OT: UK COVID RESPONSE "WORST EVER"

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Re: OT: UK COVID RESPONSE "WORST EVER"

Postby ReesWestonSuperMare » Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:40 am

The World Health Organisation originally said no need for face masks - we followed suit. Then WHO said wear face masks- we followed suit. All politicians did was try and follow the scientific advice as much as possible. The problem is perhaps we listened too much to the various scientific and medical officers - what we should have done is listen to the Italians in Bergamo - who just said - lock down now and prepare for a bad time.

If we had done that - the same people would then have said - we shut down too soon and caused economic carnage. Depending on your political view point it is very very easy to carp on from the side lines. I never knew I had so many mates on facebook that suddenly become global pandemic experts who also sidelined in being a virologist......

Whoever was in charge would have have made decisions on the best UK evidence available. Dont follow that and you are accused of not following the experts advice or follow that advice and be accused of getting it wrong.

Hospitals full of OAP's caused bed blocking - so the last place you want them is in hospital - you have to get them out and somewhere else - as it was believed (rightly) that we would need thousands and thousands of beds , PPE, ventilators etc. So we got the OAPs out of hospital and put them back into care homes. If they had stayed in hospital - then the politicians would be accused of not having enough beds.

There were no tests available during the first wave - so it was totally just by hearsay and symptoms re the spread.

With 20/20 hindsight (which no one has) - there was still no way to square the circle of need over capacity.
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Re: OT: UK COVID RESPONSE "WORST EVER"

Postby piledriver64 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:53 am

ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:The World Health Organisation originally said no need for face masks - we followed suit. Then WHO said wear face masks- we followed suit. All politicians did was try and follow the scientific advice as much as possible. The problem is perhaps we listened too much to the various scientific and medical officers - what we should have done is listen to the Italians in Bergamo - who just said - lock down now and prepare for a bad time.

If we had done that - the same people would then have said - we shut down too soon and caused economic carnage. Depending on your political view point it is very very easy to carp on from the side lines. I never knew I had so many mates on facebook that suddenly become global pandemic experts who also sidelined in being a virologist......

Whoever was in charge would have have made decisions on the best UK evidence available. Dont follow that and you are accused of not following the experts advice or follow that advice and be accused of getting it wrong.

Hospitals full of OAP's caused bed blocking - so the last place you want them is in hospital - you have to get them out and somewhere else - as it was believed (rightly) that we would need thousands and thousands of beds , PPE, ventilators etc. So we got the OAPs out of hospital and put them back into care homes. If they had stayed in hospital - then the politicians would be accused of not having enough beds.

There were no tests available during the first wave - so it was totally just by hearsay and symptoms re the spread.

With 20/20 hindsight (which no one has) - there was still no way to square the circle of need over capacity.


But it's not just about the decisions made during the pandemic.

As I mentioned earlier the NHS had been flagging up the lack of PPE stock being held for the last 3-4 years. They knew a pandemic was coming just didn't know what the virus would be. The government were warned but decided to save the money resulting in massive issues in hospitals, ambulances, care homes, etc.

I would want to pick you up on what you've said. Your almost flippant comment about the older part of our population:

"Hospitals full of OAP's caused bed blocking - so the last place you want them is in hospital - you have to get them out and somewhere else - as it was believed (rightly) that we would need thousands and thousands of beds , PPE, ventilators etc. So we got the OAPs out of hospital and put them back into care homes. If they had stayed in hospital - then the politicians would be accused of not having enough beds."

Really :o So no matter what the cost to their health, or the care homes they were going to, we had to get them out :shock: I take it that you don't have or haven't had elderly relatives in that position. Just because they are old and frail doesn't mean they should be thrown out with little concern for their safety, if you are of that view then you could probably get a job in Boris' cabinet :banghead:

As for "the politicians would be accused of not having enough beds", well the fact is , again, we've know for the last 10 years that we haven't got enough beds in the NHS so why shouldn't we criticise the government for that ? There is, and has been, no spare bed capacity which is why we can't even cope with the flu epidemic every year never mind a pandemic.

The politicians have to be held to account. It's pretty well accepted that this will happen again and we have to prepare. Hopefully, they will now rectify that, albeit too late for so many families who have lost as a result of this current pandemic.
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Re: OT: UK COVID RESPONSE "WORST EVER"

Postby Scoularite » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:56 pm

Re: OT: UK COVID RESPONSE "WORST EVER"
Unread postby ReesWestonSuperMare » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:40 am

The World Health Organisation originally said no need for face masks - we followed suit. Then WHO said wear face masks- we followed suit. All politicians did was try and follow the scientific advice as much as possible. The problem is perhaps we listened too much to the various scientific and medical officers - what we should have done is listen to the Italians in Bergamo - who just said - lock down now and prepare for a bad time.

If we had done that - the same people would then have said - we shut down too soon and caused economic carnage. Depending on your political view point it is very very easy to carp on from the side lines. I never knew I had so many mates on facebook that suddenly become global pandemic experts who also sidelined in being a virologist......

Whoever was in charge would have have made decisions on the best UK evidence available. Dont follow that and you are accused of not following the experts advice or follow that advice and be accused of getting it wrong.

Hospitals full of OAP's caused bed blocking - so the last place you want them is in hospital - you have to get them out and somewhere else - as it was believed (rightly) that we would need thousands and thousands of beds , PPE, ventilators etc. So we got the OAPs out of hospital and put them back into care homes. If they had stayed in hospital - then the politicians would be accused of not having enough beds.

There were no tests available during the first wave - so it was totally just by hearsay and symptoms re the spread.

With 20/20 hindsight (which no one has) - there was still no way to square the circle of need over capacity.


It would appear that the claim about the WHO was not true. according to a subsequent report by Reuters:

Fact check: The World Health Organization did not change advice to say masks are not necessary
By Reuters Staff


A website screenshot being shared on Facebook has falsely claimed that the World Health Organization (WHO) said in a January 2021 press conference that it was advising people without symptoms of coronavirus not to wear face masks.

Reuters Fact Check. REUTERS/Axel Schmidt

The screenshot was taken from a WordPress blog that has posted other unsubstantiated claims(here). On Jan. 25, an entry headlined “WHO: You do NOT need to wear a mask” was posted to the site, claiming the WHO had there was no medical reason to support the wearing of masks outside hospital (here). The post added that the comments were made during a press conference on Jan. 22, before linking to the WHO’s video page (http://www.who.int).

“In a telling admission made on January 22, 2021, the World Health Organization now say there is no scientific medical reason for any healthy person to wear a mask outside of a hospital,” the post read. “Sadly, our corrupt politicians and mainstream media only relate the bad news.

“If you do not have any respiratory symptoms, such as fever, cough, or runny nose, you do not need to wear a medical mask. When used alone, masks can give you a false feeling of protection and can even be a source of infection when not used correctly.”

This is not true. There was no such comment made during the Jan. 22 press conference, nor is this in line with the WHO’s guidance.

In fact, in response to a question on Jan. 22 about the efficacy of masks in the face of new COVID-19 variants, the WHO’s technical lead on COVID-19, Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, said they were “one aspect of control” that helps reduce transmission in conjunction with other measures.

She said: “They can’t be used alone, so we need to emphasise that because not one solution is enough. Not masks alone, not physical distancing, not hand hygiene – you’ve heard us say that quite a lot.”

Hopefully, the people in charge do not gather their key data from Blogs.
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