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Leicester

Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:32 pm

Unbelievable what they have achieved the past few seasons gutting to think why didn’t we push on like them steady prem club playing in Europe surely tan takes interest

Re: Leicester

Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:22 pm

I don’t think what Leicester managed could’ve been matched by us, even if Tan had kept investing like he did during the rebrand years. Vichai was worth something like 5x more than Tan I think.
Also even 10 years ago before their recent success, Leicester were a bigger team than us.

Re: Leicester

Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:24 pm

keano wrote:Unbelievable what they have achieved the past few seasons gutting to think why didn’t we push on like them steady prem club playing in Europe surely tan takes interest



Maybe he does but owners massively richer than tan if u remember they sacked Pearson season after producing a miracle to keep them up and ranieri won league with basically same side Pearson had.... but fortunately they had something we lack and that was a long term plan... recently opened £100m training complex whilst we are doing great with houses of sport ect locals are dead set against training facilities in their back yard something Leicester didn't have hence still waiting to get it done.

Re: Leicester

Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:57 am

What's happened at Leicester has been brilliant and would love for it to happen to us. Same has fans of another 20/30 clubs particularly fans of Coventry Blackburn Pomey

Re: Leicester

Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:42 am

Pencoed wrote:What's happened at Leicester has been brilliant and would love for it to happen to us. Same has fans of another 20/30 clubs particularly fans of Coventry Blackburn Pomey



Yes there are lots of clubs fans that want to be like a relatively successful club.... but unfortunately football doesn't work like that takes luck good planning and good management with a bit of money to help it along..

Re: Leicester

Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:36 pm

They have done brilliant.

This is due to solid investment.

Another big factor is you always need a bit of luck.

They were close to going down when Pearson was in charge and if they had then things would have worked out differently.

Ranieri performed miracles and things would have been different if he'd struggled to get his message through to the players.



Rodgers was also a gamble. Won a lot at Celtic but struggled when he was at Liverpool.

In the end, he's done an outstanding job there.

At some point he'll get a move to a bigger club, he already turned down Spurs. A lot of chatter that Man Utd are looking at him if Ole doesn't win anything this season.


A big test for them will be who they replace him with. One bad appointment and things could fall apart. They are the closest to City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool but that gap is already getting bigger.


They also have the issue that Vardy is approaching retirement.

Re: Leicester

Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:13 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:They have done brilliant.

This is due to solid investment.

Another big factor is you always need a bit of luck.

They were close to going down when Pearson was in charge and if they had then things would have worked out differently.

Ranieri performed miracles and things would have been different if he'd struggled to get his message through to the players.



Rodgers was also a gamble. Won a lot at Celtic but struggled when he was at Liverpool.

In the end, he's done an outstanding job there.

At some point he'll get a move to a bigger club, he already turned down Spurs. A lot of chatter that Man Utd are looking at him if Ole doesn't win anything this season.


A big test for them will be who they replace him with. One bad appointment and things could fall apart. They are the closest to City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool but that gap is already getting bigger.


They also have the issue that Vardy is approaching retirement.



Like most teams they rely on little bit luck here and there.....rinerie was known as the tinker man for always changing his team but kept faith with what he inherited got system right and that was that.... lose Rogers will they be as lucky with new manager? As for vardy already brought in replacement for him who played last night... hard to compare clubs as lots of variables effect the success of club.

Re: Leicester

Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:26 pm

Leicester haven't just come from no wherethey are amongst a whole host of clubs who have spent over 50 years each in the top division derby forest Brum wba wolves Leeds etc etc the foundations are always there . Cardiff on the other hand are in the Wales and west region which the countrys least successful area us 17 seasons top flight Bristol and jack's 9 seasons none of the other clubs have ever played top flight football. Not saying it's always got to be this way but we are in a football backwater

Re: Leicester

Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:41 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Pencoed wrote:What's happened at Leicester has been brilliant and would love for it to happen to us. Same has fans of another 20/30 clubs particularly fans of Coventry Blackburn Pomey



Yes there are lots of clubs fans that want to be like a relatively successful club.... but unfortunately football doesn't work like that takes luck good planning and good management with a bit of money to help it along..



Oh and going into administration straight after building new ground certainly helped :D

Re: Leicester

Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:36 am

The most impressive bit, and the biggest difference from us, has been that they've built on it. Winning the title was one thing but they have become a consistent side competing for European places and the main reason is recruitment.

Yes they got a bit lucky with Mahrez and Kante but they've replaced them. And others. Maguire, Chilwell. When we signed Murphy from Norwich, Leicester signed Maddison from Norwich too. Tielmans and would get in to any squad. And Chilwell and Barnes have come through their Academy.

Brand of football and manager all helps too.

Re: Leicester

Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:04 am

I take the point of the OP that Leicester have done brilliantly in recent years but we shouldn't down play our achivements neither.

Football League Champions, Football League Runners' up, FA Cup Final, Play-Off Final, League Cup Final, numerous play off qualifications and 2 years of PL football.

We have a fantastic new(ish) ground and our academy is starting to produce good local players again.

Most importantly we haven't faced any court winding up orders for over 10 years so the club has stabilised financially even if it is still heavily indebt to the owner.

Re: Leicester

Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:17 am

Leicester have ticked all the boxes. Had a bit of luck too but they are the minority. Look at all the other clubs that have invested, namely Derby. You can look at the glass half empty or half full.

Re: Leicester

Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:54 am

Our problem has been with the performance of Dalman and Choo. Vincent Tan backed them financially but we have failed to move forward. In fact, I feel that we have moved backwards which has been demonstrated by the type of managers we have appointed. Mick may be honest in his approach, but how many of us would have picked him as a way of moving the club forward?

Re: Leicester

Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:08 am

pembroke allan wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Pencoed wrote:What's happened at Leicester has been brilliant and would love for it to happen to us. Same has fans of another 20/30 clubs particularly fans of Coventry Blackburn Pomey



Yes there are lots of clubs fans that want to be like a relatively successful club.... but unfortunately football doesn't work like that takes luck good planning and good management with a bit of money to help it along..



Oh and going into administration straight after building new ground certainly helped :D
Exactly. I think their Premier League win was fantastic and have nothing but admiration for it but they started with a clean slate and no debt and this helped them get into the Premier League, just like Southampton. We were already 50 million in debt -if you believe the figures- when Tan took over and this has grown steadily.

Re: Leicester

Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:54 pm

Scoularite wrote:Our problem has been with the performance of Dalman and Choo. Vincent Tan backed them financially but we have failed to move forward. In fact, I feel that we have moved backwards which has been demonstrated by the type of managers we have appointed. Mick may be honest in his approach, but how many of us would have picked him as a way of moving the club forward?


Spot on about Dalman and Choo. I can't comprehend they have stayed in their posts as long as they have. Tongues so far up Tan's ****. They are half of our transfer committee!!!!!

Re: Leicester

Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:17 pm

Its simple better owners who love football and have people in the club who know football as Tan does the opposite. The Leicester owner never wanted to change the colour of the club or any traditions just to make it more successful and they done it, the father then died in that terrible Helicopter crash and the son for the love of his father continued.

The scenes on their FA cup win was class and showed a great team of owners manager coaches and players all together.

Tan is a problem sadly is a business toy of his and he knows nothing about the Toy and keeps people in charge who also knows nothing about the Toy and sadly the toy is us and our club we love we can only dream we will ever be half as good Leicester

Re: Leicester

Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:22 pm

valleyrambill wrote:Its simple better owners who love football and have people in the club who know football as Tan does the opposite. The Leicester owner never wanted to change the colour of the club or any traditions just to make it more successful and they done it, the father then died in that terrible Helicopter crash and the son for the love of his father continued.

The scenes on their FA cup win was class and showed a great team of owners manager coaches and players all together.

Tan is a problem sadly is a business toy of his and he knows nothing about the Toy and keeps people in charge who also knows nothing about the Toy and sadly the toy is us and our club we love we can only dream we will ever be half as good Leicester




All that is after they manipulated administration so that they had new stadium and paid sfa for it ....the owners you refer to had a clean slate to build on tan had 50m+ debt on takeover plus club was losing money.... yes tan as made mistakes time after time but one thing hasnt done is screw the club like others have done or like Leicester did to those that built their stadium ect.
Leicesters owners are brilliant and would love to have similar at city but dont paint the club as role model for city because they've only achieved it by screwing people financially....