dopamine hit to feel superior to those awful right-wing working-class bigots that are lurking on every corner.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby skidemin » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:43 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Yawn. Nuclear broken record blue is back again.

Do you want to get your catchphrase out of the way and let this thread be ignored like yesterdays, or last weeks, or the week before, or the week before etc


Is this thread still being ignored Josh ? Asking for all those that have looked and contributed. But I must admit most of the posts on here is abusing you :clap: :lol: :lol:

Let's be honest though, no one is talking about black lives matters or Marxism on here anymore. I'm the only reason that this post is still being talked about. Frankly, I should be being paid a commission.



Frankly you should defo be paid..... a visit by men in white coats..
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby Ponty Bluebird » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:52 am

ealing_ayatollah wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.



The thing is Josh, it all depends on how you want to slice the data.

Exactly the same statements can be applied on a class basis and you will find working-class people of any ethnicity will be statistically more likely to be prejudiced in each of the above examples than their wealthier peers.

If you are truly on the side of seeking equality, the first place to look to resolve the issue isn't by creating unnecessary divides amongst sub-sets of the working class based on race.

From an analytical point of view, the statistics you allude to are the product of poor methodology.

Yes, I know, this isn't your analysis, I also know that it is a widely prevalent and publicised assumption that has been made that race is a key determining factor. However, that doesn't stop it from being wrong.

If data is to be interpreted effectively to drive genuine insight, it is important to identify first the foundational discrepancies within the full data set at the broadest level before moving on to the further nuanced analysis of sub-sets of the data. That is simply very rarely done and all too often the leap is based on race, not class.

Why is a good question, but perhaps one for another time, the point is that the analysis should be on the wider factors first to identify the level 1 trends, which are largely class and economic status based, and then within that to look at relative comparisons of race, gender, religion, single parent vs. two-parent etc.

Shooting straight for racism being a root cause for all issues is just lazy thinking. As I say I fully accept it is prevalent, but that doesn't stop it from being wrong. It is identifying a single layer of a multivariant problem and proclaiming this is the problem solved. In fact, it is worse than that, it is identifying a sub-set of a single layer of a multivariant problem.

When we do occasionally see studies that adopt a more robust foundation for their analysis and introduce multiple factors into the analysis, all too often we see white working-class are the truly marginalised demographic in our society, particularly, white working-class young men. Frankly, they are being left to rot and it is criminal that they are been so glibly cast-aside by a sneering elitist class, but again, that is discussion perhaps for another time.

However, the point here should not be which sub-set of the working class is suffering the most, but more importantly what can be done to bridge the gap between the working and middle class across all subset demographics.


You want to fight injustice in this country? Start with class-based prejudiced and improving opportunities for all working-class children regardless of ethnicity

You want to fight injustice against black and brown people? Start with any of the issues I listed earlier in this thread. Then we have things like religious genocide and African slavery licked we can come back and solve things like in-group bias within the workplace.

Otherwise, all of the white noise coming out of this misguided BLM-inspired idiocracy is nothing but empty rhetoric that doesn't give a damn about black lives or equality for all. In fact, it is nothing but divisive poison designed to give those too ignorant to actually give a damn just enough of a dopamine hit to feel superior to those awful right-wing working-class bigots that are lurking on every corner.

Great post :clap:
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby robjohn » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:32 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
robjohn wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:For those who say there's no racism/ black and white people are treated exactly the same:

Would you rather be black or white when dealing with police, being sentenced, applying for a job etc.

A straight up White or black question but I bet no one honestly would pick black.



Josh still lives in the 70s the police are wankers to everyone, I have had more issues with the police
than any of my family who are not white as for job opportunities where is your evidence its complete bullshit,
your living in the past this is not the reality of life anymore.
Working class white boys are demonised and doing the worst in this current society,
White middle aged men are persona non grata.

The liberal left are liars they have brought race into every facet of life that is racism in its purest form,
if you identify yourself by your colour you are racist.

Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.

As for the job bit, a 2009 study showed people with 'white' sounding names were 74% more likely to receive a positive response to an application than one with a 'black' sounding name.

I suppose it must be the far right cult that you're in that's lying.


I am on the left buddy the real left , you are on the liberal university woke wanker left theres a big difference.

I suppose its a myth that the police ignored the perperators of crimes int the grooming gangs scandal precisely because of their race/religion and no social worker/police officer or councillor who all knew have never been charged with crimes of deriication of duty ????????????????? Its must be the girls white privilege that let them be abused for years.

Unfortunately social justice warriors like you will never accept reality of life the police don't give a shit about anyone working class and will abuse whenever they can regardless of colour.
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby robjohn » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:56 am

rumpo kid wrote:All communities tend to gravitate toward their own.. nothing new in that. Dressing it up as racism is at the least, naive. And for some, it’s a career..


its a whole industry of oppression points LoL
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Re: Swansea and Cardiff fans join together

Postby robjohn » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:57 am

Ponty Bluebird wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Shall we play a game? You have to guess whether the statements apply to a white or black person.

1) You are more likely to be stopped by the police.
2) You are more likely to be sent to prison for committing the same crime as a white/black counterpart.
3) You are 4 times more likely to have forced used against you by police.



The thing is Josh, it all depends on how you want to slice the data.

Exactly the same statements can be applied on a class basis and you will find working-class people of any ethnicity will be statistically more likely to be prejudiced in each of the above examples than their wealthier peers.

If you are truly on the side of seeking equality, the first place to look to resolve the issue isn't by creating unnecessary divides amongst sub-sets of the working class based on race.

From an analytical point of view, the statistics you allude to are the product of poor methodology.

Yes, I know, this isn't your analysis, I also know that it is a widely prevalent and publicised assumption that has been made that race is a key determining factor. However, that doesn't stop it from being wrong.

If data is to be interpreted effectively to drive genuine insight, it is important to identify first the foundational discrepancies within the full data set at the broadest level before moving on to the further nuanced analysis of sub-sets of the data. That is simply very rarely done and all too often the leap is based on race, not class.

Why is a good question, but perhaps one for another time, the point is that the analysis should be on the wider factors first to identify the level 1 trends, which are largely class and economic status based, and then within that to look at relative comparisons of race, gender, religion, single parent vs. two-parent etc.

Shooting straight for racism being a root cause for all issues is just lazy thinking. As I say I fully accept it is prevalent, but that doesn't stop it from being wrong. It is identifying a single layer of a multivariant problem and proclaiming this is the problem solved. In fact, it is worse than that, it is identifying a sub-set of a single layer of a multivariant problem.

When we do occasionally see studies that adopt a more robust foundation for their analysis and introduce multiple factors into the analysis, all too often we see white working-class are the truly marginalised demographic in our society, particularly, white working-class young men. Frankly, they are being left to rot and it is criminal that they are been so glibly cast-aside by a sneering elitist class, but again, that is discussion perhaps for another time.

However, the point here should not be which sub-set of the working class is suffering the most, but more importantly what can be done to bridge the gap between the working and middle class across all subset demographics.


You want to fight injustice in this country? Start with class-based prejudiced and improving opportunities for all working-class children regardless of ethnicity

You want to fight injustice against black and brown people? Start with any of the issues I listed earlier in this thread. Then we have things like religious genocide and African slavery licked we can come back and solve things like in-group bias within the workplace.

Otherwise, all of the white noise coming out of this misguided BLM-inspired idiocracy is nothing but empty rhetoric that doesn't give a damn about black lives or equality for all. In fact, it is nothing but divisive poison designed to give those too ignorant to actually give a damn just enough of a dopamine hit to feel superior to those awful right-wing working-class bigots that are lurking on every corner.

Great post :clap:



yes superb post and more eloquent then I will ever be well done sir :notworthy:
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