pembroke allan wrote:As low as people want it to be! But dont you think the club have the right to question things at an inquest? That is what inquest are for .... or do we expect the club to just agree to everything said accept liability and pay out millions on compensation! Think it's open season on the club at moment.. roll on start next season when can talk football.
stickywicket wrote:pembroke allan wrote:As low as people want it to be! But dont you think the club have the right to question things at an inquest? That is what inquest are for .... or do we expect the club to just agree to everything said accept liability and pay out millions on compensation! Think it's open season on the club at moment.. roll on start next season when can talk football.
They don't keep records,the club stated that at the inquest.The club wouldn't have to pay anything.It would be the clubs insurers at the time.
The story is on BBC WALES news at 6.30.pm tonight.
pembroke allan wrote:stickywicket wrote:pembroke allan wrote:As low as people want it to be! But dont you think the club have the right to question things at an inquest? That is what inquest are for .... or do we expect the club to just agree to everything said accept liability and pay out millions on compensation! Think it's open season on the club at moment.. roll on start next season when can talk football.
They don't keep records,the club stated that at the inquest.The club wouldn't have to pay anything.It would be the clubs insurers at the time.
The story is on BBC WALES news at 6.30.pm tonight.
He was also involved with Barry... but original point is the club had right to question the expert.. same as you or I would expect our lawyer to question the findings if it was us in firing line... it's a tragedy for the family but we cannot expect the club to say nothing just like sala case it doesn't matter if its insurers or not it will still fall on club in some way.... but now the family are joining the organisation that is looking into such incidents regarding head injuries hope they get what they deserve in way of answers
arri potta wrote:pembroke allan wrote:stickywicket wrote:pembroke allan wrote:As low as people want it to be! But dont you think the club have the right to question things at an inquest? That is what inquest are for .... or do we expect the club to just agree to everything said accept liability and pay out millions on compensation! Think it's open season on the club at moment.. roll on start next season when can talk football.
They don't keep records,the club stated that at the inquest.The club wouldn't have to pay anything.It would be the clubs insurers at the time.
The story is on BBC WALES news at 6.30.pm tonight.
He was also involved with Barry... but original point is the club had right to question the expert.. same as you or I would expect our lawyer to question the findings if it was us in firing line... it's a tragedy for the family but we cannot expect the club to say nothing just like sala case it doesn't matter if its insurers or not it will still fall on club in some way.... but now the family are joining the organisation that is looking into such incidents regarding head injuries hope they get what they deserve in way of answers
what planet are you on, that is disgraceful from ccfc, the man alongside phil dwyer was a legend and you want these foreigners and non football idiots to disgrace the name of heroes - shocking from any city fan
pembroke allan wrote:arri potta wrote:pembroke allan wrote:stickywicket wrote:pembroke allan wrote:As low as people want it to be! But dont you think the club have the right to question things at an inquest? That is what inquest are for .... or do we expect the club to just agree to everything said accept liability and pay out millions on compensation! Think it's open season on the club at moment.. roll on start next season when can talk football.
They don't keep records,the club stated that at the inquest.The club wouldn't have to pay anything.It would be the clubs insurers at the time.
The story is on BBC WALES news at 6.30.pm tonight.
He was also involved with Barry... but original point is the club had right to question the expert.. same as you or I would expect our lawyer to question the findings if it was us in firing line... it's a tragedy for the family but we cannot expect the club to say nothing just like sala case it doesn't matter if its insurers or not it will still fall on club in some way.... but now the family are joining the organisation that is looking into such incidents regarding head injuries hope they get what they deserve in way of answers
what planet are you on, that is disgraceful from ccfc, the man alongside phil dwyer was a legend and you want these foreigners and non football idiots to disgrace the name of heroes - shocking from any city fan
What's disgraceful? That they questioned an expert ... you do know that inquests are there to establish cause of death and experts are frequently challenged on their opinions.... so why is ccfc any different? If you disagreed with someone you would say so or would you just say ok your right even if think their wrong ? I'm not saying club are right but they do have the right to challenge what was said like anyone else ?
Or you saying that club should be quiet and accept specialist opinion regardless of what was said ...
And what's shocking about what I said? it's what happens at inquests
It's that simple
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:arri potta wrote:pembroke allan wrote:stickywicket wrote:pembroke allan wrote:As low as people want it to be! But dont you think the club have the right to question things at an inquest? That is what inquest are for .... or do we expect the club to just agree to everything said accept liability and pay out millions on compensation! Think it's open season on the club at moment.. roll on start next season when can talk football.
They don't keep records,the club stated that at the inquest.The club wouldn't have to pay anything.It would be the clubs insurers at the time.
The story is on BBC WALES news at 6.30.pm tonight.
He was also involved with Barry... but original point is the club had right to question the expert.. same as you or I would expect our lawyer to question the findings if it was us in firing line... it's a tragedy for the family but we cannot expect the club to say nothing just like sala case it doesn't matter if its insurers or not it will still fall on club in some way.... but now the family are joining the organisation that is looking into such incidents regarding head injuries hope they get what they deserve in way of answers
what planet are you on, that is disgraceful from ccfc, the man alongside phil dwyer was a legend and you want these foreigners and non football idiots to disgrace the name of heroes - shocking from any city fan
What's disgraceful? That they questioned an expert ... you do know that inquests are there to establish cause of death and experts are frequently challenged on their opinions.... so why is ccfc any different? If you disagreed with someone you would say so or would you just say ok your right even if think their wrong ? I'm not saying club are right but they do have the right to challenge what was said like anyone else ?
Or you saying that club should be quiet and accept specialist opinion regardless of what was said ...
And what's shocking about what I said? it's what happens at inquests
It's that simple
Good post.
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:arri potta wrote:pembroke allan wrote:stickywicket wrote:pembroke allan wrote:As low as people want it to be! But dont you think the club have the right to question things at an inquest? That is what inquest are for .... or do we expect the club to just agree to everything said accept liability and pay out millions on compensation! Think it's open season on the club at moment.. roll on start next season when can talk football.
They don't keep records,the club stated that at the inquest.The club wouldn't have to pay anything.It would be the clubs insurers at the time.
The story is on BBC WALES news at 6.30.pm tonight.
He was also involved with Barry... but original point is the club had right to question the expert.. same as you or I would expect our lawyer to question the findings if it was us in firing line... it's a tragedy for the family but we cannot expect the club to say nothing just like sala case it doesn't matter if its insurers or not it will still fall on club in some way.... but now the family are joining the organisation that is looking into such incidents regarding head injuries hope they get what they deserve in way of answers
what planet are you on, that is disgraceful from ccfc, the man alongside phil dwyer was a legend and you want these foreigners and non football idiots to disgrace the name of heroes - shocking from any city fan
What's disgraceful? That they questioned an expert ... you do know that inquests are there to establish cause of death and experts are frequently challenged on their opinions.... so why is ccfc any different? If you disagreed with someone you would say so or would you just say ok your right even if think their wrong ? I'm not saying club are right but they do have the right to challenge what was said like anyone else ?
Or you saying that club should be quiet and accept specialist opinion regardless of what was said ...
And what's shocking about what I said? it's what happens at inquests
It's that simple
Good post.
stickywicket wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:arri potta wrote:pembroke allan wrote:stickywicket wrote:pembroke allan wrote:As low as people want it to be! But dont you think the club have the right to question things at an inquest? That is what inquest are for .... or do we expect the club to just agree to everything said accept liability and pay out millions on compensation! Think it's open season on the club at moment.. roll on start next season when can talk football.
They don't keep records,the club stated that at the inquest.The club wouldn't have to pay anything.It would be the clubs insurers at the time.
The story is on BBC WALES news at 6.30.pm tonight.
He was also involved with Barry... but original point is the club had right to question the expert.. same as you or I would expect our lawyer to question the findings if it was us in firing line... it's a tragedy for the family but we cannot expect the club to say nothing just like sala case it doesn't matter if its insurers or not it will still fall on club in some way.... but now the family are joining the organisation that is looking into such incidents regarding head injuries hope they get what they deserve in way of answers
what planet are you on, that is disgraceful from ccfc, the man alongside phil dwyer was a legend and you want these foreigners and non football idiots to disgrace the name of heroes - shocking from any city fan
What's disgraceful? That they questioned an expert ... you do know that inquests are there to establish cause of death and experts are frequently challenged on their opinions.... so why is ccfc any different? If you disagreed with someone you would say so or would you just say ok your right even if think their wrong ? I'm not saying club are right but they do have the right to challenge what was said like anyone else ?
Or you saying that club should be quiet and accept specialist opinion regardless of what was said ...
And what's shocking about what I said? it's what happens at inquests
It's that simple
Good post.
You do realise the club had no record that Keith ever existed or played for the club.The only record of Keith's injuries came from his mothers'scrapbook.I suggest you watch the interview with Keith's wife on the link provided at the top of the article.
GrangeEndStar wrote:Thousands of ex NFL players have brought lawsuits against the league for CTE suffered as a result of playing and for the NFL of not advising them of the risks. For those wanting to know more, there is a 2015 film called Concussion, Will Smith plays the forensic pathologist who discovers the conditions link to the sport and how the NFL tried to dismiss his findings.
I have previously read UK pieces that make a link of brain injury risk from repeatedly heading a football/head clashes so it does raise valid questions.
It sounds like the club are concerned about potential legal challenges and given what's happened in the US, I imagine that all clubs are covering themself and possibly the league bodies too.
Not pleasant for Keith's family though, I've been to inquests and they are tough.
M4 Exile wrote:I don’t understand why the club had to be there anyway?
Are they anticipating being sued for it?
Surely allowing ex players/families to sue clubs for the effects of heading the ball opens a massive can of worms?
Paul Keevil wrote:I have used Dr. Stewart myself on head injury claims. I believe I used him in a claim involving a Boxer who started to suffer seizures many years after he ceased boxing. Soccer-related injuries are a specific interest of his and he is probably one of the best in the country to comment.
Again, from a legal point of view, I am unsure why the club is getting involved. In a previous post (regarding Sala) I explained that there was a big difference between being at fault for something and being negligent.
In order to be Negligent, in a Court of law, you need to be aware that a condition could arise. There needs to be some "Foreseeable Risk".
My view is that between 1976-1983 there was no publicized risk that heading a football could cause dementia.
Accordingly, if there is no evidence of risk - how can anyone (including CCFC) be found guilty of negligence.
Wayne S wrote:The title of this thread is totally incorrect and a sign of how words are manipulated nowadays.
The club DID NOT question the inquest verdict, they asked questions during the inquest.
Totally two different statements.
stickywicket wrote:Wayne S wrote:The title of this thread is totally incorrect and a sign of how words are manipulated nowadays.
The club DID NOT question the inquest verdict, they asked questions during the inquest.
Totally two different statements.
Rubbish.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... r-23933825
Wayne S wrote:stickywicket wrote:Wayne S wrote:The title of this thread is totally incorrect and a sign of how words are manipulated nowadays.
The club DID NOT question the inquest verdict, they asked questions during the inquest.
Totally two different statements.
Rubbish.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... r-23933825
I've read the article. Still questions asked by the club DURING the inquest and NOT questioning the verdict.
stickywicket wrote:Wayne S wrote:stickywicket wrote:Wayne S wrote:The title of this thread is totally incorrect and a sign of how words are manipulated nowadays.
The club DID NOT question the inquest verdict, they asked questions during the inquest.
Totally two different statements.
Rubbish.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... r-23933825
I've read the article. Still questions asked by the club DURING the inquest and NOT questioning the verdict.
Paragraph from the said article
. During the inquest, the club's barrister questioned the neuropathologist's diagnosis that Mr Pontin's dementia was caused by chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) and suggested that it had instead stemmed from natural causes
pembroke allan wrote:stickywicket wrote:Wayne S wrote:stickywicket wrote:Wayne S wrote:The title of this thread is totally incorrect and a sign of how words are manipulated nowadays.
The club DID NOT question the inquest verdict, they asked questions during the inquest.
Totally two different statements.
Rubbish.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... r-23933825
I've read the article. Still questions asked by the club DURING the inquest and NOT questioning the verdict.
Paragraph from the said article
. During the inquest, the club's barrister questioned the neuropathologist's diagnosis that Mr Pontin's dementia was caused by chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) and suggested that it had instead stemmed from natural causes
Club didn't question verdict they questioned the findings of the specialist as is the right of anyone.... you can say its same thing but once verdict was given the club did not question coroners verdict at all ... should the club have gotten involved well thats questionable butv as Keith was an employee of club guess they had interest in inquest and coroner allowed club to question specialist so they did ... why make out club as done something wrong when in reality they didn't..
But having said all that can understand wifes distress with club insinuating he died of natural causes when clearly he got dementia from heading ball rugby got same problem regarding concussions. Hopefully authorities act on what's happening. In general.
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