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Postby Igovernor » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:47 am

The Premier League is set to use thicker lines while judging narrow VAR offside calls next season.
Top-flight chiefs have made the change after a campaign littered with marginal decisions which proved deeply unpopular with fans.

The use of thicker lines by the video assistant referee will hand attackers a bigger margin for error, putting an end to so-called armpit offsides.
Premier League clubs and referees anticipate the change having a drastic impact on matches after many this season were marred by attackers being ruled offside due to their heels, toes or armpits.
Under new protocols, those body parts being narrowly beyond the defender are no longer likely to result in penalisation.

Referee chiefs were involved in the process, while they are also investigating ways of increasing the threshold for what warrants a penalty.

The report adds they will draw up criteria in a bid to provide clarity on what is deemed a foul in the box.
Meanwhile, Premier League clubs have answered a survey in which they were prompted to give their opinions on VAR and raise the changes they would like to see made.
Do you think the introduction of thicker lines will improve VAR next season? Have your say in the comments.
In the midweek AGM, the 20 sides were informed of plans to introduce automated offside technology, although this is believed to be at least two years away from being ready for use. As such, clubs decided to use thicker lines in the meantime.
Managers, captains and sporting directors were involved in the survey process, while fans' views on VAR will also play a part in future changes.

A Premier League presentation to clubs in March said: "The purpose is to identify improvements to the VAR system and form a common understanding of where a VAR interpretation is expected and how changes can be made to increase consistency in interpretation and decision-making.

"The results will inform the coaching and training of match officials during the close season and changes will take effect in season 2021-2022."
VAR has been in force in the Premier League for two seasons and has faced sustained criticism despite a change made last August allowing referees to consult pitchside monitors for subjective decisions.
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Re: VAR ABOUT TIME

Postby pembroke allan » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:40 am

Will it help? Thicker lines also mean more attackers in line with defenders armpit? What side of this thicker line is on or offside...... upto now being inline with defender as been ruled offside? Why couldn't they simply use the foot as guide 99.9999% of times that shows definitively whether someone is on or offside .
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Re: VAR ABOUT TIME

Postby pontlliwblue » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:25 am

Change rule to there must be daylight between players. Will make for a more attacking game and less grey areas.
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Re: VAR ABOUT TIME

Postby skidemin » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:04 am

surely its the edge of the line that counts and not how thick the line is...
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Re: VAR ABOUT TIME

Postby WestCoastBlue » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:34 am

Not sure this helps really. If you make the lines 10cm big it just means any offsides where the players are 10.1cm apart now become the controversial ones instead of the current offsides that are 0.1cm apart.

I think it was the Dutch FA that suggested a solution that I liked. The ref gets 30s to watch the reply on the monitor in real time which gives ref more of an opinion whether it’s a clear and obvious offside and whether the attacker gained an unfair advantage. This stops calls like the Bamford v Villa one where his goal was ruled out because he pointed where he wanted the ball and his arm was offside whilst the rest of him was onside. The ball was played to his feet so his arm being offside didn’t give him any advantage.
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Re: VAR ABOUT TIME

Postby skidemin » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:02 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:Not sure this helps really. If you make the lines 10cm big it just means any offsides where the players are 10.1cm apart now become the controversial ones instead of the current offsides that are 0.1cm apart.

I think it was the Dutch FA that suggested a solution that I liked. The ref gets 30s to watch the reply on the monitor in real time which gives ref more of an opinion whether it’s a clear and obvious offside and whether the attacker gained an unfair advantage. This stops calls like the Bamford v Villa one where his goal was ruled out because he pointed where he wanted the ball and his arm was offside whilst the rest of him was onside. The ball was played to his feet so his arm being offside didn’t give him any advantage.



surely the line is there just as a tool to help the VAR guys.... the line { no matter how wide/thick } is brought backwards from the goal line until it touches the attacker....and if a part of him is deemed closer to the goal line in relation to a defender it is offside.... if the new 10cm line is leeway { added to the part of the defender closest to his goal..}fine...your dutch idea sounds an improvement too but would obviously see far more stoppages as the ref runs back and forth to the monitor..
personally i think its been a failure... still controversial decisions only now its taken away from the game with both fans and players more reluctant to celebrate goals , which are after all the reason we go on the first place...
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Re: VAR ABOUT TIME

Postby pembroke allan » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:41 pm

skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:Not sure this helps really. If you make the lines 10cm big it just means any offsides where the players are 10.1cm apart now become the controversial ones instead of the current offsides that are 0.1cm apart.

I think it was the Dutch FA that suggested a solution that I liked. The ref gets 30s to watch the reply on the monitor in real time which gives ref more of an opinion whether it’s a clear and obvious offside and whether the attacker gained an unfair advantage. This stops calls like the Bamford v Villa one where his goal was ruled out because he pointed where he wanted the ball and his arm was offside whilst the rest of him was onside. The ball was played to his feet so his arm being offside didn’t give him any advantage.



surely the line is there just as a tool to help the VAR guys.... the line { no matter how wide/thick } is brought backwards from the goal line until it touches the attacker....and if a part of him is deemed closer to the goal line in relation to a defender it is offside.... if the new 10cm line is leeway { added to the part of the defender closest to his goal..}fine...your dutch idea sounds an improvement too but would obviously see far more stoppages as the ref runs back and forth to the monitor..
personally i think its been a failure... still controversial decisions only now its taken away from the game with both fans and players more reluctant to celebrate goals , which are after all the reason we go on the first place...



Refs have not had a say in var offside decisions so wont this season ..... all they've done is muddy an already dirty pond? A line is a line so if a defender is 1mm goal side of attacker now but thicker line means both players are on new line what side of line they judging offside by because surely thicker line could obscure armpitbehind it ? Stupid idea and still get same arguments as before... :old:
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Re: VAR ABOUT TIME

Postby Scoularite » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:52 pm

The main problem seems to revolve around "clear and obvious." If a referee needs to look at a replay more than 2 or 3 times maximum, then how can they then say a decision is clear and obvious.
Can't see that the thickness of the lines will improve the current position.
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Re: VAR ABOUT TIME

Postby pembroke allan » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:13 pm

Scoularite wrote:The main problem seems to revolve around "clear and obvious." If a referee needs to look at a replay more than 2 or 3 times maximum, then how can they then say a decision is clear and obvious.
Can't see that the thickness of the lines will improve the current position.



Red card against wales he took so long thought he fell asleep..... my point on thicker lines is what side of line is offside? Probably make attacker inline with defender but pointless as not once seen var giving benefit of doubt to attacking player in that scenario.. confusion will remain undoubtedly
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Re: VAR ABOUT TIME

Postby Scoularite » Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:09 am

pembroke allan » Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:13 pm

Scoularite wrote:
The main problem seems to revolve around "clear and obvious." If a referee needs to look at a replay more than 2 or 3 times maximum, then how can they then say a decision is clear and obvious.
Can't see that the thickness of the lines will improve the current position.



Red card against wales he took so long thought he fell asleep..... my point on thicker lines is what side of line is offside? Probably make attacker inline with defender but pointless as not once seen var giving benefit of doubt to attacking player in that scenario.. confusion will remain undoubtedly


Absolutely agree.
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Re: VAR ABOUT TIME

Postby pembroke allan » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:53 pm

Scoularite wrote:
pembroke allan » Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:13 pm

Scoularite wrote:
The main problem seems to revolve around "clear and obvious." If a referee needs to look at a replay more than 2 or 3 times maximum, then how can they then say a decision is clear and obvious.
Can't see that the thickness of the lines will improve the current position.



Red card against wales he took so long thought he fell asleep..... my point on thicker lines is what side of line is offside? Probably make attacker inline with defender but pointless as not once seen var giving benefit of doubt to attacking player in that scenario.. confusion will remain undoubtedly


Absolutely agree.



But its being used sparingly at moment and refs are having last word on decisions let's hope premier league learn something from this taunement.
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