Drakeford is a tw*t

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

and when its Lincolns grandson that is calling you a tw*t , you really must be a grade A tw*t...
sorry Harry

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

In this case, as you are a bona fide member of that society, we bow to your experience and expertise the subject area

Back in the real world, Drakeford is just being cautious at this point and not building up hopes like Boris is, as the intelligent information says that a third wave may occur late July or into early August, as I reported some weeks ago...

Figures are rising and whilst actual deaths may thankfully not be rising as before, there is a concern for the NHS and other emergency services, who are quite rightly preparing for the worst outcome...

Doesn't mean it will happen; but just the intelligent opinion that it 'might' is enough to be cautious at this point

Thankfully, as the B£ue £goon is finding out, your personal needs do not trump those of the nation...

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

In this case, as you are a bona fide member of that society, we bow to your experience and expertise the subject area

Back in the real world, Drakeford is just being cautious at this point and not building up hopes like Boris is, as the intelligent information says that a third wave may occur late July or into early August, as I reported some weeks ago...

Figures are rising and whilst actual deaths may thankfully not be rising as before, there is a concern for the NHS and other emergency services, who are quite rightly preparing for the worst outcome...

Doesn't mean it will happen; but just the intelligent opinion that it 'might' is enough to be cautious at this point

Thankfully, as the B£ue £goon is finding out, your personal needs do not trump those of the nation...

Being over cautious in the summer may backfire.

Boris is going for heard immunity while the NHS is not in the Winter crisis! England will have high levels of immunity from vaccines and natural covid immunity, if Drakeford keeps us locked down at the numbers low, we could get a big wave moving into Winter and never get a chance to unlock?

We have lower vaccine doubled dosed percentage also from the figures the the day, I thought people were saying we were ahead of England?

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

In this case, as you are a bona fide member of that society, we bow to your experience and expertise the subject area

Back in the real world, Drakeford is just being cautious at this point and not building up hopes like Boris is, as the intelligent information says that a third wave may occur late July or into early August, as I reported some weeks ago...

Figures are rising and whilst actual deaths may thankfully not be rising as before, there is a concern for the NHS and other emergency services, who are quite rightly preparing for the worst outcome...

Doesn't mean it will happen; but just the intelligent opinion that it 'might' is enough to be cautious at this point

Thankfully, as the B£ue £goon is finding out, your personal needs do not trump those of the nation...

Yet again it's the obsession with figures rising.

The only figures which are rising in any significant amount are the number of infections not the hospitalisations or deaths which surely are the only figures that matter now that "here in Wales" virtually everybody in the most vulnerable categories have received their two jabs of the "miracle" vaccine?

Drakeford has given no indication that he believes there will ever be an end to restrictions and a return to how things were previously. How long can you be "cautious" for? Until infections are zero? Until there is nobody in hospital in Wales with Covid?

I notice that on Wales Online the daily figures for those in hospital "due to covid" now include a number of people with "suspected" covid. Next thing they'll be saying that it's "suspected" that hundreds of thousands of people in Wales "may" have covid and therefore we must move cautiously for the next few decades until covid disappears completely.

Drakeford has made no indication at all of how Wales will ever be free from restrictions because he has no intention of relinquishing the power it is giving him over an entire population.

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

In this case, as you are a bona fide member of that society, we bow to your experience and expertise the subject area

Back in the real world, Drakeford is just being cautious at this point and not building up hopes like Boris is, as the intelligent information says that a third wave may occur late July or into early August, as I reported some weeks ago...

Figures are rising and whilst actual deaths may thankfully not be rising as before, there is a concern for the NHS and other emergency services, who are quite rightly preparing for the worst outcome...

Doesn't mean it will happen; but just the intelligent opinion that it 'might' is enough to be cautious at this point

Thankfully, as the B£ue £goon is finding out, your personal needs do not trump those of the nation...

Yet again it's the obsession with figures rising.

The only figures which are rising in any significant amount are the number of infections not the hospitalisations or deaths which surely are the only figures that matter now that "here in Wales" virtually everybody in the most vulnerable categories have received their two jabs of the "miracle" vaccine?

Drakeford has given no indication that he believes there will ever be an end to restrictions and a return to how things were previously. How long can you be "cautious" for? Until infections are zero? Until there is nobody in hospital in Wales with Covid?

I notice that on Wales Online the daily figures for those in hospital "due to covid" now include a number of people with "suspected" covid. Next thing they'll be saying that it's "suspected" that hundreds of thousands of people in Wales "may" have covid and therefore we must move cautiously for the next few decades until covid disappears completely.

Drakeford has made no indication at all of how Wales will ever be free from restrictions because he has no intention of relinquishing the power it is giving him over an entire population.

What is this "miracle" vaccine of which you speak? I'm going to presume you're being sarcastic about it being a "miracle" as nobody I've spoken to has called it that.

You & your ilk make it very difficult to have any sort of sensible discussion about things as one line of sarcasm tends to overshadow everything else that you say by being there to goad people into a response rather than discuss whatever the issue is.
A lot of what you're saying while sensible is lost on most people because of the perceived or meant dig.

Some of the people in Wales I've spoken to think he's doing okay but there have been some stupid rules & some think he's useless. Same happens here with our Governor who is facing a recall election because some people don't like what he's done during Covid. They don't care that it's going to cost the state $200 million and end up with the same result as long as they get to have a dig at him & have their 15 minutes of fame.

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

In this case, as you are a bona fide member of that society, we bow to your experience and expertise the subject area

Back in the real world, Drakeford is just being cautious at this point and not building up hopes like Boris is, as the intelligent information says that a third wave may occur late July or into early August, as I reported some weeks ago...

Figures are rising and whilst actual deaths may thankfully not be rising as before, there is a concern for the NHS and other emergency services, who are quite rightly preparing for the worst outcome...

Doesn't mean it will happen; but just the intelligent opinion that it 'might' is enough to be cautious at this point

Thankfully, as the B£ue £goon is finding out, your personal needs do not trump those of the nation...

Yet again it's the obsession with figures rising.

The only figures which are rising in any significant amount are the number of infections not the hospitalisations or deaths which surely are the only figures that matter now that "here in Wales" virtually everybody in the most vulnerable categories have received their two jabs of the "miracle" vaccine?

Drakeford has given no indication that he believes there will ever be an end to restrictions and a return to how things were previously. How long can you be "cautious" for? Until infections are zero? Until there is nobody in hospital in Wales with Covid?

I notice that on Wales Online the daily figures for those in hospital "due to covid" now include a number of people with "suspected" covid. Next thing they'll be saying that it's "suspected" that hundreds of thousands of people in Wales "may" have covid and therefore we must move cautiously for the next few decades until covid disappears completely.

Drakeford has made no indication at all of how Wales will ever be free from restrictions because he has no intention of relinquishing the power it is giving him over an entire population.

Not really disputing that; just trying to explain to Harry Hill, Jnr. why his assumption Drakeford is being totally negative is something wide of the mark...

Otherwise, your post is an interesting take, as usual...

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

In this case, as you are a bona fide member of that society, we bow to your experience and expertise the subject area

Back in the real world, Drakeford is just being cautious at this point and not building up hopes like Boris is, as the intelligent information says that a third wave may occur late July or into early August, as I reported some weeks ago...

Figures are rising and whilst actual deaths may thankfully not be rising as before, there is a concern for the NHS and other emergency services, who are quite rightly preparing for the worst outcome...

Doesn't mean it will happen; but just the intelligent opinion that it 'might' is enough to be cautious at this point

Thankfully, as the B£ue £goon is finding out, your personal needs do not trump those of the nation...

Yet again it's the obsession with figures rising.

The only figures which are rising in any significant amount are the number of infections not the hospitalisations or deaths which surely are the only figures that matter now that "here in Wales" virtually everybody in the most vulnerable categories have received their two jabs of the "miracle" vaccine?

Drakeford has given no indication that he believes there will ever be an end to restrictions and a return to how things were previously. How long can you be "cautious" for? Until infections are zero? Until there is nobody in hospital in Wales with Covid?

I notice that on Wales Online the daily figures for those in hospital "due to covid" now include a number of people with "suspected" covid. Next thing they'll be saying that it's "suspected" that hundreds of thousands of people in Wales "may" have covid and therefore we must move cautiously for the next few decades until covid disappears completely.

Drakeford has made no indication at all of how Wales will ever be free from restrictions because he has no intention of relinquishing the power it is giving him over an entire population.

What is this "miracle" vaccine of which you speak? I'm going to presume you're being sarcastic about it being a "miracle" as nobody I've spoken to has called it that.

You & your ilk make it very difficult to have any sort of sensible discussion about things as one line of sarcasm tends to overshadow everything else that you say by being there to goad people into a response rather than discuss whatever the issue is.
A lot of what you're saying while sensible is lost on most people because of the perceived or meant dig.

Some of the people in Wales I've spoken to think he's doing okay but there have been some stupid rules & some think he's useless. Same happens here with our Governor who is facing a recall election because some people don't like what he's done during Covid. They don't care that it's going to cost the state $200 million and end up with the same result as long as they get to have a dig at him & have their 15 minutes of fame.

So are you saying that those who happen to disagree with what your Governor has been doing should just accept everything that has been done without question and that anybody who dares to "have a dig" at him is only doing so because they want to have their 15 minutes of fame?

It sounds like an ideal situation for any politician - do what you like with no need to justify or being challenged for your actions and say that anybody with a different view to yours is simply chasing their 15 minutes of fame.

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

In this case, as you are a bona fide member of that society, we bow to your experience and expertise the subject area

Back in the real world, Drakeford is just being cautious at this point and not building up hopes like Boris is, as the intelligent information says that a third wave may occur late July or into early August, as I reported some weeks ago...

Figures are rising and whilst actual deaths may thankfully not be rising as before, there is a concern for the NHS and other emergency services, who are quite rightly preparing for the worst outcome...

Doesn't mean it will happen; but just the intelligent opinion that it 'might' is enough to be cautious at this point

Thankfully, as the B£ue £goon is finding out, your personal needs do not trump those of the nation...

Yet again it's the obsession with figures rising.

The only figures which are rising in any significant amount are the number of infections not the hospitalisations or deaths which surely are the only figures that matter now that "here in Wales" virtually everybody in the most vulnerable categories have received their two jabs of the "miracle" vaccine?

Drakeford has given no indication that he believes there will ever be an end to restrictions and a return to how things were previously. How long can you be "cautious" for? Until infections are zero? Until there is nobody in hospital in Wales with Covid?

I notice that on Wales Online the daily figures for those in hospital "due to covid" now include a number of people with "suspected" covid. Next thing they'll be saying that it's "suspected" that hundreds of thousands of people in Wales "may" have covid and therefore we must move cautiously for the next few decades until covid disappears completely.

Drakeford has made no indication at all of how Wales will ever be free from restrictions because he has no intention of relinquishing the power it is giving him over an entire population.

What is this "miracle" vaccine of which you speak? I'm going to presume you're being sarcastic about it being a "miracle" as nobody I've spoken to has called it that.

You & your ilk make it very difficult to have any sort of sensible discussion about things as one line of sarcasm tends to overshadow everything else that you say by being there to goad people into a response rather than discuss whatever the issue is.
A lot of what you're saying while sensible is lost on most people because of the perceived or meant dig.

Some of the people in Wales I've spoken to think he's doing okay but there have been some stupid rules & some think he's useless. Same happens here with our Governor who is facing a recall election because some people don't like what he's done during Covid. They don't care that it's going to cost the state $200 million and end up with the same result as long as they get to have a dig at him & have their 15 minutes of fame.

So are you saying that those who happen to disagree with what your Governor has been doing should just accept everything that has been done without question and that anybody who dares to "have a dig" at him is only doing so because they want to have their 15 minutes of fame?

It sounds like an ideal situation for any politician - do what you like with no need to justify or being challenged for your actions and say that anybody with a different view to yours is simply chasing their 15 minutes of fame.

That's not what I said & you know it. Yet again you can't have a sensible discussion about anything , he's not "my governor" either.

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

In this case, as you are a bona fide member of that society, we bow to your experience and expertise the subject area

Back in the real world, Drakeford is just being cautious at this point and not building up hopes like Boris is, as the intelligent information says that a third wave may occur late July or into early August, as I reported some weeks ago...

Figures are rising and whilst actual deaths may thankfully not be rising as before, there is a concern for the NHS and other emergency services, who are quite rightly preparing for the worst outcome...

Doesn't mean it will happen; but just the intelligent opinion that it 'might' is enough to be cautious at this point

Thankfully, as the B£ue £goon is finding out, your personal needs do not trump those of the nation...

Yet again it's the obsession with figures rising.

The only figures which are rising in any significant amount are the number of infections not the hospitalisations or deaths which surely are the only figures that matter now that "here in Wales" virtually everybody in the most vulnerable categories have received their two jabs of the "miracle" vaccine?

Drakeford has given no indication that he believes there will ever be an end to restrictions and a return to how things were previously. How long can you be "cautious" for? Until infections are zero? Until there is nobody in hospital in Wales with Covid?

I notice that on Wales Online the daily figures for those in hospital "due to covid" now include a number of people with "suspected" covid. Next thing they'll be saying that it's "suspected" that hundreds of thousands of people in Wales "may" have covid and therefore we must move cautiously for the next few decades until covid disappears completely.

Drakeford has made no indication at all of how Wales will ever be free from restrictions because he has no intention of relinquishing the power it is giving him over an entire population.

What is this "miracle" vaccine of which you speak? I'm going to presume you're being sarcastic about it being a "miracle" as nobody I've spoken to has called it that.

You & your ilk make it very difficult to have any sort of sensible discussion about things as one line of sarcasm tends to overshadow everything else that you say by being there to goad people into a response rather than discuss whatever the issue is.
A lot of what you're saying while sensible is lost on most people because of the perceived or meant dig.

Some of the people in Wales I've spoken to think he's doing okay but there have been some stupid rules & some think he's useless. Same happens here with our Governor who is facing a recall election because some people don't like what he's done during Covid. They don't care that it's going to cost the state $200 million and end up with the same result as long as they get to have a dig at him & have their 15 minutes of fame.

So are you saying that those who happen to disagree with what your Governor has been doing should just accept everything that has been done without question and that anybody who dares to "have a dig" at him is only doing so because they want to have their 15 minutes of fame?

It sounds like an ideal situation for any politician - do what you like with no need to justify or being challenged for your actions and say that anybody with a different view to yours is simply chasing their 15 minutes of fame.

That's not what I said & you know it. Yet again you can't have a sensible discussion about anything , he's not "my governor" either.

You've picked up on one word of my original post and used it to criticise me and now you've refused to answer my last post by saying I can't have a sensible conversation about anything.

So enlighten me - what exactly were you saying in the last paragraph of your reply to my original post? Excuse my stupidity but I'm obviously missing whatever point you were trying to make.

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

If Drakeford was English, he’d make apple sauce at home and sell it at Sunday Market.. he wouldn’t be trusted to do anything else

In school today just had a video call with drakeford basically he’s a tw*t said he wants England to win Sunday as it’s his home nation and he said it’s unlikely lots of fans will be allowed into stadiums due to a current “third wave” despite there’s been 3 or 4 deaths in the last week.
Don’t get your hopes up he’s a tw*t

In this case, as you are a bona fide member of that society, we bow to your experience and expertise the subject area

Back in the real world, Drakeford is just being cautious at this point and not building up hopes like Boris is, as the intelligent information says that a third wave may occur late July or into early August, as I reported some weeks ago...

Figures are rising and whilst actual deaths may thankfully not be rising as before, there is a concern for the NHS and other emergency services, who are quite rightly preparing for the worst outcome...

Doesn't mean it will happen; but just the intelligent opinion that it 'might' is enough to be cautious at this point

Thankfully, as the B£ue £goon is finding out, your personal needs do not trump those of the nation...

how intelligent the previous guesses resulting in lockdowns and restrictions have been we will find out much further down the line... thats if anyone has the guts to actually admit just how much damage they have caused and how many avoidable deaths of people that could have had years and years of a good quality life ahead of them have been sacrificed....

I see Sir Sven is in the house and spouting his grand superior wisdom.

My take is this and that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Slow and steady is the way. Its only football ffs, season ticket holders only. Show your 2 jab id perhaps??? Jusst temporary till we get through this.

post by blue lagoon » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm

My take is this and that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Slow and steady is the way. ...season ticket holders only. Show your 2 jab id perhaps??? Just temporary till we get through this.

Not a fan of Drakeford and normally turn the tv to another channel when he's on, but would support the proposal above. Scientists appear to be linking the surge in infections in England to both the Delta variant and a number of the trials with crowds.

All the people waiting for operations/treatment for many other conditions, such as cancer, do not deserve to be sacrificed by allowing the NHS to be over-run by covid again. The BMA urged the Government this week to rethink its plan to relax all restrictions owing to the surge in COVID-19 infection rates, just one day ago.

post by blue lagoon » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm

My take is this and that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Slow and steady is the way. ...season ticket holders only. Show your 2 jab id perhaps??? Just temporary till we get through this.

Not a fan of Drakeford and normally turn the tv to another channel when he's on, but would support the proposal above. Scientists appear to be linking the surge in infections in England to both the Delta variant and a number of the trials with crowds.

All the people waiting for operations/treatment for many other conditions, such as cancer, do not deserve to be sacrificed by allowing the NHS to be over-run by covid again. The BMA urged the Government this week to rethink its plan to relax all restrictions owing to the surge in COVID-19 infection rates, just one day ago.

The infections from trials were small in 1st lot of trials out of 53k spectators around 153 tested positive? Best will in world cancelling the lifting of restrictions is a recipe for disaster regarding compliance by people especially younger ones.... as for drakeford sorry he cannot make a decision to save his life he wants to wait until it's ok or boris gets something wrong then smugly tells us he was correct in his slowly slowly backwards stance? ( did u know ice rinks in England were opened in may but are still closed in wales along with other establishments) The best indicator is deaths from covid and they are ruining at 2 or 3 a week in wales and around 30 in England covid is here to stay in medium term need to live with it and get the majority of sensible people especially the young ones vaccinated to break cycle of infection..... otherwise we will be restricted until next spring as winter flu ect is expected to be bad this winter it doesn't bother me about lockdown until next year but sure vast majority of people wont tolerate it...

post by blue lagoon » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm

My take is this and that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Slow and steady is the way. ...season ticket holders only. Show your 2 jab id perhaps??? Just temporary till we get through this.

Not a fan of Drakeford and normally turn the tv to another channel when he's on, but would support the proposal above. Scientists appear to be linking the surge in infections in England to both the Delta variant and a number of the trials with crowds.

All the people waiting for operations/treatment for many other conditions, such as cancer, do not deserve to be sacrificed by allowing the NHS to be over-run by covid again. The BMA urged the Government this week to rethink its plan to relax all restrictions owing to the surge in COVID-19 infection rates, just one day ago.

The infections from trials were small in 1st lot of trials out of 53k spectators around 153 tested positive? Best will in world cancelling the lifting of restrictions is a recipe for disaster regarding compliance by people especially younger ones.... as for drakeford sorry he cannot make a decision to save his life he wants to wait until it's ok or boris gets something wrong then smugly tells us he was correct in his slowly slowly backwards stance? ( did u know ice rinks in England were opened in may but are still closed in wales along with other establishments) The best indicator is deaths from covid and they are ruining at 2 or 3 a week in wales and around 30 in England covid is here to stay in medium term need to live with it and get the majority of sensible people especially the young ones vaccinated to break cycle of infection..... otherwise we will be restricted until next spring as winter flu ect is expected to be bad this winter it doesn't bother me about lockdown until next year but sure vast majority of people wont tolerate it...

Ps was told there is enough space at ccs to hold all st holders if ground fully opened only if drakeford doesnt put in tighter restrictions than proposed by boris?. And that is a distinct possibility after reading WG statements today.

I see Sir Sven is in the house and spouting his grand superior wisdom.

My take is this and that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Slow and steady is the way. Its only football ffs, season ticket holders only. Show your 2 jab id perhaps??? Jusst temporary till we get through this.

Totally agree with you skinflint.....the needs of the many outweigh the few....right. So why in the last 18 months have the National Covid Service totally ignored, with contempt I may add, the citizens of thier own country? They have looked after the few......not the MANY.

These are genuine people who have paid their hard earned into NI contributions, who have been kicked down the road. Why?

We will not see the price paid because the truth is too scary, but if you believe that people should be sidelined because of a media bias you are a sad person. Unfortunately we will all pay the price for this hysteria.

by pembroke allan » Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:55 pm

Scoularite wrote:
post by blue lagoon » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm

My take is this and that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Slow and steady is the way. ...season ticket holders only. Show your 2 jab id perhaps??? Just temporary till we get through this.


Not a fan of Drakeford and normally turn the tv to another channel when he's on, but would support the proposal above. Scientists appear to be linking the surge in infections in England to both the Delta variant and a number of the trials with crowds.

All the people waiting for operations/treatment for many other conditions, such as cancer, do not deserve to be sacrificed by allowing the NHS to be over-run by covid again. The BMA urged the Government this week to rethink its plan to relax all restrictions owing to the surge in COVID-19 infection rates, just one day ago.



The infections from trials were small in 1st lot of trials out of 53k spectators around 153 tested positive? Best will in world cancelling the lifting of restrictions is a recipe for disaster regarding compliance by people especially younger ones.... as for drakeford sorry he cannot make a decision to save his life he wants to wait until it's ok or boris gets something wrong then smugly tells us he was correct in his slowly slowly backwards stance? ( did u know ice rinks in England were opened in may but are still closed in wales along with other establishments) The best indicator is deaths from covid and they are ruining at 2 or 3 a week in wales and around 30 in England covid is here to stay in medium term need to live with it and get the majority of sensible people especially the young ones vaccinated to break cycle of infection..... otherwise we will be restricted until next spring as winter flu ect is expected to be bad this winter it doesn't bother me about lockdown until next year but sure vast majority of people wont tolerate it...

Ps was told there is enough space at ccs to hold all st holders if ground fully opened only if drakeford doesnt put in tighter restrictions than proposed by boris?. And that is a distinct possibility after reading WG statements today.

You're right about the actual trials, and I should have said that the subsequent UK government decisions about fans either travelling to matches or going to local events watching the matches are believed to have caused the spike, not just in England, but across Europe, according to the WHO.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has blamed Euro 2020 for a rise in COVID-19 cases across Europe ahead of the start of the quarter-finals of the tournament.

WHO said the mixing of crowds at the football competition in host cities, as well as travelling and easing of social restrictions, had driven up the number of new cases by ten per cent.

by pembroke allan » Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:55 pm

Scoularite wrote:
post by blue lagoon » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:56 pm

My take is this and that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Slow and steady is the way. ...season ticket holders only. Show your 2 jab id perhaps??? Just temporary till we get through this.


Not a fan of Drakeford and normally turn the tv to another channel when he's on, but would support the proposal above. Scientists appear to be linking the surge in infections in England to both the Delta variant and a number of the trials with crowds.

All the people waiting for operations/treatment for many other conditions, such as cancer, do not deserve to be sacrificed by allowing the NHS to be over-run by covid again. The BMA urged the Government this week to rethink its plan to relax all restrictions owing to the surge in COVID-19 infection rates, just one day ago.



The infections from trials were small in 1st lot of trials out of 53k spectators around 153 tested positive? Best will in world cancelling the lifting of restrictions is a recipe for disaster regarding compliance by people especially younger ones.... as for drakeford sorry he cannot make a decision to save his life he wants to wait until it's ok or boris gets something wrong then smugly tells us he was correct in his slowly slowly backwards stance? ( did u know ice rinks in England were opened in may but are still closed in wales along with other establishments) The best indicator is deaths from covid and they are ruining at 2 or 3 a week in wales and around 30 in England covid is here to stay in medium term need to live with it and get the majority of sensible people especially the young ones vaccinated to break cycle of infection..... otherwise we will be restricted until next spring as winter flu ect is expected to be bad this winter it doesn't bother me about lockdown until next year but sure vast majority of people wont tolerate it...

Ps was told there is enough space at ccs to hold all st holders if ground fully opened only if drakeford doesnt put in tighter restrictions than proposed by boris?. And that is a distinct possibility after reading WG statements today.

You're right about the actual trials, and I should have said that the subsequent UK government decisions about fans either travelling to matches or going to local events watching the matches are believed to have caused the spike, not just in England, but across Europe, according to the WHO.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has blamed Euro 2020 for a rise in COVID-19 cases across Europe ahead of the start of the quarter-finals of the tournament.

WHO said the mixing of crowds at the football competition in host cities, as well as travelling and easing of social restrictions, had driven up the number of new cases by ten per cent.

Was on the rise before euro 20 mainly because EU countries cannot get their act together... but euro 20 hadn't helped thats for sure if only because it encouraged crowd gathering as i witnessed in London Wednesday ...... but as I've said it's now to lift restrictions or it will be next year if go by the experts doomsday scenario on respiratory
diseases this winter? But noticed more and more so called experts are joining in about lifting restrictions ? Being the sceptic I am there are a lot people making money out of keeping covid going so its in their interest to be negative on lifting restrictions.

Mark Drakeford and other Devolution MP,s in NI ,Scotland and Wales are simply Div 1 politicians who failed to make the grade but are a step up from Div2 councillors

Is there anything stopping us playing home games in England if Drakeford doesn’t allow 100% crowds as England plan to?

If us, Jacks, Newport and the rugby sides pledged to do that it would put huge reassure on WAG to allow big crowds. To the extent that we would likely never actually have to do it.

Is there anything stopping us playing home games in England if Drakeford doesn’t allow 100% crowds as England plan to?

If us, Jacks, Newport and the rugby sides pledged to do that it would put huge reassure on WAG to allow big crowds. To the extent that we would likely never actually have to do it.

Seriously...?

Wouldn’t want to do it but club finances are clearly in the toilet and another season of no/limited crowds will hurt us badly.

As I said the second we announced it (especially if we were joined by others) it would be hugely embarrassing for Drakeford and WAG and I’m certain the back-pedalling would begin and we would have decent crowds at CCS

Posted other day that expert says should lift lockdown but since then WG as got out the big guns and are putting out overtones that lockdown wont be lifted just yet they are scared of covid mutating ? They really saying don't want to lift it until covid is gone...

Posted other day that expert says should lift lockdown but since then WG as got out the big guns and are putting out overtones that lockdown wont be lifted just yet they are scared of covid mutating ? They really saying don't want to lift it until covid is gone...

That's exactly what they're saying. They have said that restrictions must remain whilst covid is a threat to people's health.

Well that will always be the case and covid will never be gone forever.

Now looking for any excuse to drag out the restrictions - there "may" be lots of people needing hospitalisation, there "may" be new variants that the vaccine doesn't work against, there "may" be an increase in deaths etc etc

There "may" e a new virus that comes along in 2097 that's even worse than covid so best keep everything restricted "just in case".

Oh and no mention of any of the myriad negative effects on people's physical and mental well being as the result of lockdowns and restrictions because the WAG has not acknowledged that such things exist at any time during this whole pandemic.

I see Sir Sven is in the house and spouting his grand superior wisdom.

My take is this and that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Slow and steady is the way. Its only football ffs, season ticket holders only. Show your 2 jab id perhaps??? Jusst temporary till we get through this.

Totally agree with you skinflint.....the needs of the many outweigh the few....right. So why in the last 18 months have the National Covid Service totally ignored, with contempt I may add, the citizens of thier own country? They have looked after the few......not the MANY.

These are genuine people who have paid their hard earned into NI contributions, who have been kicked down the road. Why?

We will not see the price paid because the truth is too scary, but if you believe that people should be sidelined because of a media bias you are a sad person. Unfortunately we will all pay the price for this hysteria.

when the first lockdown was announced Hancock was asked about adverse effects on other NHS patients and other deaths which would result from covid restrictions...he did not know and openly said they had not been a factor
now...we are being told waiting lists might go as high as 13 million.....
all while public opinion is pushing to continue with caution.. people seriously need to take a step back...
2 close members of my family would 100% not be here today had coronaphobia hit 18 months earlier... and ive got my fingers crossed none of us needs the NHS until this is done...

Posted other day that expert says should lift lockdown but since then WG as got out the big guns and are putting out overtones that lockdown wont be lifted just yet they are scared of covid mutating ? They really saying don't want to lift it until covid is gone...

That's exactly what they're saying. They have said that restrictions must remain whilst covid is a threat to people's health.

Well that will always be the case and covid will never be gone forever.

Now looking for any excuse to drag out the restrictions - there "may" be lots of people needing hospitalisation, there "may" be new variants that the vaccine doesn't work against, there "may" be an increase in deaths etc etc

There "may" e a new virus that comes along in 2097 that's even worse than covid so best keep everything restricted "just in case".

Oh and no mention of any of the myriad negative effects on people's physical and mental well being as the result of lockdowns and restrictions because the WAG has not acknowledged that such things exist at any time during this whole pandemic.

I can understand WAG's cautious approach to a large extent and anyone suffering from Covid-19 and Long Covid will attest; but if ever there was a time for a 'national' approach, it is now...

Not to do so will just confuse matters further and give some people the excuse they need to make up their own rules based on the actions of others around the UK

Personally, I believe it is time to move on and get this country, specifically the UK, in to economic recovery mode but this should be tempered with the maintaining of face masks in public spaces where unavoidable close contact is avoidable

Eradicating this disease is not going to happen, so intelligent management is the to go to Steps 2 and 3 of the management process and both control and isolate as best as we can

Posted other day that expert says should lift lockdown but since then WG as got out the big guns and are putting out overtones that lockdown wont be lifted just yet they are scared of covid mutating ? They really saying don't want to lift it until covid is gone...

That's exactly what they're saying. They have said that restrictions must remain whilst covid is a threat to people's health.

Well that will always be the case and covid will never be gone forever.

Now looking for any excuse to drag out the restrictions - there "may" be lots of people needing hospitalisation, there "may" be new variants that the vaccine doesn't work against, there "may" be an increase in deaths etc etc

There "may" e a new virus that comes along in 2097 that's even worse than covid so best keep everything restricted "just in case".

Oh and no mention of any of the myriad negative effects on people's physical and mental well being as the result of lockdowns and restrictions because the WAG has not acknowledged that such things exist at any time during this whole pandemic.

Funny thing is people have been blinded by the hype of how well WG have controlled the virus ect ect and drakefords slowly backwards stance..... they think hes a hero compared to boris? Drakeford believes in his own press and loves the adoration hes getting from the people who are actually worse effected by lockdown and that is the elderly and sick who are going to die waiting for restrictions in hospitals to be lifted while he thinks about what to do next .......wales still have restrictions that England eased in may but they've gone under radar as they're minority establishments..... but agree face masks should still be mandatory in shops transport hospitals ?
Boris's Voluntary use is useless and will cause problems unessasraly lift restrictions completely or keep present restrictions on there use.

I see Sir Sven is in the house and spouting his grand superior wisdom.

My take is this and that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Slow and steady is the way. Its only football ffs, season ticket holders only. Show your 2 jab id perhaps??? Jusst temporary till we get through this.

Ha ha!

Apologies, I've been away and only fleeting visits to your comedy show, so missed your latest sketch...

Sir Sven?

Someone of equal low esteem and prose has called me that before, so I'm thinking you definitely been here before under another names or names

What a retort! You must have been up all night thinking that one up; and all it's done is show you up for the unthinking, shallow, jealous of others person that you are...

What date you flying out to your Florida manse, fella...?

Posted other day that expert says should lift lockdown but since then WG as got out the big guns and are putting out overtones that lockdown wont be lifted just yet they are scared of covid mutating ? They really saying don't want to lift it until covid is gone...

That's exactly what they're saying. They have said that restrictions must remain whilst covid is a threat to people's health.

Well that will always be the case and covid will never be gone forever.

Now looking for any excuse to drag out the restrictions - there "may" be lots of people needing hospitalisation, there "may" be new variants that the vaccine doesn't work against, there "may" be an increase in deaths etc etc

There "may" e a new virus that comes along in 2097 that's even worse than covid so best keep everything restricted "just in case".

Oh and no mention of any of the myriad negative effects on people's physical and mental well being as the result of lockdowns and restrictions because the WAG has not acknowledged that such things exist at any time during this whole pandemic.

I can understand WAG's cautious approach to a large extent and anyone suffering from Covid-19 and Long Covid will attest; but if ever there was a time for a 'national' approach, it is now...

Not to do so will just confuse matters further and give some people the excuse they need to make up their own rules based on the actions of others around the UK

Personally, I believe it is time to move on and get this country, specifically the UK, in to economic recovery mode but this should be tempered with the maintaining of face masks in public spaces where unavoidable close contact is avoidable

Eradicating this disease is not going to happen, so intelligent management is the to go to Steps 2 and 3 of the management process and both control and isolate as best as we can

i cant say this enough....there are literally thousands suffering and can attest to suffering from all sorts of ailments for every one suffering covid.... its not made up its a fact.... yet caution over covid trumps all....its not fair, not right and certainly not sensible... for all the lockdowns/ restrictions they are predicting millions upon millions of cases this summer..predictions which will no doubt be repeated in the autumn , winter and next spring...... so all these millions having given up all this freedom end up with something they can catch , pass on and die from vaccinated or not... ? only mary next door is dead and dai around the corner is dead neither had covid and would probably not be had it not been for the hysteria.... its criminal....