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Postby Forever Blue » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:32 pm

Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or even Jonny Williams, Bacuna or Rubin Colwill and Kieron Evans from the under-23s setup, each of whom could see some game time before this season is out and Tan wants to see these players playing more than bringing in new players.

McCarthy like Neil Harris has been told by Tan that he expects the first team squad next season to have at least eight players from the Under 23’s included.



What next for Harry Wilson, the Liverpool ace destined for Anfield exit and the massive hole Cardiff City will need to fill.

The Liverpool loanee has gone through peaks and troughs during his loan stint at Cardiff City, but there is a sense that the Bluebirds never really eked the best out of him



Wednesday 14th April 2021



Rewind back to the start of the season and the day it was announced Cardiff City had signed Liverpool attacker Harry Wilson on loan for the season.

There was widespread euphoria among supporters of Wales' capital city club, a genuine excitement this was the signing which was going to kick-start City's season into action and get them motoring up towards promotion contention.

It hasn't worked out like that, of course.

Wilson's season, by most players' standards, has been decent. He has contributed a sizeable 12 assists, although his goal tally of only four might leave a tinge of disappointment.

The truth is, so much was expected of him. Lest we forget, this was a 23-year-old with just one season of Premier League experience. The fact a mooted £20m price tag was dangling over his head last summer really didn't help lower that expectation, either, now £10million, but still way above Cardiff’s spending budget.


But with five games left to play in the season, his future is uncertain. So, too, is Cardiff's plan to replace a player of his class.







Here, we look at his season with Cardiff City, what happens next for him and how the Bluebirds go about filling the sizeable void next term...




A wasted opportunity?

For all of the above, there is the lingering school of thought that Cardiff might have just wasted a huge opportunity to eke the best out of Wilson.

Although he is still relatively inexperienced and young, there was reason for the excitement which was stirred when he signed on the dotted line back in October.

This was a sign that Neil Harris was destined to make the transition into a new style of football, one which championed quick, meaningful passing and slick interplay. Harris had tried to implement it early on in the season, but the quality from the middle of the pitch was lacking and possession was conceded far too charitably.

But there was a hope Wilson would give this new style of play a real shot in the arm and help to not only lift Cardiff's wobbly early-season form, but become the beating soul of this evolved brand of football. Indeed, the thought of him and Lee Tomlin playing in behind Kieffer Moore was a mouthwatering prospect and one which really got fans excited.

Sadly, it never happened.



Despite a bright enough start from Wilson himself, Harris' new system just wasn't working and it reached breaking point on a sad evening when Cardiff slumped to a 1-0 defeat by Coventry.

That sparked a change of system. Cardiff went two up front and started to play long balls down the channel or directly into Kieffer Moore and Wilson's influence diminished, despite results subsequently picking up, albeit for a brief period.

When Mick McCarthy took over, Wilson was dropped for the first game and has played 90 minutes on just three occasions in that time. It's fair to say he doesn't hold the status now he did under Harris.

Under McCarthy we have seen an even more direct style of play. Three centre backs often bypassing the midfield and hitting it straight up to the target man. It has left little to no scope for Wilson to work his class, although he remains lethal at the set piece in terms of his crosses - his free-kicks at goal have been disappointing.

Given Wilson's sheer class, he crowbarred his way into games even when the system didn't necessarily facilitate it. He registered five assists and a goal in his first seven outings under McCarthy.

It has been a decent enough season, even better when you think Cardiff's style has been disadvantageous to him. There are always some who will be left underwhelmed, though.





And what next?

Here is where it gets a little tricky.

It is broadly accepted that the Bluebirds' play-off race is now over. They have fallen short, despite a valiant effort, and have little else to play for in these final five games.

As such, it has seen calls for Cardiff not to play Wilson, or indeed fellow loanees Sheyi Ojo or Jordi Osei-Tutu, in their final fixtures, instead the club are being urged to blood the youngsters and test them out in order to see what they are working with next season.

It is a rational thought process and McCarthy has hinted that he now has an eye on next season.

In fact, after the draw with Blackburn last weekend, McCarthy seemed to confirm that all three loan stars would be returning to their clubs and not coming back to the Welsh capital this summer.




MICK McCARTHY:

"I've been here nearly two months so you're always evaluating it and calculating what you need, what's not going to be here," he said.

"We've got players on loan who are very unlikely they'll be coming back and we will be losing a bit of quality there.

"The next five games, we want to win them and get points, but we will have an eye on what's been happening next season."

Judging by those comments, it seems McCarthy will likely turn to within to see the tools he has at his disposal for next season, but more on that later.



For Wilson, at the one end of the spectrum at least, it might well spell the end of his City career, if McCarthy does decide to make wholesale changes and completely chop it up for the last few matches.

There have been countless reports that Wilson and Ojo are among a handful of young players Liverpool are looking to offload this summer in order to drum up some cash to bolster their squad for a Premier League title charge next term.

In truth, Wilson is a Premier League player. You plonk him into any of those squads below the European places and he would likely do a decent job. He was linked with Burnley and Leeds United last summer, whether those two rear their heads again in the upcoming transfer window is unknown.

Liverpool will unlikely let him leave on loan again as they did last year and they will have no shortage of suitors for him in the top flight or, failing that, the top end of the Championship.

This year will have been a learning curve for the young playmaker and he has adapted to cope in a system which is not conducive for coaxing the very best out of him. It will only serve to make him a better player for wherever he ends up next season.





How do Cardiff City fill the void?

For Cardiff City fans, this is the big question.

The one thing to note is that City have played practically the entire season without Lee Tomlin, just making one start. It has clearly been a frustration for fans.

His groin surgery in October had put him out till January and McCarthy has played down his chances of first-team appearances on a number of occasions, while the player has also had an injury setback or two while playing for the under-23s and said he has been not well.


Just over 50 appearances ( many as sub) for the Bluebirds in three and a half years is not good enough.

Tomlin morphed into some sort of magician last season, tearing apart Championship defences one after another on the Bluebirds' march into the play-offs. That, unfortunately, has not been allowed to happen this season.

Some believe it is fanciful to pin hopes on him coming good and staying fit next season and there is perhaps some merit in that. He might not be able to churn out a full Championship season, all 46 games, but if he is available for a good chunk next term that will go some way to assuaging the loss of Wilson, if Tomlin could make at least half of the matches.

That is, of course, if McCarthy fancies him. One big fear for City fans is if McCarthy views Tomlin the same way Neil Warnock did. It's too early to judge on that, though. McCarthy has stated Tomlin should of been back in February but was way of the fitness he expects.



Jonny Williams is currently in situ. His contract runs out at the end of the season, but the Bluebirds have an option to extend.

All things considered, he has made little impact since he arrived and has dropped behind Wilson and Leandro Bacuna in that No.10 role.

The Welshman could be a big beneficiary if McCarthy decides to axe Wilson for the last five games, though, and he could get a decent run in the side with the prospect of a contract extension on the line.

Fans in this corner of the world know what he can do, owing to his exploits with the national team, and he can bring that spark and ingenuity. His persistent fitness struggles also represent a cause for concern, though.



Bacuna has been a preferred option for McCarthy, but he is not the answer if Cardiff are to inject real creativity into their play next season - which they need to do because teams appear to have figured out how to defend their more direct approach in recent weeks.

There is hope Bacuna can drop into a central midfield role and play as a No.8 alongside someone like Will Vaulks, instead of the two No.6s which are currently in operation.

There are Rubin Colwill and Kieron Evans in the under-23s setup, each of whom could see some game time before this season is out and Tan wants to see these players playing more than bringing in new players.

They are talented and thought of highly within the club, but pinning any weighty hopes on them filling Wilson's void next term is a little premature. Nevertheless, it is expected they will each have greater involvement next season.

So, there are the makings of some sort of gap being filled, but it does all appear to point towards another signing. Whether that is another young Premier League up-and-comer or a more seasoned addition from the Championship is another question, but a signing needs to be made.

The next five games will be telling and will likely inform McCarthy of what he wants to do next season. There is the possibility that one of the youngsters could benefit from a loan next year and Williams might not even be afforded a new deal, then signings certainly need to be made.

It's a position to keep an eye on over the course of the next few weeks and indeed throughout the summer, because Cardiff need that Wilson void filled next term if they are to mount another bid for Premier League promotion.
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I have numerous fans laughing at me for even suggesting it.


I wouldn't laugh at you for suggesting it Annis, but is it possible? No, not in my opinion as Tomlin won't stay fit enough for a start and Wilson is a far superior player in my opinion
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Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Oops on FB

I have numerous fans laughing at me for even suggesting it.


I wouldn't laugh at you for suggesting it Annis, but is it possible? No, not in my opinion as Tomlin won't stay fit enough for a start and Wilson is a far superior player in my opinion



I agree Neil,

It’s not a laughing idea, but as you say Tomlin keeping fit for a whole season or injury free is not likely to happen. Tomlin has never done it for his previous clubs and is always apologising a year later or saying you will see the new Tomlin ??

Wilson is as you say another level to Tomlin.

Problem is Tomlin has another year here ( madness ) and no other club will take his contract on.

Mick will have a tight budget and we will need to replace Harry Wilson??
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Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Oops on FB

I have numerous fans laughing at me for even suggesting it.


I wouldn't laugh at you for suggesting it Annis, but is it possible? No, not in my opinion as Tomlin won't stay fit enough for a start and Wilson is a far superior player in my opinion



I agree Neil,

It’s not a laughing idea, but as you say Tomlin keeping fit for a whole season or injury free is not likely to happen. Tomlin has never done it for his previous clubs and is always apologising a year later or saying you will see the new Tomlin ??

Wilson is as you say another level to Tomlin.

Problem is Tomlin has another year here ( madness ) and no other club will take his contract on.

Mick will have a tight budget and we will need to replace Harry Wilson??


At the moment Annis it seems like it is a toss up between Tomlin or Jonniesta... Not ideal! I would like to see one of the youngsters given a go. Is it Calwill's natural position? I fear for us next season as we are potentially likely to see more quality going out than coming in..
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Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Oops on FB

I have numerous fans laughing at me for even suggesting it.


I wouldn't laugh at you for suggesting it Annis, but is it possible? No, not in my opinion as Tomlin won't stay fit enough for a start and Wilson is a far superior player in my opinion



I agree Neil,

It’s not a laughing idea, but as you say Tomlin keeping fit for a whole season or injury free is not likely to happen. Tomlin has never done it for his previous clubs and is always apologising a year later or saying you will see the new Tomlin ??

Wilson is as you say another level to Tomlin.

Problem is Tomlin has another year here ( madness ) and no other club will take his contract on.

Mick will have a tight budget and we will need to replace Harry Wilson??


At the moment Annis it seems like it is a toss up between Tomlin or Jonniesta... Not ideal! I would like to see one of the youngsters given a go. Is it Calwill's natural position? I fear for us next season as we are potentially likely to see more quality going out than coming in..




Neil,

I don’t think we have as good here as Wilson and maybe we can get another good loan.
But l like you fear that to much quality will leave and we will be relying to much on youngsters who are by No way proven yet.

Regarding our squad:

For me Bagan is the best so far.

Brown for me League 1

Tom Sang could be a fairly good squad player.

Mark Harris in and out.

Need to see way more of the rest playing now.
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Postby skidemin » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:40 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Oops on FB

I have numerous fans laughing at me for even suggesting it.


I wouldn't laugh at you for suggesting it Annis, but is it possible? No, not in my opinion as Tomlin won't stay fit enough for a start and Wilson is a far superior player in my opinion



I agree Neil,

It’s not a laughing idea, but as you say Tomlin keeping fit for a whole season or injury free is not likely to happen. Tomlin has never done it for his previous clubs and is always apologising a year later or saying you will see the new Tomlin ??

Wilson is as you say another level to Tomlin.

Problem is Tomlin has another year here ( madness ) and no other club will take his contract on.

Mick will have a tight budget and we will need to replace Harry Wilson??


At the moment Annis it seems like it is a toss up between Tomlin or Jonniesta... Not ideal! I would like to see one of the youngsters given a go. Is it Calwill's natural position? I fear for us next season as we are potentially likely to see more quality going out than coming in..




Neil,

I don’t think we have as good here as Wilson and maybe we can get another good loan.
But l like you fear that to much quality will leave and we will be relying to much on youngsters who are by No way proven yet.

Regarding our squad:

For me Bagan is the best so far.

Brown for me League 1

Tom Sang could be a fairly good squad player.

Mark Harris in and out.

Need to see way more of the rest playing now.




agree until the final line....we are relying too much on youngsters... and although ok not great { generally agree with your views on them individually } ... results 100% have suffered since our 1st team players started getting injured and we have been forced into using them....... so what makes you think flooding our team with more of these kids { who are even further down the pecking order } is going to achieve anything... our under 23s are not even a good under 23 side let alone stand out.....
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dont really see our budget being that of WBA, Watford etc let alone Leeds obscene promotion winning budget
so , seeing as we are going to be paying him anyway we do actually need a fully fit raring to go Lee Tomlin next season.....
no we havent had value for money ..but see very little point in this stalker blokes constant inline abuse.......i see Mick is in the firing line too now :?
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby Forever Blue » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:13 pm

skidemin wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Oops on FB

I have numerous fans laughing at me for even suggesting it.


I wouldn't laugh at you for suggesting it Annis, but is it possible? No, not in my opinion as Tomlin won't stay fit enough for a start and Wilson is a far superior player in my opinion



I agree Neil,

It’s not a laughing idea, but as you say Tomlin keeping fit for a whole season or injury free is not likely to happen. Tomlin has never done it for his previous clubs and is always apologising a year later or saying you will see the new Tomlin ??

Wilson is as you say another level to Tomlin.

Problem is Tomlin has another year here ( madness ) and no other club will take his contract on.

Mick will have a tight budget and we will need to replace Harry Wilson??


At the moment Annis it seems like it is a toss up between Tomlin or Jonniesta... Not ideal! I would like to see one of the youngsters given a go. Is it Calwill's natural position? I fear for us next season as we are potentially likely to see more quality going out than coming in..




Neil,

I don’t think we have as good here as Wilson and maybe we can get another good loan.
But l like you fear that to much quality will leave and we will be relying to much on youngsters who are by No way proven yet.

Regarding our squad:

For me Bagan is the best so far.

Brown for me League 1

Tom Sang could be a fairly good squad player.

Mark Harris in and out.

Need to see way more of the rest playing now.




agree until the final line....we are relying too much on youngsters... and although ok not great { generally agree with your views on them individually } ... results 100% have suffered since our 1st team players started getting injured and we have been forced into using them....... so what makes you think flooding our team with more of these kids { who are even further down the pecking order } is going to achieve anything... our under 23s are not even a good under 23 side let alone stand out.....




We have suffered since our injuries in the first team and lost a lot of quality players I agree.

I also agree the U23’s are not this so called great set of players, they are not even up to Championship standard most of them in my opinion.

I know The CCFC Committee were getting Neil Harris to make out they are or were ready and Glen Williams from the Echo puts out everything they tell him.

Both Our U23’s or U18’s are No Where the quality they keep saying and they struggle v League 1 & League 2 clubs, I have followed every match.

We sadly have not improved, it’s total Bullshit.


A lot of the results are shocking .


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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby rumpo kid » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:41 pm

McArthy should be the judge of a players suitability for the first team squad.. if a Chairman is telling the Manager what to do, he aint any Manager..

If fans dont bother next year fair enough. There's not even modest ambition at the club..Quid pro quo n'all that..
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby skidemin » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:07 pm

rumpo kid wrote:McArthy should be the judge of a players suitability for the first team squad.. if a Chairman is telling the Manager what to do, he aint any Manager..

If fans dont bother next year fair enough. There's not even modest ambition at the club..Quid pro quo n'all that..



well the ambition regarding the season we are currently in is a bit hard to judge....on one hand the signings of KM , Phillips and the 3 loans were all i think very decent... on the other i felt the squad was too small at the outset { smallest in years } and has cost us points recently and during the time KM was out... this coming window is going to be interesting... many posts on who should leave but i think we should be looking for 3/4 additions before anyone leaves...
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby Bluebird For Life » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:43 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Oops on FB

I have numerous fans laughing at me for even suggesting it.


I wouldn't laugh at you for suggesting it Annis, but is it possible? No, not in my opinion as Tomlin won't stay fit enough for a start and Wilson is a far superior player in my opinion



I agree Neil,

It’s not a laughing idea, but as you say Tomlin keeping fit for a whole season or injury free is not likely to happen. Tomlin has never done it for his previous clubs and is always apologising a year later or saying you will see the new Tomlin ??

Wilson is as you say another level to Tomlin.

Problem is Tomlin has another year here ( madness ) and no other club will take his contract on.

Mick will have a tight budget and we will need to replace Harry Wilson??


At the moment Annis it seems like it is a toss up between Tomlin or Jonniesta... Not ideal! I would like to see one of the youngsters given a go. Is it Calwill's natural position? I fear for us next season as we are potentially likely to see more quality going out than coming in..




Neil,

I don’t think we have as good here as Wilson and maybe we can get another good loan.
But l like you fear that to much quality will leave and we will be relying to much on youngsters who are by No way proven yet.

Regarding our squad:

For me Bagan is the best so far.

Brown for me League 1

Tom Sang could be a fairly good squad player.

Mark Harris in and out.

Need to see way more of the rest playing now.


Yes Bagan looks a very good prospect and Sang has done better than most thought he would given he couldn;t get a game for Cheltenham. Brown for me needs to work on his passing and lacks pace but has done OK. Harris doesn't seem to have a role in the way we play and Mick doesn't seem to fancy Watters so we haven't seen enough of him. I think a lot will depend on who we keep for next season, but I would like to see some of these youngsters get a run out now that we are out of the play off mix. We are safe so it makes sense to me for Mick to see what they can do in the time left.
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby Forever Blue » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:57 pm

Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bluebird For Life wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Oops on FB

I have numerous fans laughing at me for even suggesting it.


I wouldn't laugh at you for suggesting it Annis, but is it possible? No, not in my opinion as Tomlin won't stay fit enough for a start and Wilson is a far superior player in my opinion



I agree Neil,

It’s not a laughing idea, but as you say Tomlin keeping fit for a whole season or injury free is not likely to happen. Tomlin has never done it for his previous clubs and is always apologising a year later or saying you will see the new Tomlin ??

Wilson is as you say another level to Tomlin.

Problem is Tomlin has another year here ( madness ) and no other club will take his contract on.

Mick will have a tight budget and we will need to replace Harry Wilson??


At the moment Annis it seems like it is a toss up between Tomlin or Jonniesta... Not ideal! I would like to see one of the youngsters given a go. Is it Calwill's natural position? I fear for us next season as we are potentially likely to see more quality going out than coming in..




Neil,

I don’t think we have as good here as Wilson and maybe we can get another good loan.
But l like you fear that to much quality will leave and we will be relying to much on youngsters who are by No way proven yet.

Regarding our squad:

For me Bagan is the best so far.

Brown for me League 1

Tom Sang could be a fairly good squad player.

Mark Harris in and out.

Need to see way more of the rest playing now.


Yes Bagan looks a very good prospect and Sang has done better than most thought he would given he couldn;t get a game for Cheltenham. Brown for me needs to work on his passing and lacks pace but has done OK. Harris doesn't seem to have a role in the way we play and Mick doesn't seem to fancy Watters so we haven't seen enough of him. I think a lot will depend on who we keep for next season, but I would like to see some of these youngsters get a run out now that we are out of the play off mix. We are safe so it makes sense to me for Mick to see what they can do in the time left.



Sang has proven me wrong so far after being at Cheltenham :thumbright: :bluebird:

Max Watters jury totally out, would like to see him play in some of our first team games now :thumbright: :thumbright:

Brown, looks the part but I personally don’t rate him, but good luck to the lad . :thumbright: :thumbright:
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby theclaw » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:39 pm

If Tomlin could get himself in the shape and form of the end of last season than yes he could,unfortunately as a player who carries a bit of weight and been out for a while it’s going to be extremely unlikely.

By the way I’d love to see the stats (games,goals assists,MOTM)for Tomlin last season and Wilson this season.
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:07 pm

theclaw wrote:If Tomlin could get himself in the shape and form of the end of last season than yes he could,unfortunately as a player who carries a bit of weight and been out for a while it’s going to be extremely unlikely.

By the way I’d love to see the stats (games,goals assists,MOTM)for Tomlin last season and Wilson this season.

I’d imagine that Tomlin wins quite a few of those apart from one vital one...games played / available.
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby EastShoreBlue » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:08 pm

theclaw wrote:If Tomlin could get himself in the shape and form of the end of last season than yes he could,unfortunately as a player who carries a bit of weight and been out for a while it’s going to be extremely unlikely.

By the way I’d love to see the stats (games,goals assists,MOTM)for Tomlin last season and Wilson this season.


Tomlin:
Games - 35 / Minutes - 2,296
Goals - 9
Assists - 10

Wilson:
Games - 33 / Minutes - 2,510
Goals - 4
Assists - 12

And if you compare how their goal contributions changed a game. For example, 1 goal in a 3-0 win doesn't change the result but a goal in a game that ends 1-1 changes a loss into a draw

Tomlin:
7 Wins / 5 Draws

Wilson:
3 Wins / 3 Draws
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby Forever Blue » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:14 pm

EastShoreBlue wrote:
theclaw wrote:If Tomlin could get himself in the shape and form of the end of last season than yes he could,unfortunately as a player who carries a bit of weight and been out for a while it’s going to be extremely unlikely.

By the way I’d love to see the stats (games,goals assists,MOTM)for Tomlin last season and Wilson this season.


Tomlin:
Games - 35 / Minutes - 2,296
Goals - 9
Assists - 10

Wilson:
Games - 33 / Minutes - 2,510
Goals - 4
Assists - 12





And if you compare how their goal contributions changed a game. For example, 1 goal in a 3-0 win doesn't change the result but a goal in a game that ends 1-1 changes a loss into a draw

Tomlin:
7 Wins / 5 Draws

Wilson:
3 Wins / 3 Draws




Fair play to Tomlin but if only he could do it every season or even every other season or last a season , he would be Premier League or Cardiff City’s greatest ever player.

The problem is 50 odd appearances for us in three and a half years Def not good enough.

And has this problem at every club he has joined.
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby theclaw » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:42 pm

EastShoreBlue wrote:
theclaw wrote:If Tomlin could get himself in the shape and form of the end of last season than yes he could,unfortunately as a player who carries a bit of weight and been out for a while it’s going to be extremely unlikely.

By the way I’d love to see the stats (games,goals assists,MOTM)for Tomlin last season and Wilson this season.


Tomlin:
Games - 35 / Minutes - 2,296
Goals - 9
Assists - 10

Wilson:
Games - 33 / Minutes - 2,510
Goals - 4
Assists - 12

And if you compare how their goal contributions changed a game. For example, 1 goal in a 3-0 win doesn't change the result but a goal in a game that ends 1-1 changes a loss into a draw

Tomlin:
7 Wins / 5 Draws

Wilson:
3 Wins / 3 Draws


Cheers for that
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby pembroke allan » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:22 pm

Playing wise yes but doesnt play enough games to be on an equal footing as harry.... certainly cannot base side around him
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:02 pm

pembroke allan wrote:Playing wise yes but doesnt play enough games to be on an equal footing as harry.... certainly cannot base side around him

Both fully fit and available for the whole season I’d pick Tomlin. All hypothetical though.
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Re: Can Lee Tomlin replace Harry Wilson next season or

Postby Escott1927 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:24 pm

We should all be hoping Tomlin fully recovers over the summer and is able to hit form like last season. Theres already a lack of quality/creativity in the squad and wilson, ojo and Hoilet(?) won't be here next season. Dont think there will be much money available, not enough to buy someone of Tomlin or wilsons quality. Wouldnt build my team around Tomlin but he's a great option to have. He's shown he can be the difference between a loss/draw or a draw/win. We are paying for him to be at the club so might as well use him if we can.
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