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Sneggyblubird wrote:Trouble is once you go down that road it always comes back to bite you when you least want it.
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castleblue wrote:Any club that claims to be professional would play the best team they have available for each and every game for the integrity of the game, competition and the good name of the club. Rotherham are putting up a fight but if they are to stay up they must earn that right. In a way the answer to the question raised is the same as why the ESL was doomed to failure.
Well said (again) Gary; and we live in hope on the Derby decision, which I'll be honest and say I wasn't aware of...
Sport is not sport if it's not competitive and Rotherham have to compete against the best team each of their opponents put out on the day.
I may be wrong but I thought the EFL were going through an appeal against the decision of an Independent panel to cancel the 6 point deduction on Derby for financial reasons. I'm not sure if that has been decided but if Derby lose their stuffed.
Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:10 am
castleblue » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:15 am
Any club that claims to be professional would play the best team they have available for each and every game for the integrity of the game, competition and the good name of the club. Rotherham are putting up a fight but if they are to stay up they must earn that right. In a way the answer to the question raised is the same as why the ESL was doomed to failure.
Sport is not sport if it's not competitive and Rotherham have to compete against the best team each of their opponents put out on the day.
I may be wrong but I thought the EFL were going through an appeal against the decision of an Independent panel to cancel the 6 point deduction on Derby for financial reasons. I'm not sure if that has been decided but if Derby lose their stuffed.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:54 am
Scoularite wrote:castleblue » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:15 am
Any club that claims to be professional would play the best team they have available for each and every game for the integrity of the game, competition and the good name of the club. Rotherham are putting up a fight but if they are to stay up they must earn that right. In a way the answer to the question raised is the same as why the ESL was doomed to failure.
Sport is not sport if it's not competitive and Rotherham have to compete against the best team each of their opponents put out on the day.
I may be wrong but I thought the EFL were going through an appeal against the decision of an Independent panel to cancel the 6 point deduction on Derby for financial reasons. I'm not sure if that has been decided but if Derby lose their stuffed.
Football is now a squad game, as teams at both the top and bottom of the Premiership regularly demonstrate. The days of always putting out the "strongest" team are long gone and teams now need to manage their squads for their own benefit. That doesn't mean deliberately putting out a weakened team, but trying out a couple of the youngsters to look to the future would seem to be a logical way forward as some big decisions will need to be taken during the close season.
We need to be looking after our future.
Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:03 am
Forever Blue wrote:Derby - A Moral Question :
We know how Derby cheated us on an important game by calling it off on the trumped up excuse of snow - and got away with it ...... “snowgate”.
They would have been missing quite a few players to injury (and I remember suspension) - some players being very important. The game was very important to both of us as we were both chasing the play-offs.
Presently they could easily be sucked into relegation because Rotherham have 3 games in hand (and are 4 points behind). Rotherham are putting up one hell of a fight. For example their last game against Middlesborough they were leading by one goal but lost 2-1 because they had a player sent off early in the first half.
The moral as well as the footballing question is ..... should we be playing a greatly weakened team against Rotherham in the last game of the season?
Personally , while my heart says yes yes yes - I believe that it is immoral to do so. Anyway , we are not supposed to do it by the footballing rules.
We can do it because all the players are on the registered list - and we know that many clubs for example play greatly weakened teams in the League and the FA cups and no one does anything.
This is really a hypothetical question because at the end of the day it is Tan’s decision who can order MM to do it. I don’t think MM will be minded to do it because he was not involved in the Derby “snowgate”.
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Tony Blue Williams wrote:Who actually would decide what is our strongest side was?
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Tony Blue Williams wrote:Who actually would decide what is our strongest side was?
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castleblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Who actually would decide what is our strongest side was?
I'm sure the EFL introduced a new rule in 2018 following the case where Huddersfield Town made 10 changes to their match against Birmingham, which Birmingham won 2-0, Huddersfield were already guaranteed a playoff place but thanks to the win Birmingham survived by 2 points and Blackburn Rovers were relegated.
I think the new rule says that on or after the 4th Thursday in March each club team sheet (Includes subs) MUST contain 10 outfield players who were listed in the previous match.
So MM picks the team but must respect that rule. Hope that makes sense Tony.
Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:30 pm
llan bluebird wrote:I don't think its a moral question. Who is to say what your strongest team is?
Did we play our strongest side in the FA cup final, we let a kid who ended up being elite sit on the bench. Colwell could be Rambo Mk2, Joe Ralls and only be championship level at 22 or Tommy O'Sullivan never making it and playing for Gloucester
We act as if we don't have 2 youngsters starting. Brown and Sang were names we never talked about at the start of the season or even Christmas.
We know that at least Watters is L2, wouldn't mind him getting a taste of the stuff he could do in the dungeon but can't get away within the championship because the defenders are better.
Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:10 pm
Sven » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:54 am
Scoularite wrote:
castleblue » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:15 am
Any club that claims to be professional would play the best team they have available for each and every game for the integrity of the game, competition and the good name of the club. Rotherham are putting up a fight but if they are to stay up they must earn that right. In a way the answer to the question raised is the same as why the ESL was doomed to failure.
Sport is not sport if it's not competitive and Rotherham have to compete against the best team each of their opponents put out on the day.
I may be wrong but I thought the EFL were going through an appeal against the decision of an Independent panel to cancel the 6 point deduction on Derby for financial reasons. I'm not sure if that has been decided but if Derby lose their stuffed.
Football is now a squad game, as teams at both the top and bottom of the Premiership regularly demonstrate. The days of always putting out the "strongest" team are long gone and teams now need to manage their squads for their own benefit. That doesn't mean deliberately putting out a weakened team, but trying out a couple of the youngsters to look to the future would seem to be a logical way forward as some big decisions will need to be taken during the close season.
We need to be looking after our future.
Was that answer related to the original question though...?
It was one of 'sporting integrity', so I think not...
The moral as well as the footballing question is ..... should we be playing a greatly weakened team against Rotherham in the last game of the season?
The days of always putting out the "strongest" team are long gone and teams now need to manage their squads for their own benefit. That doesn't mean deliberately putting out a weakened team,
Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:05 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:castleblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Who actually would decide what is our strongest side was?
I'm sure the EFL introduced a new rule in 2018 following the case where Huddersfield Town made 10 changes to their match against Birmingham, which Birmingham won 2-0, Huddersfield were already guaranteed a playoff place but thanks to the win Birmingham survived by 2 points and Blackburn Rovers were relegated.
I think the new rule says that on or after the 4th Thursday in March each club team sheet (Includes subs) MUST contain 10 outfield players who were listed in the previous match.
So MM picks the team but must respect that rule. Hope that makes sense Tony.
Thanks for the information Gary. I have wondered about this for sometime so again thanks for clearing the matter up.
That said wouldn't it be true that due to the youngsters being included in the match day squad for sometime now we wouldn't fall foul of the above rule if MM did decide to play them?
Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:24 pm
castleblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:castleblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Who actually would decide what is our strongest side was?
I'm sure the EFL introduced a new rule in 2018 following the case where Huddersfield Town made 10 changes to their match against Birmingham, which Birmingham won 2-0, Huddersfield were already guaranteed a playoff place but thanks to the win Birmingham survived by 2 points and Blackburn Rovers were relegated.
I think the new rule says that on or after the 4th Thursday in March each club team sheet (Includes subs) MUST contain 10 outfield players who were listed in the previous match.
So MM picks the team but must respect that rule. Hope that makes sense Tony.
Thanks for the information Gary. I have wondered about this for sometime so again thanks for clearing the matter up.
That said wouldn't it be true that due to the youngsters being included in the match day squad for sometime now we wouldn't fall foul of the above rule if MM did decide to play them?
I checked and that rule is in place but it only states players named on the team sheet not starting so as long as there are 10 outfield players from the Brentford game on the team sheet MM could play some youngsters with no comeback.
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