What was the condition of Ninian Park?
Our club shop. When did it even ever open?[/quote]
Whatever Hamman did when he took us over was ultimately undone before he left.All the questions you ask have nothing to do with Tan.And your first question right back at yer."Where were we just before Tan arrived."At least we still have a club to argue about.
If Derby don't find the 29m they owe the taxman they'll be wound up,no ifs or buts,or weeping fans will save them.That may well have be us in the past and I don't think we owed anything like 29m.(I can't remember the exact figure)I don't see the point in argueing further as your views are well known though I doubt there giving Tan any sleepless nights.[/quote]
So you never answered my questions
I rest my case.
As to saying it was all undone before he left, that was media bullshit 90% of it.
I have seen the facts not the media or hearsay .
But not answering my questions
I would of had some respect for you Martin, if you had just answered a few simple questions honestly.
As they say some people hate the truth and you are one of them.
Oh by the way £24mill with a squad worth £32mill left behind and outline planning costing £60mill all passed abd top of the Championship. ALL FACTS
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I said previously I admire your loyalty to Sam.
However, reading your final comments anyone would think there were no problems prior to or upon Sam leaving which even you know is plain wrong.
What about the the court cases (High and County) for monies owed by Sam’s regime, it was more than 15 at one point and way more over a period of time.
What about the fact that whilst you are correct about the outline planning permission the Cardiff City Council hade made it quite clear that they weren’t taking it any further whilst Sam was in charge as they couldn’t work with him ?
What about Black Friday or having to sell our best players season after season ?
What about HMRC and Winding Up orders ?
The club was a sleeping giant and Sam kicked it back to life, of that there can be no doubt. He should always be credited with that.
However, his time was up and Cardiff City may well have gone out of business if he hadn’t gone.
As I have said before. Let’s not re-write history, Sam stayed too long and we very nearly lost the club that we ALL love because of that.
By the way, for balance, Tan didn’t actually save us either in my opinion. Even after Sam went we were still up to our necks in debt, but it was when TG got involved things started to stabilise and he brought in Tan to dig us out of the financial hole we were in.
Whilst Tan is in charge we are financially stable as he has the finance to keep us, at least, alive.[/quote]
Sam ran out of funds due to Riddler , PMG etc back stabbing him and stopping him having the stadium .
Season after season selling players????????
One season and before Sam came we never even had players worth anything.
The ones you should be blaming are Paul Guy and Mike Hall who made over £100mill. Walked away not with a care in the world for our club.
But you don’t mention them because you only read the media lies.
HMRC never were a problem under Sam a fact???[/quote]
You are quite right to pull me up on not mentioning PMG and the Riddler, probably best I don't say what I think about them as they would probably claim it's libellous !! But I don't disagree with you on that point for sure.
Remember Sam left a squad worth beyond £millions and a club top of the Championship and all outline planing for the new stadium.
This current debt we have is made by Tan, No one else. He has controlled our club for nearly 12 years .
Sam admits he made mistakes.
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How much was that squad really worth?
They finished 13th that season. Never were going to stay up the top. No squad depth sadly as players like Earnie, Collins, Kav, Gabbiadon, Thorne had been sold. Where did that money go?
Again it was an absolute amazing ride under Sam but squad wise we were a lot poorer than we had been even 18 months before. We were still in Ninian Park, debt vs assets meant we were in a precarious position financially.
Absolutely PMG fucked Sam over. But they were only able to because of the mistakes Sam admitted he made. Very, very sad as had we made the premier league when we had Earnie, Gabbs etc I think we really could have built something lasting. Companies would have been gagging to get a spot near a premier league ground and the council wouldn’t have been so easily influenced by PMG.