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“ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 8:42 am

You build a quality squad in the summer and add quality again in January , Not throw in at least 10 players from the U23 s squad whether they were good enough or not and a load of freebies and then struggle season after season. Then have to save the club every January.

The January part we did well actually thanks totally to do with Steve Morison, as he added quality loan players in and got the other clubs to pay the majority of the wages. Also cleared out many of the players that were not good enough sending them on loan etc.

This time we have to bring in quality in loans this summer and buy a couple , plus put a few young quality young players in.

This time it’s the best chance any managers has had for years being able to clear out All the dead wood, but he will need backing and the £4mill from Kieffer Moore will help big time.



But we will need to spend some money, IF we want promotion and then and again in January.


So yes Steve Morison does deserve a chance , am I convinced? The jury is still out, but he deserves a chance.

Please NO more bullshit from Glen Williams media Wales & Dalman this summer making out every player we sign or bring through are virtually dynamite & stars.

Season ticket sales are very very slow , But will pick up if in June we really do bring in quality players .


Bluebirds , Onwards & Upwards
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Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 8:47 am

As Steve Morison stated and he is spot on:


STEVE MORISON: “THE LEAGUE TABLE DOES NOT LIE, YOU ARE WHERE YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN MERIT.”



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Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 8:49 am

Huddersfield spent nothing and moved from our position to where they are now with clever free transfers and loans. It can be done. Hopefully SM and the club identify and persuade the right players to join.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 9:05 am

mjw6150 wrote:Huddersfield spent nothing and moved from our position to where they are now with clever free transfers and loans. It can be done. Hopefully SM and the club identify and persuade the right players to join.



Luton did same and undoubtedly this is the model most clubs will try to emulate.... and luckily for clubs there will be a lot of freebies and good loans available it's a case of getting in the best to suit the squad and way morison wants to play..
It's not all doom and gloom well not yet anyway.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 9:06 am

mjw6150 wrote:Huddersfield spent nothing and moved from our position to where they are now with clever free transfers and loans. It can be done. Hopefully SM and the club identify and persuade the right players to join.



But if you spend something as well as what you just said, then you have more chance of Top 2.

The play offs become a lottery, but still a chance.

Malky / Warnock , Bournemouth etc have proved it.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 9:29 am

Forever Blue wrote:You build a quality squad in the summer and add quality again in January , Not throw in at least 10 players from the U23 s squad whether they were good enough or not and a load of freebies and then struggle season after season. Then have to save the club every January.

The January part we did well actually thanks totally to do with Steve Morison, as he added quality loan players in and got the other clubs to pay the majority of the wages. Also cleared out many of the players that were not good enough sending them on loan etc.

This time we have to bring in quality in loans this summer and buy a couple , plus put a few young quality young players in.

This time it’s the best chance any managers has had for years being able to clear out All the dead wood, but he will need backing and the £4mill from Kieffer Moore will help big time.



But we will need to spend some money, IF we want promotion and then and again in January.


So yes Steve Morison does deserve a chance , am I convinced? The jury is still out, but he deserves a chance.

Please NO more bullshit from Glen Williams media Wales & Dalman this summer making out every player we sign or bring through are virtually dynamite & stars.

Season ticket sales are very very slow , But will pick up if in June we really do bring in quality players .


Bluebirds , Onwards & Upwards


I agree with that :thumbup:

We have to back Morison for now, otherwise we'll just lurch from one manager to another and with that sort of reputation it gets increasingly difficult to attract the better ones.

Up until we were safe from relegation Morisons stats were pretty impressive, even moreso when you consider that he took over on the back of 8 successive defeats so had a lot to change in a very short space of time :o

The Jacks performance was unacceptable, no excuses. But a lot of the performances up to then were very impressive and we beat some good sides and competed well with others e.g. Forest, Fulham, Huddersfield, West Brom, QPR, Stoke, etc.

However, there is no denying that this summer is huge for both Morison and us as a club. Get it right and there will be a level of optimism that we won't have experienced for years. Get it wrong and there will be despondency right from the off and Morison will struggle to maintain any momentum, even if we beat the Jacks 6-0 early on :roll: :lol: :lol:

These are interesting times but I have a feeling we will have to hold our nerve until the Prem transfer window shuts before we have any real idea of how things are going to work out and even then we'll probably have to wait until the end of Sep/Oct for a real understanding of what's going on :bluebird:

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 9:38 am

Forever Blue wrote:Season ticket sales are very very slow , But will pick up if in June we really do bring in quality players .



Do you have any numbers? The ticket office have said sales are steady.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 9:56 am

Large Arge wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Season ticket sales are very very slow , But will pick up if in June we really do bring in quality players .



Do you have any numbers? The ticket office have said sales are steady.



I can tell you now they are very slow, but hopefully pick up big time In June.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 9:57 am

piledriver64 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:You build a quality squad in the summer and add quality again in January , Not throw in at least 10 players from the U23 s squad whether they were good enough or not and a load of freebies and then struggle season after season. Then have to save the club every January.

The January part we did well actually thanks totally to do with Steve Morison, as he added quality loan players in and got the other clubs to pay the majority of the wages. Also cleared out many of the players that were not good enough sending them on loan etc.

This time we have to bring in quality in loans this summer and buy a couple , plus put a few young quality young players in.

This time it’s the best chance any managers has had for years being able to clear out All the dead wood, but he will need backing and the £4mill from Kieffer Moore will help big time.



But we will need to spend some money, IF we want promotion and then and again in January.


So yes Steve Morison does deserve a chance , am I convinced? The jury is still out, but he deserves a chance.

Please NO more bullshit from Glen Williams media Wales & Dalman this summer making out every player we sign or bring through are virtually dynamite & stars.

Season ticket sales are very very slow , But will pick up if in June we really do bring in quality players .


Bluebirds , Onwards & Upwards


I agree with that :thumbup:

We have to back Morison for now, otherwise we'll just lurch from one manager to another and with that sort of reputation it gets increasingly difficult to attract the better ones.

Up until we were safe from relegation Morisons stats were pretty impressive, even moreso when you consider that he took over on the back of 8 successive defeats so had a lot to change in a very short space of time :o

The Jacks performance was unacceptable, no excuses. But a lot of the performances up to then were very impressive and we beat some good sides and competed well with others e.g. Forest, Fulham, Huddersfield, West Brom, QPR, Stoke, etc.

However, there is no denying that this summer is huge for both Morison and us as a club. Get it right and there will be a level of optimism that we won't have experienced for years. Get it wrong and there will be despondency right from the off and Morison will struggle to maintain any momentum, even if we beat the Jacks 6-0 early on :roll: :lol: :lol:

These are interesting times but I have a feeling we will have to hold our nerve until the Prem transfer window shuts before we have any real idea of how things are going to work out and even then we'll probably have to wait until the end of Sep/Oct for a real understanding of what's going on :bluebird:




I think finally we are both on the same lines and both agree he deserves a chance and this summer is massive beyond.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 10:03 am

I don't think many fans are expecting a promotion push next year think most would be happy with a top half finish and a continued improvement in the football we play.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 10:09 am

Forever Blue wrote:
mjw6150 wrote:Huddersfield spent nothing and moved from our position to where they are now with clever free transfers and loans. It can be done. Hopefully SM and the club identify and persuade the right players to join.



But if you spend something as well as what you just said, then you have more chance of Top 2.

The play offs become a lottery, but still a chance.

Malky / Warnock , Bournemouth etc have proved it.


Only if you spend it right. When we got promoted under Warnock pretty much every signing made for money flopped and the free transfers like Hoilett, Bamba, Mendez and Etheridge played major parts.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 10:10 am

pembroke allan wrote:
mjw6150 wrote:Huddersfield spent nothing and moved from our position to where they are now with clever free transfers and loans. It can be done. Hopefully SM and the club identify and persuade the right players to join.



Luton did same and undoubtedly this is the model most clubs will try to emulate.... and luckily for clubs there will be a lot of freebies and good loans available it's a case of getting in the best to suit the squad and way morison wants to play..
It's not all doom and gloom well not yet anyway.


Unless there is parachute money I am sure most other Championships clubs will be doing the same as us this summar. Hopefully SM's work on presenting to players gives us an advantage.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 10:19 am

Forever Blue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:You build a quality squad in the summer and add quality again in January , Not throw in at least 10 players from the U23 s squad whether they were good enough or not and a load of freebies and then struggle season after season. Then have to save the club every January.

The January part we did well actually thanks totally to do with Steve Morison, as he added quality loan players in and got the other clubs to pay the majority of the wages. Also cleared out many of the players that were not good enough sending them on loan etc.

This time we have to bring in quality in loans this summer and buy a couple , plus put a few young quality young players in.

This time it’s the best chance any managers has had for years being able to clear out All the dead wood, but he will need backing and the £4mill from Kieffer Moore will help big time.



But we will need to spend some money, IF we want promotion and then and again in January.


So yes Steve Morison does deserve a chance , am I convinced? The jury is still out, but he deserves a chance.

Please NO more bullshit from Glen Williams media Wales & Dalman this summer making out every player we sign or bring through are virtually dynamite & stars.

Season ticket sales are very very slow , But will pick up if in June we really do bring in quality players .


Bluebirds , Onwards & Upwards


I agree with that :thumbup:

We have to back Morison for now, otherwise we'll just lurch from one manager to another and with that sort of reputation it gets increasingly difficult to attract the better ones.

Up until we were safe from relegation Morisons stats were pretty impressive, even moreso when you consider that he took over on the back of 8 successive defeats so had a lot to change in a very short space of time :o

The Jacks performance was unacceptable, no excuses. But a lot of the performances up to then were very impressive and we beat some good sides and competed well with others e.g. Forest, Fulham, Huddersfield, West Brom, QPR, Stoke, etc.

However, there is no denying that this summer is huge for both Morison and us as a club. Get it right and there will be a level of optimism that we won't have experienced for years. Get it wrong and there will be despondency right from the off and Morison will struggle to maintain any momentum, even if we beat the Jacks 6-0 early on :roll: :lol: :lol:

These are interesting times but I have a feeling we will have to hold our nerve until the Prem transfer window shuts before we have any real idea of how things are going to work out and even then we'll probably have to wait until the end of Sep/Oct for a real understanding of what's going on :bluebird:




I think finally we are both on the same lines and both agree he deserves a chance and this summer is massive beyond.


I actually think we agree on quite a lot, other than the regime :roll: :laughing5: :laughing5:

Ultimately it's the football that 's the most important thing anyway :thumbright: :bluebird:

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 10:24 am

piledriver64 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:You build a quality squad in the summer and add quality again in January , Not throw in at least 10 players from the U23 s squad whether they were good enough or not and a load of freebies and then struggle season after season. Then have to save the club every January.

The January part we did well actually thanks totally to do with Steve Morison, as he added quality loan players in and got the other clubs to pay the majority of the wages. Also cleared out many of the players that were not good enough sending them on loan etc.

This time we have to bring in quality in loans this summer and buy a couple , plus put a few young quality young players in.

This time it’s the best chance any managers has had for years being able to clear out All the dead wood, but he will need backing and the £4mill from Kieffer Moore will help big time.



But we will need to spend some money, IF we want promotion and then and again in January.


So yes Steve Morison does deserve a chance , am I convinced? The jury is still out, but he deserves a chance.

Please NO more bullshit from Glen Williams media Wales & Dalman this summer making out every player we sign or bring through are virtually dynamite & stars.

Season ticket sales are very very slow , But will pick up if in June we really do bring in quality players .


Bluebirds , Onwards & Upwards


I agree with that :thumbup:

We have to back Morison for now, otherwise we'll just lurch from one manager to another and with that sort of reputation it gets increasingly difficult to attract the better ones.

Up until we were safe from relegation Morisons stats were pretty impressive, even moreso when you consider that he took over on the back of 8 successive defeats so had a lot to change in a very short space of time :o

The Jacks performance was unacceptable, no excuses. But a lot of the performances up to then were very impressive and we beat some good sides and competed well with others e.g. Forest, Fulham, Huddersfield, West Brom, QPR, Stoke, etc.

However, there is no denying that this summer is huge for both Morison and us as a club. Get it right and there will be a level of optimism that we won't have experienced for years. Get it wrong and there will be despondency right from the off and Morison will struggle to maintain any momentum, even if we beat the Jacks 6-0 early on :roll: :lol: :lol:

These are interesting times but I have a feeling we will have to hold our nerve until the Prem transfer window shuts before we have any real idea of how things are going to work out and even then we'll probably have to wait until the end of Sep/Oct for a real understanding of what's going on :bluebird:




I think finally we are both on the same lines and both agree he deserves a chance and this summer is massive beyond.


I actually think we agree on quite a lot, other than the regime :roll: :laughing5: :laughing5:

Ultimately it's the football that 's the most important thing anyway :thumbright: :bluebird:




:thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 10:25 am

mjw6150 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
mjw6150 wrote:Huddersfield spent nothing and moved from our position to where they are now with clever free transfers and loans. It can be done. Hopefully SM and the club identify and persuade the right players to join.



But if you spend something as well as what you just said, then you have more chance of Top 2.

The play offs become a lottery, but still a chance.

Malky / Warnock , Bournemouth etc have proved it.


Only if you spend it right. When we got promoted under Warnock pretty much every signing made for money flopped and the free transfers like Hoilett, Bamba, Mendez and Etheridge played major parts.


Don't forget, there were also plenty of "free" failures too. Chamakh, Richardson, Feltscher, Halford, Meite, etc., so Warnock's success rate was actually quite poor, the ones that were a success were excellent but the others were awful !!

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 10:38 am

Forever Blue wrote:
Large Arge wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Season ticket sales are very very slow , But will pick up if in June we really do bring in quality players .



Do you have any numbers? The ticket office have said sales are steady.



I can tell you now they are very slow, but hopefully pick up big time In June.


Slow compared to previous years or just slow but in line with previous years?

The new season is over 3 months away, I can’t imagine sales are quick around April time in any season except the Premier League ones.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 10:44 am

mjw6150 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
mjw6150 wrote:Huddersfield spent nothing and moved from our position to where they are now with clever free transfers and loans. It can be done. Hopefully SM and the club identify and persuade the right players to join.



But if you spend something as well as what you just said, then you have more chance of Top 2.

The play offs become a lottery, but still a chance.

Malky / Warnock , Bournemouth etc have proved it.


Only if you spend it right. When we got promoted under Warnock pretty much every signing made for money flopped and the free transfers like Hoilett, Bamba, Mendez and Etheridge played major parts.

That's why I think it's important to recruit the hungry players with something to prove (these can be kids, a player shunned by another club or just a superb proffessional like Sol Bamba) rather than journeymen after a last wage. :thumbup:

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 11:21 am

piledriver64 wrote:
mjw6150 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
mjw6150 wrote:Huddersfield spent nothing and moved from our position to where they are now with clever free transfers and loans. It can be done. Hopefully SM and the club identify and persuade the right players to join.



But if you spend something as well as what you just said, then you have more chance of Top 2.

The play offs become a lottery, but still a chance.

Malky / Warnock , Bournemouth etc have proved it.


Only if you spend it right. When we got promoted under Warnock pretty much every signing made for money flopped and the free transfers like Hoilett, Bamba, Mendez and Etheridge played major parts.


Don't forget, there were also plenty of "free" failures too. Chamakh, Richardson, Feltscher, Halford, Meite, etc., so Warnock's success rate was actually quite poor, the ones that were a success were excellent but the others were awful !!


I suppose you are right but on the other hand some of those were only on 3 month contracts so there wasn't much lost

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 11:58 am

I would be happy with a top ten finish next season - as long as we are scoring goals and play a better exciting brand of football. In terms of playing personnel.. SM may surprise with a few gems - frees and loans.

Jury is still out on SM for me, especially after the Swansea game... but he deserves a chance. Any other manager would be in the same situation as we have limited money, and he has proved his worth in January with regards to the transfer window.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 12:05 pm

AfricanBluebird wrote:I would be happy with a top ten finish next season - as long as we are scoring goals and play a better exciting brand of football. In terms of playing personnel.. SM may surprise with a few gems - frees and loans.

Jury is still out on SM for me, especially after the Swansea game... but he deserves a chance. Any other manager would be in the same situation as we have limited money, and he has proved his worth in January with regards to the transfer window.


That's what I'm hoping for. As long as I can see we are progressing on and off the pitch I'll be happy. I think anyone expecting a top 6 finish is setting themselves up for dissapointment.

Morison definitely deserves this opportunity. But it seems a few people have the daggers out already and are just waiting for him to fail.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 12:33 pm

City slicker27 wrote:
AfricanBluebird wrote:I would be happy with a top ten finish next season - as long as we are scoring goals and play a better exciting brand of football. In terms of playing personnel.. SM may surprise with a few gems - frees and loans.

Jury is still out on SM for me, especially after the Swansea game... but he deserves a chance. Any other manager would be in the same situation as we have limited money, and he has proved his worth in January with regards to the transfer window.


That's what I'm hoping for. As long as I can see we are progressing on and off the pitch I'll be happy. I think anyone expecting a top 6 finish is setting themselves up for dissapointment.

Morison definitely deserves this opportunity. But it seems a few people have the daggers out already and are just waiting for him to fail.


Agreed.

The reality is we can't afford a top proven manager and don't have the budget they would want anyway.

People forget that a top manager would come with demands on recruitment that we are in no position to meet.

Let's see what SM can do.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 1:00 pm

Parachute payments…

If Sheff Utd get promoted this season then 5 of the 6 clubs that have came down in the last two seasons have been promoted again. On top of that only 4 clubs that have never been in the premier league before have been promoted since 2011. Most clubs re-invest to try and go back up.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 1:00 pm

AfricanBluebird wrote:
City slicker27 wrote:
AfricanBluebird wrote:I would be happy with a top ten finish next season - as long as we are scoring goals and play a better exciting brand of football. In terms of playing personnel.. SM may surprise with a few gems - frees and loans.

Jury is still out on SM for me, especially after the Swansea game... but he deserves a chance. Any other manager would be in the same situation as we have limited money, and he has proved his worth in January with regards to the transfer window.


That's what I'm hoping for. As long as I can see we are progressing on and off the pitch I'll be happy. I think anyone expecting a top 6 finish is setting themselves up for dissapointment.

Morison definitely deserves this opportunity. But it seems a few people have the daggers out already and are just waiting for him to fail.


Agreed.

The reality is we can't afford a top proven manager and don't have the budget they would want anyway.

People forget that a top manager would come with demands on recruitment that we are in no position to meet.

Let's see what SM can do.


That's the situation we are in. Experienced managers have failed in this league as well - Haughton at forest being the obvious one.

Morison has shown he can change the performance of an unbalanced group of limited players and has shown he can operate well in the transfer window. Hopefully the club back him as much as possible over the summer and he gets a good opportunity to show us what he can do. I'm looking forward to next season. Even if morison doesn't do as well as we hope, I feel he'll bring in players that could build a decent foundation for the squad.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 1:11 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Parachute payments…

If Sheff Utd get promoted this season then 5 of the 6 clubs that have came down in the last two seasons have been promoted again. On top of that only 4 clubs that have never been in the premier league before have been promoted since 2011. Most clubs re-invest to try and go back up.


They should be abolished IMO and every club should be ensuring there are automatic wage reductions in contracts in event of relegation

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 2:05 pm

mjw6150 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
mjw6150 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
mjw6150 wrote:Huddersfield spent nothing and moved from our position to where they are now with clever free transfers and loans. It can be done. Hopefully SM and the club identify and persuade the right players to join.



But if you spend something as well as what you just said, then you have more chance of Top 2.

The play offs become a lottery, but still a chance.

Malky / Warnock , Bournemouth etc have proved it.


Only if you spend it right. When we got promoted under Warnock pretty much every signing made for money flopped and the free transfers like Hoilett, Bamba, Mendez and Etheridge played major parts.


Don't forget, there were also plenty of "free" failures too. Chamakh, Richardson, Feltscher, Halford, Meite, etc., so Warnock's success rate was actually quite poor, the ones that were a success were excellent but the others were awful !!


I suppose you are right but on the other hand some of those were only on 3 month contracts so there wasn't much lost


Agreed but does demonstrate how difficult it is to get every signing right no matter how much/little you spend. There are some names on that list tat you would have thought should have breezed it at Championship level but failed pretty badly.

Re: “ You build a squad in the summer And “

Wed May 04, 2022 2:28 pm

City slicker27 wrote:
AfricanBluebird wrote:
City slicker27 wrote:
AfricanBluebird wrote:I would be happy with a top ten finish next season - as long as we are scoring goals and play a better exciting brand of football. In terms of playing personnel.. SM may surprise with a few gems - frees and loans.

Jury is still out on SM for me, especially after the Swansea game... but he deserves a chance. Any other manager would be in the same situation as we have limited money, and he has proved his worth in January with regards to the transfer window.


That's what I'm hoping for. As long as I can see we are progressing on and off the pitch I'll be happy. I think anyone expecting a top 6 finish is setting themselves up for dissapointment.

Morison definitely deserves this opportunity. But it seems a few people have the daggers out already and are just waiting for him to fail.


Agreed.

The reality is we can't afford a top proven manager and don't have the budget they would want anyway.

People forget that a top manager would come with demands on recruitment that we are in no position to meet.

Let's see what SM can do.


That's the situation we are in. Experienced managers have failed in this league as well - Haughton at forest being the obvious one.

Morison has shown he can change the performance of an unbalanced group of limited players and has shown he can operate well in the transfer window. Hopefully the club back him as much as possible over the summer and he gets a good opportunity to show us what he can do. I'm looking forward to next season. Even if morison doesn't do as well as we hope, I feel he'll bring in players that could build a decent foundation for the squad.


My thoughts exactly. I was also going to name Hughton as a failed experienced manager but you beat me to it ! The same applies to Pulis.You just never know how successful managers are likely to be so it seems pointless splashing
the cash in that direction, especially if money is tight for players.