Emiliano Sala Court Case Confirmed:

Emiliano Sala court date set for March 1st 2022


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Cardiff City's Court of Arbitration for Sport date for the hearing pertaining to Emiliano Sala has been set for March 1, 2022.

In October 2019, Cardiff were ordered to pay the overdue first €6m (£5.3m) instalment of the €17m total payable over three years, which was initially agreed with the French Ligue 1 club.

However, the Welsh club appealed to CAS against FIFA's ruling, believing Nantes were liable for the damages caused.

The initial CAS hearing was due to be heard in spring 2020, however the Covid-19 pandemic and other setbacks have pushed the hearing back.

Now, though, CAS have confirmed that the hearing will take place on St. David's Day this year.

If Cardiff lose this case it could cost the Welsh club up to £20million including court costs and lawyers.

Chairman Dalman has said that all the money has been put aside.

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Will love to see the cases being put forward by both sides when it goes to court.

I have a feeling it will be settled out of court for an undisclosed fee.

Emiliano Sala court date set for March 1st 2022


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Cardiff City's Court of Arbitration for Sport date for the hearing pertaining to Emiliano Sala has been set for March 1, 2022.

In October 2019, Cardiff were ordered to pay the overdue first €6m (£5.3m) instalment of the €17m total payable over three years, which was initially agreed with the French Ligue 1 club.

However, the Welsh club appealed to CAS against FIFA's ruling, believing Nantes were liable for the damages caused.

The initial CAS hearing was due to be heard in spring 2020, however the Covid-19 pandemic and other setbacks have pushed the hearing back.

Now, though, CAS have confirmed that the hearing will take place on St. David's Day this year.

If Cardiff lose this case it could cost the Welsh club up to £20million including court costs and lawyers.

Chairman Dalman has said that all the money has been put aside.

It will be interesting to see what will happen if (and it may well be quite a big if) we win the case and pay nothing and / or receive costs if it has a bearing on any purse strings being loosened re transfer funds.

Emiliano Sala court date set for March 1st 2022


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Cardiff City's Court of Arbitration for Sport date for the hearing pertaining to Emiliano Sala has been set for March 1, 2022.

In October 2019, Cardiff were ordered to pay the overdue first €6m (£5.3m) instalment of the €17m total payable over three years, which was initially agreed with the French Ligue 1 club.

However, the Welsh club appealed to CAS against FIFA's ruling, believing Nantes were liable for the damages caused.

The initial CAS hearing was due to be heard in spring 2020, however the Covid-19 pandemic and other setbacks have pushed the hearing back.

Now, though, CAS have confirmed that the hearing will take place on St. David's Day this year.

If Cardiff lose this case it could cost the Welsh club up to £20million including court costs and lawyers.

Chairman Dalman has said that all the money has been put aside.

It will be interesting to see what will happen if (and it may well be quite a big if) we win the case and pay nothing and / or receive costs if it has a bearing on any purse strings being loosened re transfer funds.

I have said as much myself 62r, it's already had an effect on this year's plans imho, £20m is a lot of money, if we have that put aside, and we win the case and pay out nothing, then it could be good news on the budget for any new additions covid has also had a big influence on the state of the club finances too, and more than some give credit for imho.
One way or the other, I'll b glad it will be over, one way or the other! It's out of our hands as fans, but could have a huge impact on the way we go next year I believe, happy ney year to you and yours mate

Will love to see the cases being put forward by both sides when it goes to court.

I have a feeling it will be settled out of court for an undisclosed fee.

No way is that going to happen, we will not budge, (and rightly so), and neither will Nante.
We will win this case

Will love to see the cases being put forward by both sides when it goes to court.

I have a feeling it will be settled out of court for an undisclosed fee.

No way is that going to happen, we will not budge, (and rightly so), and neither will Nante.
We will win this case

We have already lost the case ... This is the appeal to CAS.

I hope we win but unless there is new evidence that Sala was not legally our player or Nantes were fully responsible for his death (they weren't as the recent case decided) then I'm afraid we will lose the appeal.

Will love to see the cases being put forward by both sides when it goes to court.

I have a feeling it will be settled out of court for an undisclosed fee.

No way is that going to happen, we will not budge, (and rightly so), and neither will Nante.
We will win this case

We have already lost the case ... This is the appeal to CAS.

I hope we win but unless there is new evidence that Sala was not legally our player or Nantes were fully responsible for his death (they weren't as the recent case decided) then I'm afraid we will lose the appeal.

With respect, what is the point of the expensive exercise, if the club (City) don't believe they have a case?

Let's be honest here, very few of us (with one or two notable and 'in industry' exceptions) have any real idea what will occur. It's just 'guesstimates' based on what we (often) self-perceive to be the 'likely' outcome

Those with some idea and knowledge of the process and legalities involved, say that this could go either way and that the Bluebirds actually have some valid points that couldn't be considered under the previous adjudications, where there was an element of limitation on what could be accepted into the mix

CAS act in a completely different way, so there is a chance the club (nee Tan) could come away from this a lot better off than had he simply accepted the original ruling

Win the appeal = £19m back in the coffers

Partial win = £m's off the (current) bill

Loss = £19m loss (and al that entails)

The worse of those scenarios (lose completely) would see a strong possibility this club is set back many years in the process, if it hasn't been already

You may (eventually) turn out to be right in your assessment that 'we're stuffed' (polite version) before we start; but that won't be borne from any real knowledge you (or many others others) have in the mechanisms of the case itself and/or the options open to CAS

Nervy times ahead for all involved, supporters included, and I'm going to assume the worse in the hope it won't happen and anything up from there can be seen as a bonus

The City has allowed for completely losing the case in their finances. This has been reported by the club itself.

If we lose this case then we are under a transfer embargo I belive for 2 or 3 transfer windows ??

The City has allowed for completely losing the case in their finances. This has been reported by the club itself.

Yes, that has been said; but the current financial restraints don't support that and clearly the difference between loss and/or retention (or part there of) of the monies set aside will have a massive impact on next season's budget and beyond?

If we lose this case then we are under a transfer embargo I belive for 2 or 3 transfer windows ??

Why?

If the monies are 'set aside' and paid (immediately or via instalments) then why should we be further penalised?

Will love to see the cases being put forward by both sides when it goes to court.

I have a feeling it will be settled out of court for an undisclosed fee.

No way is that going to happen, we will not budge, (and rightly so), and neither will Nante.
We will win this case

We have already lost the case ... This is the appeal to CAS.

I hope we win but unless there is new evidence that Sala was not legally our player or Nantes were fully responsible for his death (they weren't as the recent case decided) then I'm afraid we will lose the appeal.

With respect, what is the point of the expensive exercise, if the club (City) don't believe they have a case?

Let's be honest here, very few of us (with one or two notable and 'in industry' exceptions) have any real idea what will occur. It's just 'guesstimates' based on what we (often) self-perceive to be the 'likely' outcome

Those with some idea and knowledge of the process and legalities involved, say that this could go either way and that the Bluebirds actually have some valid points that couldn't be considered under the previous adjudications, where there was an element of limitation on what could be accepted into the mix

CAS act in a completely different way, so there is a chance the club (nee Tan) could come away from this a lot better off than had he simply accepted the original ruling

Win the appeal = £19m back in the coffers

Partial win = £m's off the (current) bill

Loss = £19m loss (and al that entails)

The worse of those scenarios (lose completely) would see a strong possibility this club is set back many years in the process, if it hasn't been already

You may (eventually) turn out to be right in your assessment that 'we're stuffed' (polite version) before we start; but that won't be borne from any real knowledge you (or many others others) have in the mechanisms of the case itself and/or the options open to CAS

Nervy times ahead for all involved, supporters included, and I'm going to assume the worse in the hope it won't happen and anything up from there can be seen as a bonus

A few things about it Sven..

Appeals in cases like this are rarely successful, so we need to tapper expectations. However that is not to say we shouldn't be trying.

Also.. an this is speculation.. if we are going to make an insurance claim for the Sala fee, then insurance companies would be demanding that all other liabilities would have been litigated before they would even considering paying out.

Just speculation.. but let's see.

You're right of course.. if we win, then that would positively boost the situation for us ... Lose and we will embark on a whole load of challenging situations.

Will love to see the cases being put forward by both sides when it goes to court.

I have a feeling it will be settled out of court for an undisclosed fee.

No way is that going to happen, we will not budge, (and rightly so), and neither will Nante.
We will win this case

We have already lost the case ... This is the appeal to CAS.

I hope we win but unless there is new evidence that Sala was not legally our player or Nantes were fully responsible for his death (they weren't as the recent case decided) then I'm afraid we will lose the appeal.

With respect, what is the point of the expensive exercise, if the club (City) don't believe they have a case?

Let's be honest here, very few of us (with one or two notable and 'in industry' exceptions) have any real idea what will occur. It's just 'guesstimates' based on what we (often) self-perceive to be the 'likely' outcome

Those with some idea and knowledge of the process and legalities involved, say that this could go either way and that the Bluebirds actually have some valid points that couldn't be considered under the previous adjudications, where there was an element of limitation on what could be accepted into the mix

CAS act in a completely different way, so there is a chance the club (nee Tan) could come away from this a lot better off than had he simply accepted the original ruling

Win the appeal = £19m back in the coffers

Partial win = £m's off the (current) bill

Loss = £19m loss (and al that entails)

The worse of those scenarios (lose completely) would see a strong possibility this club is set back many years in the process, if it hasn't been already

You may (eventually) turn out to be right in your assessment that 'we're stuffed' (polite version) before we start; but that won't be borne from any real knowledge you (or many others others) have in the mechanisms of the case itself and/or the options open to CAS

Nervy times ahead for all involved, supporters included, and I'm going to assume the worse in the hope it won't happen and anything up from there can be seen as a bonus

A few things about it Sven..

Appeals in cases like this are rarely successful, so we need to tapper expectations. However that is not to say we shouldn't be trying.

Also.. an this is speculation.. if we are going to make an insurance claim for the Sala fee, then insurance companies would be demanding that all other liabilities would have been litigated before they would even considering paying out.

Just speculation.. but let's see.

You're right of course.. if we win, then that would positively boost the situation for us ... Lose and we will embark on a whole load of challenging situations.

Thank you and I see where you are going from, which is why I have defaulted to 'lose' so there are no further surprises in the negative

The insurance situation, so far as I am aware, remains publicly unclear as to whether it was in place or not at the point of the tragedy?

If it is, the small print will be made abundantly clear and once the City have gone down all other routes (this being the final one), I don't see what the City have done to nullify any claim that has or might be made?

Tapering of (some) 'expectations' is much needed; but we are to without some 'hope' either

The coroners inquest is next month, perhaps this will have a bearing?

Regardless of the outcome, the sooner this tragic situation is sorted out, the better.

Will love to see the cases being put forward by both sides when it goes to court.

I have a feeling it will be settled out of court for an undisclosed fee.

No way is that going to happen, we will not budge, (and rightly so), and neither will Nante.
We will win this case

We have already lost the case ... This is the appeal to CAS.

I hope we win but unless there is new evidence that Sala was not legally our player or Nantes were fully responsible for his death (they weren't as the recent case decided) then I'm afraid we will lose the appeal.

With respect, what is the point of the expensive exercise, if the club (City) don't believe they have a case?

Let's be honest here, very few of us (with one or two notable and 'in industry' exceptions) have any real idea what will occur. It's just 'guesstimates' based on what we (often) self-perceive to be the 'likely' outcome

Those with some idea and knowledge of the process and legalities involved, say that this could go either way and that the Bluebirds actually have some valid points that couldn't be considered under the previous adjudications, where there was an element of limitation on what could be accepted into the mix

CAS act in a completely different way, so there is a chance the club (nee Tan) could come away from this a lot better off than had he simply accepted the original ruling

Win the appeal = £19m back in the coffers

Partial win = £m's off the (current) bill

Loss = £19m loss (and al that entails)

The worse of those scenarios (lose completely) would see a strong possibility this club is set back many years in the process, if it hasn't been already

You may (eventually) turn out to be right in your assessment that 'we're stuffed' (polite version) before we start; but that won't be borne from any real knowledge you (or many others others) have in the mechanisms of the case itself and/or the options open to CAS

Nervy times ahead for all involved, supporters included, and I'm going to assume the worse in the hope it won't happen and anything up from there can be seen as a bonus

A few things about it Sven..

Appeals in cases like this are rarely successful, so we need to tapper expectations. However that is not to say we shouldn't be trying.

Also.. an this is speculation.. if we are going to make an insurance claim for the Sala fee, then insurance companies would be demanding that all other liabilities would have been litigated before they would even considering paying out.

Just speculation.. but let's see.

You're right of course.. if we win, then that would positively boost the situation for us ... Lose and we will embark on a whole load of challenging situations.

Thank you and I see where you are going from, which is why I have defaulted to 'lose' so there are no further surprises in the negative

The insurance situation, so far as I am aware, remains publicly unclear as to whether it was in place or not at the point of the tragedy?

If it is, the small print will be made abundantly clear and once the City have gone down all other routes (this being the final one), I don't see what the City have done to nullify any claim that has or might be made?

Tapering of (some) 'expectations' is much needed; but we are to without some 'hope' either

Without sight of the court file and a law degree nobody on here can really make a comment on whether we are likely to win, partially or fully.

However, I wouldn’t be so quick to rule out a settlement even at this late stage.

I’ve believed right from the start that the reason for using all the appeal options could be down to the insurance angle I.e. they won’t pay out until all avenues exhausted.

It will be interesting to see what come out though !

"Without sight of the court file and a law degree nobody on here can really make a comment on whether we are likely to win, partially or fully.
However, I wouldn’t be so quick to rule out a settlement even at this late stage.
I’ve believed right from the start that the reason for using all the appeal options could be down to the insurance angle I.e. they won’t pay out until all avenues exhausted.
It will be interesting to see what come out though !"

That's what I think as well - Sala was valued at 1million 18 months before the agent involved seemed to hike his price up. So Nante know what his true value was. They'll be happy to get a couple of million from this court case. Neither side wants to back down or at the same face going through more court time.

Which is why if I was a betting man - they will settle before it goes to court. I'm not a lawyer, like everyone else on here. But a settlement will be reached and neither side will say how much.

Isn't the appeal on the grounds that the transger contract wasn't fully fulfilled due to the Premier league rejecting the deal ? ,Fifa weren't allowed to rule on the contract case, CAS look into all aspects of the transfer including contracts and details of the deal ?

I have to say it, taking the emotion out of the subject, it's the sadness of it all that stops things getting talked about. Sala would have been far and away the biggest ever signing the club ever made. That fee close to half of Malky's budget the first time we went up! Staggering amount of money involved in the transfer (17m€)

Will love to see the cases being put forward by both sides when it goes to court.

I have a feeling it will be settled out of court for an undisclosed fee.

No way is that going to happen, we will not budge, (and rightly so), and neither will Nante.
We will win this case

We have already lost the case ... This is the appeal to CAS.

I hope we win but unless there is new evidence that Sala was not legally our player or Nantes were fully responsible for his death (they weren't as the recent case decided) then I'm afraid we will lose the appeal.

With respect, what is the point of the expensive exercise, if the club (City) don't believe they have a case?

Let's be honest here, very few of us (with one or two notable and 'in industry' exceptions) have any real idea what will occur. It's just 'guesstimates' based on what we (often) self-perceive to be the 'likely' outcome

Those with some idea and knowledge of the process and legalities involved, say that this could go either way and that the Bluebirds actually have some valid points that couldn't be considered under the previous adjudications, where there was an element of limitation on what could be accepted into the mix

CAS act in a completely different way, so there is a chance the club (nee Tan) could come away from this a lot better off than had he simply accepted the original ruling

Win the appeal = £19m back in the coffers

Partial win = £m's off the (current) bill

Loss = £19m loss (and al that entails)

The worse of those scenarios (lose completely) would see a strong possibility this club is set back many years in the process, if it hasn't been already

You may (eventually) turn out to be right in your assessment that 'we're stuffed' (polite version) before we start; but that won't be borne from any real knowledge you (or many others others) have in the mechanisms of the case itself and/or the options open to CAS

Nervy times ahead for all involved, supporters included, and I'm going to assume the worse in the hope it won't happen and anything up from there can be seen as a bonus

A few things about it Sven..

Appeals in cases like this are rarely successful, so we need to tapper expectations. However that is not to say we shouldn't be trying.

Also.. an this is speculation.. if we are going to make an insurance claim for the Sala fee, then insurance companies would be demanding that all other liabilities would have been litigated before they would even considering paying out.

Just speculation.. but let's see.

You're right of course.. if we win, then that would positively boost the situation for us ... Lose and we will embark on a whole load of challenging situations.

Thank you and I see where you are going from, which is why I have defaulted to 'lose' so there are no further surprises in the negative

The insurance situation, so far as I am aware, remains publicly unclear as to whether it was in place or not at the point of the tragedy?

If it is, the small print will be made abundantly clear and once the City have gone down all other routes (this being the final one), I don't see what the City have done to nullify any claim that has or might be made?

Tapering of (some) 'expectations' is much needed; but we are to without some 'hope' either

Without sight of the court file and a law degree nobody on here can really make a comment on whether we are likely to win, partially or fully.

However, I wouldn’t be so quick to rule out a settlement even at this late stage.

I’ve believed right from the start that the reason for using all the appeal options could be down to the insurance angle I.e. they won’t pay out until all avenues exhausted.

It will be interesting to see what come out though !

Some great points in there and makes sense...

Time will tell...