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Northwalesblues wrote:CONFUSED : Has Billionaire Tan ever had a plan?
When he took over in 2010 we possibly had our most talented squad ever, unluckily just missing promotion to the Premiership, then when we did get there he blew it, letting childish pride get rid of the best manager in our history, failing to learn from that second time lack of ambition ended in us losing our second best Manager. 10 years on we are playing a brand of football, I use the term loosely, that you’ll see better in the Conference.
Every member of this forum, if privileged to be a director would be “first in, last out” what we’ve got is an owner that appears to not even understand the rules of the game, a Chairman, who has no emotional interest in the club and is too wrapped up in his “bank manager” world to even be present at the club and Ken Choo, who I’m sure is a “good bloke” but unfortunately appears to be “mummies little helper”
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montyblue wrote:There will be a new derby next season shrewsbury town another shocking display but they game was won by the manager playing 5 at the back that said it all
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Forever Blue wrote:Replies FB:
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pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Replies FB:
Who brings in new owner? Not tans place to do it you need a buyer to come forward 1st? ..... oh so simple from behind social media
To say these things .....
Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:15 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Replies FB:
Who brings in new owner? Not tans place to do it you need a buyer to come forward 1st? ..... oh so simple from behind social media
To say these things .....
You know he has had 2 offers of late?
Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:22 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Replies FB:
Who brings in new owner? Not tans place to do it you need a buyer to come forward 1st? ..... oh so simple from behind social media
To say these things .....
You know he has had 2 offers of late?
Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:27 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Replies FB:
Who brings in new owner? Not tans place to do it you need a buyer to come forward 1st? ..... oh so simple from behind social media
To say these things .....
You know he has had 2 offers of late?
Yes apparently so? the one I wouldn't trust to buy 2nd hand car off and other apparently didn't like look of accounts... like said oh so simple to get a new owner ....
I want tan to go but not at any price or to 1st offer that comes along... as we've seen it is not simple a case of someone coming in and buying club.... Coventry had new owners after fans wanted previous one out and they got wish at cost of their ground.. other clubs with problems with new owners.... like say oh so simple..
Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:24 pm
by M4 Exile » Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:59 pm
Don’t even blame Tan that much to be honest.
His disastrous appointments Ole and Trollope, well Ole was as a result of Dalman pushing and Trollope had arguably earned the opportunity given the improvement in performances when he joined as head coach.
Malky most would say was a good appointment. Slade some people have decided in hindsight was a bad appointment but at the time had actually been gaining plaudits for attacking football at Leyton orient and winning manager of the year awards. Warnock again a good appointment. Neil Harris had taken Millwall as far as he could and had done a good job, he was destined to join a club at a similar level to us, so again a fair appointment. Mick McCarthy should have been an appointment similar to Warnock, an experienced championship operator who got us out of a relegation fight last year. The main mistake with MM being giving him a new contract before the end of the season.
People are demanding that he backs the manager financially, whenever he has done he has been burned. In 10 years of Tan ownership I can only think of Joe Mason and Zohore making profits when leaving the club. The only multi-million pound signings that we’ve made in this time who have been worth the net transfer outlay are probably Morrison and Manga.
What Tan does need to do however is swallow his pride and replace his mates the ‘committee’ with an actual sporting director, and maybe then we may see progress without having to make huge expenditure.
Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:35 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Replies FB:
Who brings in new owner? Not tans place to do it you need a buyer to come forward 1st? ..... oh so simple from behind social media
To say these things .....
You know he has had 2 offers of late?
Yes apparently so? the one I wouldn't trust to buy 2nd hand car off and other apparently didn't like look of accounts... like said oh so simple to get a new owner ....
I want tan to go but not at any price or to 1st offer that comes along... as we've seen it is not simple a case of someone coming in and buying club.... Coventry had new owners after fans wanted previous one out and they got wish at cost of their ground.. other clubs with problems with new owners.... like say oh so simple..
Well I would take him back. It was a far better club then and if what I am hearing about him is true then the issue he had before will not be an issue anymore.
Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:41 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Replies FB:
Who brings in new owner? Not tans place to do it you need a buyer to come forward 1st? ..... oh so simple from behind social media
To say these things .....
You know he has had 2 offers of late?
Yes apparently so? the one I wouldn't trust to buy 2nd hand car off and other apparently didn't like look of accounts... like said oh so simple to get a new owner ....
I want tan to go but not at any price or to 1st offer that comes along... as we've seen it is not simple a case of someone coming in and buying club.... Coventry had new owners after fans wanted previous one out and they got wish at cost of their ground.. other clubs with problems with new owners.... like say oh so simple..
Well I would take him back. It was a far better club then and if what I am hearing about him is true then the issue he had before will not be an issue anymore.
I would take him back in a heartbeat. What a lot of fans remember is the pain of Black Friday and the subsequent turmoil.
What they may have forgotten is that without that initial cash injection, enthusiasm, pure craziness and vision we would probably still be skulking around in Tier 4. Looking at today's piss poor effort we may be back there sooner than we think if the status quo remains.
Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:48 pm
Paulyblue wrote:Why the f.ck hasn't the club already come out with a statement saying that useless piece of shit has been sacked.
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GrangeEndStar wrote:We've needed a proven director of football from day one when VT bought us.
Dalman presently does this, and he's an investment banker, not a DOF & his time at Man U is not relevant to us. He appointed Ole as the answer and as much as I loved Neil Warnock, he was a sticking plaster, not the answer of appointing a manager and establishing a framework of a long term club wide philosophy of football, which should have been done 10 years ago. MM's appointment was the same and compounded this - another 'fire-fighting' appointment because of previous knee-jerk appointments and lack of long term strategy. And I agree with a previous poster, VT has been previously been burned when asked to back managers with budget, but the managerial appointments have been wrong as the root problem hasn't been addressed & VT ultimately relies on one person for 'footballing' decisions - Dalman.
Whilst VT needs to make a statement, Dalmans absence this season and present silence is deafening. He's a politician, flatters to deceive and plays to the gallery and is clearly the weakest link/bottleneck at crucial strategic board level. I've been told that VT and KC wants MM gone, but Dalman continues to defend him. Strange that.
Taking the sentiment out of it, VT supplies the capital (which he has done and continues to do) and appoints a board of executives to get a return on investment. He appointed a 'trusted' board and has continually got burned and has now lost interest. VT should clearly identify a DOF is needed and Dalman is not the answer, and should be sacked.
My concern is that the status quo remains which is a shame, as this should have played out so much differently.
But ahead of that, we are now in real trouble and for quite some time, I've been worried that we may have a perfect storm - poor side, poor manager, poor board and an owner that has lost interest and has appointed someone to rationalise Berjaya's portfolio.
In the absolute short term, the only glimmer of light I have was the Reading performance, where despite the result, I thought was a turning point for MM. I thought we would build on that today and am aghast on him reverting to a proven failure set up. The Reading game showed to me that you can get some sort of tune out of the current squad, MM did at Reading but for some reason chose not to today, so maybe Steve Morison could do so going forward as a fix, as I can't see anyone else of quality coming into the current set up but even he, like James Rowberry, who was apparently asked, may refuse to take on what is increasingly becoming a poison chalice.
What a mess.
Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:32 pm
pembroke allan wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:We've needed a proven director of football from day one when VT bought us.
Dalman presently does this, and he's an investment banker, not a DOF & his time at Man U is not relevant to us. He appointed Ole as the answer and as much as I loved Neil Warnock, he was a sticking plaster, not the answer of appointing a manager and establishing a framework of a long term club wide philosophy of football, which should have been done 10 years ago. MM's appointment was the same and compounded this - another 'fire-fighting' appointment because of previous knee-jerk appointments and lack of long term strategy. And I agree with a previous poster, VT has been previously been burned when asked to back managers with budget, but the managerial appointments have been wrong as the root problem hasn't been addressed & VT ultimately relies on one person for 'footballing' decisions - Dalman.
Whilst VT needs to make a statement, Dalmans absence this season and present silence is deafening. He's a politician, flatters to deceive and plays to the gallery and is clearly the weakest link/bottleneck at crucial strategic board level. I've been told that VT and KC wants MM gone, but Dalman continues to defend him. Strange that.
Taking the sentiment out of it, VT supplies the capital (which he has done and continues to do) and appoints a board of executives to get a return on investment. He appointed a 'trusted' board and has continually got burned and has now lost interest. VT should clearly identify a DOF is needed and Dalman is not the answer, and should be sacked.
My concern is that the status quo remains which is a shame, as this should have played out so much differently.
But ahead of that, we are now in real trouble and for quite some time, I've been worried that we may have a perfect storm - poor side, poor manager, poor board and an owner that has lost interest and has appointed someone to rationalise Berjaya's portfolio.
In the absolute short term, the only glimmer of light I have was the Reading performance, where despite the result, I thought was a turning point for MM. I thought we would build on that today and am aghast on him reverting to a proven failure set up. The Reading game showed to me that you can get some sort of tune out of the current squad, MM did at Reading but for some reason chose not to today, so maybe Steve Morison could do so going forward as a fix, as I can't see anyone else of quality coming into the current set up but even he, like James Rowberry, who was apparently asked, may refuse to take on what is increasingly becoming a poison chalice.
What a mess.
Steve morison has the under 24s playing good football so if he was to take temp charge can see the football improving and possibly show tan that long term planning is way forward for club not fire fighting dinosaurs he's employed at times let's hope MM is the last we sign.
Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:42 pm
GrangeEndStar wrote:pembroke allan wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:We've needed a proven director of football from day one when VT bought us.
Dalman presently does this, and he's an investment banker, not a DOF & his time at Man U is not relevant to us. He appointed Ole as the answer and as much as I loved Neil Warnock, he was a sticking plaster, not the answer of appointing a manager and establishing a framework of a long term club wide philosophy of football, which should have been done 10 years ago. MM's appointment was the same and compounded this - another 'fire-fighting' appointment because of previous knee-jerk appointments and lack of long term strategy. And I agree with a previous poster, VT has been previously been burned when asked to back managers with budget, but the managerial appointments have been wrong as the root problem hasn't been addressed & VT ultimately relies on one person for 'footballing' decisions - Dalman.
Whilst VT needs to make a statement, Dalmans absence this season and present silence is deafening. He's a politician, flatters to deceive and plays to the gallery and is clearly the weakest link/bottleneck at crucial strategic board level. I've been told that VT and KC wants MM gone, but Dalman continues to defend him. Strange that.
Taking the sentiment out of it, VT supplies the capital (which he has done and continues to do) and appoints a board of executives to get a return on investment. He appointed a 'trusted' board and has continually got burned and has now lost interest. VT should clearly identify a DOF is needed and Dalman is not the answer, and should be sacked.
My concern is that the status quo remains which is a shame, as this should have played out so much differently.
But ahead of that, we are now in real trouble and for quite some time, I've been worried that we may have a perfect storm - poor side, poor manager, poor board and an owner that has lost interest and has appointed someone to rationalise Berjaya's portfolio.
In the absolute short term, the only glimmer of light I have was the Reading performance, where despite the result, I thought was a turning point for MM. I thought we would build on that today and am aghast on him reverting to a proven failure set up. The Reading game showed to me that you can get some sort of tune out of the current squad, MM did at Reading but for some reason chose not to today, so maybe Steve Morison could do so going forward as a fix, as I can't see anyone else of quality coming into the current set up but even he, like James Rowberry, who was apparently asked, may refuse to take on what is increasingly becoming a poison chalice.
What a mess.
Steve morison has the under 24s playing good football so if he was to take temp charge can see the football improving and possibly show tan that long term planning is way forward for club not fire fighting dinosaurs he's employed at times let's hope MM is the last we sign.