castleblue wrote:wez1927 wrote:https://news.sky.com/story/emiliano-sala-man-who-organised-footballers-flight-goes-on-trial-12437074
Watching the updates on Walesonline he has pleaded not guilty and there have been some legal arguments which the judge has dismissed. Selecting a jury now. Surprised it's in Cardiff Crown Court. These charges are brought by the CAA and I wonder if he is found guilty if more serious charges will follow from the CPS.
Bakedalasker wrote:castleblue wrote:wez1927 wrote:https://news.sky.com/story/emiliano-sala-man-who-organised-footballers-flight-goes-on-trial-12437074
Watching the updates on Walesonline he has pleaded not guilty and there have been some legal arguments which the judge has dismissed. Selecting a jury now. Surprised it's in Cardiff Crown Court. These charges are brought by the CAA and I wonder if he is found guilty if more serious charges will follow from the CPS.
Found guilty after pleading not guilty will bring more serious charges. Imprisonment will be the verdict.
The CAS might make us pay Nantes and of so we could go after him. Problem is has the guy got £15m to pay us?
wez1927 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:castleblue wrote:wez1927 wrote:https://news.sky.com/story/emiliano-sala-man-who-organised-footballers-flight-goes-on-trial-12437074
Watching the updates on Walesonline he has pleaded not guilty and there have been some legal arguments which the judge has dismissed. Selecting a jury now. Surprised it's in Cardiff Crown Court. These charges are brought by the CAA and I wonder if he is found guilty if more serious charges will follow from the CPS.
Found guilty after pleading not guilty will bring more serious charges. Imprisonment will be the verdict.
The CAS might make us pay Nantes and of so we could go after him. Problem is has the guy got £15m to pay us?
If he's found guilty it means sala was put on an illegal flight by mckay who was nantes selling agent by arranging the transport nantes
are liable too , so i feel it will go in our favour ,I won't matter if hevwas our player or not ,nantes agent is involved .
pembroke allan wrote:Thanks paul for making a confusing subject a bit clearer... if read it right city were right to challenge things and not pay nante despite the clamour for some on here for club to do so.. its unfortunate but as you say it's a tragedy for his family and pilot aswell.
rumpo kid wrote:Thats right.. the duty is on Nantes FC to assess the competency of its Agents or Sub-Contarctors under due diligence.
wez1927 wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Thats right.. the duty is on Nantes FC to assess the competency of its Agents or Sub-Contarctors under due diligence.
Bang on the money, as soon as there selling agent arranged the flight then they became liable
Bakedalasker wrote:wez1927 wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Thats right.. the duty is on Nantes FC to assess the competency of its Agents or Sub-Contarctors under due diligence.
Bang on the money, as soon as there selling agent arranged the flight then they became liable
Not many people know that.
wez1927 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:wez1927 wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Thats right.. the duty is on Nantes FC to assess the competency of its Agents or Sub-Contarctors under due diligence.
Bang on the money, as soon as there selling agent arranged the flight then they became liable
Not many people know that.
It's been said online since the crash, the selling agent admitted they arranged the flight in text messages days after the flight .also published a letter and emails confirming they were employed by nantes not catdiff city as the selling agent.
piledriver64 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Thanks paul for making a confusing subject a bit clearer... if read it right city were right to challenge things and not pay nante despite the clamour for some on here for club to do so.. its unfortunate but as you say it's a tragedy for his family and pilot aswell.
There are a number of posters on here that have repeatedly, and vociferously, argued that we should just pay up and that the club were wasting money in challenging this.
Your very eloquent explanation just sets out why many of us have said all along that this needed to be tested in a court of law or similar tribunal.
We may well be found liable still for some, if not all, of the monies that are surround this "transfer". However, there is certainly a case to be argued and it doesn't just relate to the transfer fee part of the transaction. If there hadn't been a defence of any substance the opponents would have applied for a summary judgment months ago.
This all just got very interesting and could have lasting implications for either club depending on the outcome.
pembroke allan wrote:piledriver64 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Thanks paul for making a confusing subject a bit clearer... if read it right city were right to challenge things and not pay nante despite the clamour for some on here for club to do so.. its unfortunate but as you say it's a tragedy for his family and pilot aswell.
There are a number of posters on here that have repeatedly, and vociferously, argued that we should just pay up and that the club were wasting money in challenging this.
Your very eloquent explanation just sets out why many of us have said all along that this needed to be tested in a court of law or similar tribunal.
We may well be found liable still for some, if not all, of the monies that are surround this "transfer". However, there is certainly a case to be argued and it doesn't just relate to the transfer fee part of the transaction. If there hadn't been a defence of any substance the opponents would have applied for a summary judgment months ago.
This all just got very interesting and could have lasting implications for either club depending on the outcome.
Yes can expect CAS to find against city as their position is to judge the merits of contract....but then city can sue nante which as been explained by Paul very well.... people are very quick in condemning city at earliest opportunity on anything bad or derogatory instead of looking
at an alternative reason for their actions.. but suspect if CAS finds against city that be enough to start them off again regardless of bigger picture...
pembroke allan wrote:piledriver64 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Thanks paul for making a confusing subject a bit clearer... if read it right city were right to challenge things and not pay nante despite the clamour for some on here for club to do so.. its unfortunate but as you say it's a tragedy for his family and pilot aswell.
There are a number of posters on here that have repeatedly, and vociferously, argued that we should just pay up and that the club were wasting money in challenging this.
Your very eloquent explanation just sets out why many of us have said all along that this needed to be tested in a court of law or similar tribunal.
We may well be found liable still for some, if not all, of the monies that are surround this "transfer". However, there is certainly a case to be argued and it doesn't just relate to the transfer fee part of the transaction. If there hadn't been a defence of any substance the opponents would have applied for a summary judgment months ago.
This all just got very interesting and could have lasting implications for either club depending on the outcome.
Yes can expect CAS to find against city as their position is to judge the merits of contract....but then city can sue nante which as been explained by Paul very well.... people are very quick in condemning city at earliest opportunity on anything bad or derogatory instead of looking
at an alternative reason for their actions.. but suspect if CAS finds against city that be enough to start them off again regardless of bigger picture...
Lawnmower wrote:As usual the sensible thing is not to judge until everything is out in the open. Certainly not a couple of years ago and even not now either
Paul Keevil wrote:Just to answer a few points re CAS
Personally I expect us to lose this. On the basis that it relates to the contract and £15m sale only.
But then there is steps 2 and 3
Step 2 - Sue Nantes for £15m for being vicariously liable for actions of their agent
Step 3 - also sue Nantes for potential loss of profit (as above)
wez1927 wrote:Mccay has already admitted he was the selling agent for nantes ,also he admitted through Henderson that he also arrange the flight and it ties into what you said before that nantes could be liable for losses due to this, it doesn't matter if sala was registered as a catdiff player or not there selling agent was still involved with arranging the illegal transportation of sala after cardiff offered a legal commercial flight .
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