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HarriRhys22 wrote:Wrexham FC would be 58th in the list with an average attendance of 8,647!
Mon May 30, 2022 10:09 pm
Wayne S wrote:There are a few football clubs that are absolutely the centre of their community and nothing else prevails.
Sunderland is one of those places. The football team is the ONLY professional sporting club in the city and the surrounding areas. When you add to that a lesser amount of non sporting attractions you soon get a feel for how important the football club is to, what was, a very heavy industry, working class population.
In comparison somewhere like Cardiff has professional sports teams playing at the top levels of football, cricket, rugby and ice hockey. As well as the attractions that go with a capital city from a country with a unique culture.
We share a fan base with many different sports and pastimes. However success can help draw on that much bigger fanbase.
That said there is no doubting from a footballing point of view Sunderland are a massive club.
Tue May 31, 2022 12:16 am
Forever Blue wrote:Wayne S wrote:There are a few football clubs that are absolutely the centre of their community and nothing else prevails.
Sunderland is one of those places. The football team is the ONLY professional sporting club in the city and the surrounding areas. When you add to that a lesser amount of non sporting attractions you soon get a feel for how important the football club is to, what was, a very heavy industry, working class population.
In comparison somewhere like Cardiff has professional sports teams playing at the top levels of football, cricket, rugby and ice hockey. As well as the attractions that go with a capital city from a country with a unique culture.
We share a fan base with many different sports and pastimes. However success can help draw on that much bigger fanbase.
That said there is no doubting from a footballing point of view Sunderland are a massive club.
I totally disagree, I have visitedSunderland on many occasions not just with Cardiff, but have many friends there.
It’s a smaller population than Cardiff and has not got all the areas around it like Cardiff, we only have Newport County to compete with , they have Newcastle, Boro and many non league clubs. They have Ice Hockey, Sunderland Chiefs, they have rugby etc.
Cardiff Blues get about 5,000.
Look at this type of crowd
Only 5,767 people turned up to watch Ospreys v Cardiff Blues.
Sunderland have just spent 4yrs in league 1 (3) , what would our crowds be?
I’ve seen Sunderland bring over 10,000 to Ninian Park, Newcastle never have. I have gone to Tranmere to watch them a crowd of 16,000, 12,000 Sunderland.
We have virtually the whole of South Wales to draw upon.
I rate them as top 10 in the Uk with their passionate support .
We should and could be bigger, but they live and breath their club.
We can draw upon a million people with in a 30 miles radius with mostly nothing to do in other sports.
Tue May 31, 2022 6:16 am
Wayne S wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Wayne S wrote:There are a few football clubs that are absolutely the centre of their community and nothing else prevails.
Sunderland is one of those places. The football team is the ONLY professional sporting club in the city and the surrounding areas. When you add to that a lesser amount of non sporting attractions you soon get a feel for how important the football club is to, what was, a very heavy industry, working class population.
In comparison somewhere like Cardiff has professional sports teams playing at the top levels of football, cricket, rugby and ice hockey. As well as the attractions that go with a capital city from a country with a unique culture.
We share a fan base with many different sports and pastimes. However success can help draw on that much bigger fanbase.
That said there is no doubting from a footballing point of view Sunderland are a massive club.
I totally disagree, I have visitedSunderland on many occasions not just with Cardiff, but have many friends there.
It’s a smaller population than Cardiff and has not got all the areas around it like Cardiff, we only have Newport County to compete with , they have Newcastle, Boro and many non league clubs. They have Ice Hockey, Sunderland Chiefs, they have rugby etc.
Cardiff Blues get about 5,000.
Look at this type of crowd
Only 5,767 people turned up to watch Ospreys v Cardiff Blues.
Sunderland have just spent 4yrs in league 1 (3) , what would our crowds be?
I’ve seen Sunderland bring over 10,000 to Ninian Park, Newcastle never have. I have gone to Tranmere to watch them a crowd of 16,000, 12,000 Sunderland.
We have virtually the whole of South Wales to draw upon.
I rate them as top 10 in the Uk with their passionate support .
We should and could be bigger, but they live and breath their club.
We can draw upon a million people with in a 30 miles radius with mostly nothing to do in other sports.
We are agreeing on catchments and the potential we SHOULD have. We are just disagreeing on the outside factors affecting how hard it is for us to get fans from that catchment.
I read an article a while back talking about how Sunderland and a few other city football clubs had no other competing PROFESSIONAL sports to dilute their pull.
However small the pulling power of other sports in and around Cardiff they are still reducing our potential. You can also add to that the amount of rugby clubs that are at the heart of many of the valleys towns.
Many sports fans in the area do not pay to attend more than one sport. I know of a few but they mostly attend one and support others from an armchair.
I would say that Cardiff City need much more success on the field than the likes of a Sunderland to draw similar crowds. We have the potential but we are not the beating heart of a community like Sunderland AFC are.
Tue May 31, 2022 7:45 am
Forever Blue wrote:Wayne S wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Wayne S wrote:There are a few football clubs that are absolutely the centre of their community and nothing else prevails.
Sunderland is one of those places. The football team is the ONLY professional sporting club in the city and the surrounding areas. When you add to that a lesser amount of non sporting attractions you soon get a feel for how important the football club is to, what was, a very heavy industry, working class population.
In comparison somewhere like Cardiff has professional sports teams playing at the top levels of football, cricket, rugby and ice hockey. As well as the attractions that go with a capital city from a country with a unique culture.
We share a fan base with many different sports and pastimes. However success can help draw on that much bigger fanbase.
That said there is no doubting from a footballing point of view Sunderland are a massive club.
I totally disagree, I have visitedSunderland on many occasions not just with Cardiff, but have many friends there.
It’s a smaller population than Cardiff and has not got all the areas around it like Cardiff, we only have Newport County to compete with , they have Newcastle, Boro and many non league clubs. They have Ice Hockey, Sunderland Chiefs, they have rugby etc.
Cardiff Blues get about 5,000.
Look at this type of crowd
Only 5,767 people turned up to watch Ospreys v Cardiff Blues.
Sunderland have just spent 4yrs in league 1 (3) , what would our crowds be?
I’ve seen Sunderland bring over 10,000 to Ninian Park, Newcastle never have. I have gone to Tranmere to watch them a crowd of 16,000, 12,000 Sunderland.
We have virtually the whole of South Wales to draw upon.
I rate them as top 10 in the Uk with their passionate support .
We should and could be bigger, but they live and breath their club.
We can draw upon a million people with in a 30 miles radius with mostly nothing to do in other sports.
We are agreeing on catchments and the potential we SHOULD have. We are just disagreeing on the outside factors affecting how hard it is for us to get fans from that catchment.
I read an article a while back talking about how Sunderland and a few other city football clubs had no other competing PROFESSIONAL sports to dilute their pull.
However small the pulling power of other sports in and around Cardiff they are still reducing our potential. You can also add to that the amount of rugby clubs that are at the heart of many of the valleys towns.
Many sports fans in the area do not pay to attend more than one sport. I know of a few but they mostly attend one and support others from an armchair.
I would say that Cardiff City need much more success on the field than the likes of a Sunderland to draw similar crowds. We have the potential but we are not the beating heart of a community like Sunderland AFC are.
I can see your points and your right we do agree the majority of them and you are right Wayne, Sunderland FC is the heartbeat of their community and their lives do basically involve Sunderland. As to the rugby in the valleys crowds are very very small and if City are doing well and we’re in the Premier I stand by this if we held 50,000 we could fill it for at least 10 matches and average over 40,000.
My only concern is, the majority of our fan base disappears as quick as they came.
We needed 7yrs in Prem like Jacks and I do believe we would of held on to a lot, unlike them.
Tue May 31, 2022 9:16 am
Wayne S wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Wayne S wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Wayne S wrote:There are a few football clubs that are absolutely the centre of their community and nothing else prevails.
Sunderland is one of those places. The football team is the ONLY professional sporting club in the city and the surrounding areas. When you add to that a lesser amount of non sporting attractions you soon get a feel for how important the football club is to, what was, a very heavy industry, working class population.
In comparison somewhere like Cardiff has professional sports teams playing at the top levels of football, cricket, rugby and ice hockey. As well as the attractions that go with a capital city from a country with a unique culture.
We share a fan base with many different sports and pastimes. However success can help draw on that much bigger fanbase.
That said there is no doubting from a footballing point of view Sunderland are a massive club.
I totally disagree, I have visitedSunderland on many occasions not just with Cardiff, but have many friends there.
It’s a smaller population than Cardiff and has not got all the areas around it like Cardiff, we only have Newport County to compete with , they have Newcastle, Boro and many non league clubs. They have Ice Hockey, Sunderland Chiefs, they have rugby etc.
Cardiff Blues get about 5,000.
Look at this type of crowd
Only 5,767 people turned up to watch Ospreys v Cardiff Blues.
Sunderland have just spent 4yrs in league 1 (3) , what would our crowds be?
I’ve seen Sunderland bring over 10,000 to Ninian Park, Newcastle never have. I have gone to Tranmere to watch them a crowd of 16,000, 12,000 Sunderland.
We have virtually the whole of South Wales to draw upon.
I rate them as top 10 in the Uk with their passionate support .
We should and could be bigger, but they live and breath their club.
We can draw upon a million people with in a 30 miles radius with mostly nothing to do in other sports.
We are agreeing on catchments and the potential we SHOULD have. We are just disagreeing on the outside factors affecting how hard it is for us to get fans from that catchment.
I read an article a while back talking about how Sunderland and a few other city football clubs had no other competing PROFESSIONAL sports to dilute their pull.
However small the pulling power of other sports in and around Cardiff they are still reducing our potential. You can also add to that the amount of rugby clubs that are at the heart of many of the valleys towns.
Many sports fans in the area do not pay to attend more than one sport. I know of a few but they mostly attend one and support others from an armchair.
I would say that Cardiff City need much more success on the field than the likes of a Sunderland to draw similar crowds. We have the potential but we are not the beating heart of a community like Sunderland AFC are.
I can see your points and your right we do agree the majority of them and you are right Wayne, Sunderland FC is the heartbeat of their community and their lives do basically involve Sunderland. As to the rugby in the valleys crowds are very very small and if City are doing well and we’re in the Premier I stand by this if we held 50,000 we could fill it for at least 10 matches and average over 40,000.
My only concern is, the majority of our fan base disappears as quick as they came.
We needed 7yrs in Prem like Jacks and I do believe we would of held on to a lot, unlike them.
Absolutely, absolutely.
We've had our single season dallying with the Premier League and we can see from that what was possible. We need the next step of multiple seasons in the EPL to embed the football club into the social lives of "come and go" fans.
Please let's not go backwards to mid table mediocrity for 5 to 10 seasons or even worse.
Tue May 31, 2022 9:42 am
Forever Blue wrote:Wayne S wrote:There are a few football clubs that are absolutely the centre of their community and nothing else prevails.
Sunderland is one of those places. The football team is the ONLY professional sporting club in the city and the surrounding areas. When you add to that a lesser amount of non sporting attractions you soon get a feel for how important the football club is to, what was, a very heavy industry, working class population.
In comparison somewhere like Cardiff has professional sports teams playing at the top levels of football, cricket, rugby and ice hockey. As well as the attractions that go with a capital city from a country with a unique culture.
We share a fan base with many different sports and pastimes. However success can help draw on that much bigger fanbase.
That said there is no doubting from a footballing point of view Sunderland are a massive club.
I totally disagree, I have visitedSunderland on many occasions not just with Cardiff, but have many friends there.
It’s a smaller population than Cardiff and has not got all the areas around it like Cardiff, we only have Newport County to compete with , they have Newcastle, Boro and many non league clubs. They have Ice Hockey, Sunderland Chiefs, they have rugby etc.
Cardiff Blues get about 5,000.
Look at this type of crowd
Only 5,767 people turned up to watch Ospreys v Cardiff Blues.
Sunderland have just spent 4yrs in league 1 (3) , what would our crowds be?
I’ve seen Sunderland bring over 10,000 to Ninian Park, Newcastle never have. I have gone to Tranmere to watch them a crowd of 16,000, 12,000 Sunderland.
We have virtually the whole of South Wales to draw upon.
I rate them as top 10 in the Uk with their passionate support .
We should and could be bigger, but they live and breath their club.
We can draw upon a million people with in a 30 miles radius with mostly nothing to do in other sports.
Tue May 31, 2022 10:27 am
Abergavenny wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Wayne S wrote:There are a few football clubs that are absolutely the centre of their community and nothing else prevails.
Sunderland is one of those places. The football team is the ONLY professional sporting club in the city and the surrounding areas. When you add to that a lesser amount of non sporting attractions you soon get a feel for how important the football club is to, what was, a very heavy industry, working class population.
In comparison somewhere like Cardiff has professional sports teams playing at the top levels of football, cricket, rugby and ice hockey. As well as the attractions that go with a capital city from a country with a unique culture.
We share a fan base with many different sports and pastimes. However success can help draw on that much bigger fanbase.
That said there is no doubting from a footballing point of view Sunderland are a massive club.
I totally disagree, I have visitedSunderland on many occasions not just with Cardiff, but have many friends there.
It’s a smaller population than Cardiff and has not got all the areas around it like Cardiff, we only have Newport County to compete with , they have Newcastle, Boro and many non league clubs. They have Ice Hockey, Sunderland Chiefs, they have rugby etc.
Cardiff Blues get about 5,000.
Look at this type of crowd
Only 5,767 people turned up to watch Ospreys v Cardiff Blues.
Sunderland have just spent 4yrs in league 1 (3) , what would our crowds be?
I’ve seen Sunderland bring over 10,000 to Ninian Park, Newcastle never have. I have gone to Tranmere to watch them a crowd of 16,000, 12,000 Sunderland.
We have virtually the whole of South Wales to draw upon.
I rate them as top 10 in the Uk with their passionate support .
We should and could be bigger, but they live and breath their club.
We can draw upon a million people with in a 30 miles radius with mostly nothing to do in other sports.
I believe the ice hockey team went out of business nearly 20 years ago in Sunderland and never reach any heights due to lack of success and crowds Sunderland does have other sports but population only really interested in football Cardiff is totally different regarding the sporting scene with so many other sports to watch However saying that Cardiff City should be better supported
Tue May 31, 2022 12:49 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Abergavenny wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Wayne S wrote:There are a few football clubs that are absolutely the centre of their community and nothing else prevails.
Sunderland is one of those places. The football team is the ONLY professional sporting club in the city and the surrounding areas. When you add to that a lesser amount of non sporting attractions you soon get a feel for how important the football club is to, what was, a very heavy industry, working class population.
In comparison somewhere like Cardiff has professional sports teams playing at the top levels of football, cricket, rugby and ice hockey. As well as the attractions that go with a capital city from a country with a unique culture.
We share a fan base with many different sports and pastimes. However success can help draw on that much bigger fanbase.
That said there is no doubting from a footballing point of view Sunderland are a massive club.
I totally disagree, I have visitedSunderland on many occasions not just with Cardiff, but have many friends there.
It’s a smaller population than Cardiff and has not got all the areas around it like Cardiff, we only have Newport County to compete with , they have Newcastle, Boro and many non league clubs. They have Ice Hockey, Sunderland Chiefs, they have rugby etc.
Cardiff Blues get about 5,000.
Look at this type of crowd
Only 5,767 people turned up to watch Ospreys v Cardiff Blues.
Sunderland have just spent 4yrs in league 1 (3) , what would our crowds be?
I’ve seen Sunderland bring over 10,000 to Ninian Park, Newcastle never have. I have gone to Tranmere to watch them a crowd of 16,000, 12,000 Sunderland.
We have virtually the whole of South Wales to draw upon.
I rate them as top 10 in the Uk with their passionate support .
We should and could be bigger, but they live and breath their club.
We can draw upon a million people with in a 30 miles radius with mostly nothing to do in other sports.
I believe the ice hockey team went out of business nearly 20 years ago in Sunderland and never reach any heights due to lack of success and crowds Sunderland does have other sports but population only really interested in football Cardiff is totally different regarding the sporting scene with so many other sports to watch However saying that Cardiff City should be better supported
But Cardiff City have a way way bigger catchment area than Sunderland, without a doubt.
People should respect at this current moment a club who were in a lower league has bigger crowds than us and way more passionate about their club, no matter how bad they are doing.
And they also travel long distances and never take as low as 200 away, usually sold out at every away game.
Rugby is dying in Wales and when it was big, it was just for internationals.
Cricket is a summer sport and mostly Cardiff fans anyway.
Also all the towns around Cardiff and valleys have populations of 30,000-60,000 with nothing there.
Tue May 31, 2022 1:21 pm
Abergavenny wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Abergavenny wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Wayne S wrote:There are a few football clubs that are absolutely the centre of their community and nothing else prevails.
Sunderland is one of those places. The football team is the ONLY professional sporting club in the city and the surrounding areas. When you add to that a lesser amount of non sporting attractions you soon get a feel for how important the football club is to, what was, a very heavy industry, working class population.
In comparison somewhere like Cardiff has professional sports teams playing at the top levels of football, cricket, rugby and ice hockey. As well as the attractions that go with a capital city from a country with a unique culture.
We share a fan base with many different sports and pastimes. However success can help draw on that much bigger fanbase.
That said there is no doubting from a footballing point of view Sunderland are a massive club.
I totally disagree, I have visitedSunderland on many occasions not just with Cardiff, but have many friends there.
It’s a smaller population than Cardiff and has not got all the areas around it like Cardiff, we only have Newport County to compete with , they have Newcastle, Boro and many non league clubs. They have Ice Hockey, Sunderland Chiefs, they have rugby etc.
Cardiff Blues get about 5,000.
Look at this type of crowd
Only 5,767 people turned up to watch Ospreys v Cardiff Blues.
Sunderland have just spent 4yrs in league 1 (3) , what would our crowds be?
I’ve seen Sunderland bring over 10,000 to Ninian Park, Newcastle never have. I have gone to Tranmere to watch them a crowd of 16,000, 12,000 Sunderland.
We have virtually the whole of South Wales to draw upon.
I rate them as top 10 in the Uk with their passionate support .
We should and could be bigger, but they live and breath their club.
We can draw upon a million people with in a 30 miles radius with mostly nothing to do in other sports.
I believe the ice hockey team went out of business nearly 20 years ago in Sunderland and never reach any heights due to lack of success and crowds Sunderland does have other sports but population only really interested in football Cardiff is totally different regarding the sporting scene with so many other sports to watch However saying that Cardiff City should be better supported
But Cardiff City have a way way bigger catchment area than Sunderland, without a doubt.
People should respect at this current moment a club who were in a lower league has bigger crowds than us and way more passionate about their club, no matter how bad they are doing.
And they also travel long distances and never take as low as 200 away, usually sold out at every away game.
Rugby is dying in Wales and when it was big, it was just for internationals.
Cricket is a summer sport and mostly Cardiff fans anyway.
Also all the towns around Cardiff and valleys have populations of 30,000-60,000 with nothing there.
In agreement with you that our fan base should be higher by at least 6/7k in our current situation as a championship club Sunderland are really a one sport city which is a surprise when the metro area has a population of nearly 350k They have no other sports team of any note They are thou surrounded by other clubs that would effect them more than Cardiff from a football view
Having done work up at the university of sunderland for a few months I can honsestly say i never heard anyone talk about any other team sport but football
But with you regarding that we should be much better supported
Tue May 31, 2022 4:40 pm
Wed Jun 01, 2022 7:31 am
skiprat wrote:All complete and utter nonsense Sunderland have spent 86 seasons in the top Division compared to our 17.the best supported clubs are the ones who have spent the majority of their history in the top division.i challenge anyone to a name a club that got a bigger fanbase than us but has spent less than 17 seasons in the top division.im waiting??????.
Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:57 am
skiprat wrote:All complete and utter nonsense Sunderland have spent 86 seasons in the top Division compared to our 17.the best supported clubs are the ones who have spent the majority of their history in the top division.i challenge anyone to a name a club that got a bigger fanbase than us but has spent less than 17 seasons in the top division.im waiting??????.
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Wed Jun 01, 2022 11:23 am
GrangeEndStar wrote:I absolutely think we should be getting much bigger attendances given our catchment area of South East Wales is now officially 1.5m (Future Wales 2040 - The National Plan).
Many of the reasons have already been mentioned and like most things the truth is often in between and a mix of factors. The potential is definitely there though.
Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:11 pm