Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak resign from government

Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak resign from government -

Chancellor Rishi Sunak and Health Secretary Sajid Javid have resigned from government saying they no longer have confidence in Boris Johnson to lead the country.

Mr Sunak said the public expected government to be conducted "properly, competently and seriously".

Mr Javid echoed this in his resignation letter, saying the government was not "acting in the national interest".

The resignations came minutes after PM sought to draw a line under a row about MP Chris Pincher, who is facing sexual misconduct allegations.

Mr Johnson admitted he had made a "bad mistake" in appointing Mr Pincher to the role of deputy chief whip earlier this year, despite being told about earlier allegations about the MP's conduct.

His handling of the row has come in for fierce criticism from the opposition and some of his own MPs.

Two snakes slithering away from the controversy before they announce themselves as next in line to lead the Tories when Johnson's inevitable demise does come.

We needed Johnson's belligerence for the post-Brexit shenanigans (however you felt about it), but he is incapable of doing the job.

He has got to go

The end for Johnson is coming, and it's been clear for a while. The whole Chris Pincher affair has only emphasised this.

His only way out would be for him to call a general election and win it - he may well call the election but he's unlikely to win it at this moment.

I like Boris but he hasn't done himself any favours,he knows the BBC , sky etc are after his blood,and yet he still does these things,if labour are rubbing there hands they need to think again,who ever takes over will have a fresh start and will most probably regain voters back who were voting lib Dems as a protest ,plus what happens if starmer gets a fine for his beer and curry will he resign like he said

Should the person in charge of producing our new kit on the launch day resign.

I like Boris but he hasn't done himself any favours,he knows the BBC , sky etc are after his blood,and yet he still does these things,if labour are rubbing there hands they need to think again,who ever takes over will have a fresh start and will most probably regain voters back who were voting lib Dems as a protest ,plus what happens if starmer gets a fine for his beer and curry will he resign like he said

I’m not sure you can blame BBC and Sky for the mess he’s in.

Yes, they’ve exposed him as a law breaker, untrustworthy and a liar but he did this to himself, otherwise they’d have nothing expose !!

Even his cabinet colleagues and civil servants know he’s done all this and that they can’t stand by and watch it happen.

You reap what you sow …………….

Javid and Sunak have signed for Glamorgan for next season.

I like Boris but he hasn't done himself any favours,he knows the BBC , sky etc are after his blood,and yet he still does these things,if labour are rubbing there hands they need to think again,who ever takes over will have a fresh start and will most probably regain voters back who were voting lib Dems as a protest ,plus what happens if starmer gets a fine for his beer and curry will he resign like he said

Agree ,I think these two going is going to reset the tax policy and having a brexiteer as a Chancellor might tip it back in cons favour,its been a shit show recently and labour are only 1 to 5 points in the lead in the polls so it doesn't look like that starmer is wanted either .if he's has to resign then it's a right mess too .

I voted for him through gritted teeth last election but couldn't touch him now, he clearly is not up to it. It all started to go tits up when Cummings left as daft Carrie thinks she is some kind of political strategist.

This has nothing to do with BBC or Sky news, if he didn't give them so much by lying every time he spoke he wouldn't be up shit creek without a paddle. He doesn't have the application for the position

I voted for him through gritted teeth last election but couldn't touch him now, he clearly is not up to it. It all started to go tits up when Cummings left as daft Carrie thinks she is some kind of political strategist.

This has nothing to do with BBC or Sky news, if he didn't give them so much by lying every time he spoke he wouldn't be up shit creek without a paddle. He doesn't have the application for the position

Agree about cummings, boris since he's left has become a woke eco socialist such a disappointment wanted him to do well and actually deliver on its manifesto.

Nadhim Zahawi as chancellor. It makes, me want to throw up. He along with Patal come over here and tell us we don't need foreign workers. Can't get an holiday abroad because of chaos at the airports. Can't get a bus no drivers. Can't get staff in nursing homes because of piss poor pay What a tucking shambles.

Well, quite a lot in the space of a few hours. Here's a recap of the main developments:

Boris Johnson has had to appoint a new chancellor - Nadhim Zahawi - and new health secretary - Steve Barclay

This followed the dramatic resignations of Rishi Sunak and Sajid Javid within minutes of each other

Earlier in the evening, the PM apologised for appointing a Tory MP to his government who had faced allegations of sexual misconduct

Sunak said the public expected "government to be conducted properly, competently and seriously"

Javid said he had "lost confidence" in Boris Johnson

There followed the resignation of Conservative Party Vice-Chairman Bim Afolami, which he did live on TV

A number of parliamentary aides have also quit

The tories are scum

We needed Johnson's belligerence for the post-Brexit shenanigans (however you felt about it), but he is incapable of doing the job.

He has got to go

Have to agree.

The tories are scum

Be careful what you wish for.

The tories are scum

So are communist bastards

Massive delays in getting passports, drivers licenses, benefits, immigration appeals, justice system etc., this governments answer to all of that - get rid of 90,000 civil servants

Now I do understand that civil servants aren't the most popular area of our economy despite them n being on a pay freeze from 2012 until 2018 and then only limited to a 1.5 - 2.0% pay rise in recent years. There probably is room to reduce numbers once they are provided with updated IT in may departments but to reduce on the back of huge backlogs caused by the pandemic it bordering on ineptitude and will cause even greater delays for those of us trying to get things like a passport renewed (yes I am one of them ).

You wouldn't run a private business that way. You would invest in IT, equipment, estate, etc., get your business lean and then look to realise staffing benefits (i.e. reduce numbers).

Massive delays in getting passports, drivers licenses, benefits, immigration appeals, justice system etc., this governments answer to all of that - get rid of 90,000 civil servants

Now I do understand that civil servants aren't the most popular area of our economy despite them n being on a pay freeze from 2012 until 2018 and then only limited to a 1.5 - 2.0% pay rise in recent years. There probably is room to reduce numbers once they are provided with updated IT in may departments but to reduce on the back of huge backlogs caused by the pandemic it bordering on ineptitude and will cause even greater delays for those of us trying to get things like a passport renewed (yes I am one of them ).

You wouldn't run a private business that way. You would invest in IT, equipment, estate, etc., get your business lean and then look to realise staffing benefits (i.e. reduce numbers).

The 90k are staff that were taken on doing the pandemic tho ,maily covud testing etc ,its going back to pre pandemic numbers tho ?

Massive delays in getting passports, drivers licenses, benefits, immigration appeals, justice system etc., this governments answer to all of that - get rid of 90,000 civil servants

Now I do understand that civil servants aren't the most popular area of our economy despite them n being on a pay freeze from 2012 until 2018 and then only limited to a 1.5 - 2.0% pay rise in recent years. There probably is room to reduce numbers once they are provided with updated IT in may departments but to reduce on the back of huge backlogs caused by the pandemic it bordering on ineptitude and will cause even greater delays for those of us trying to get things like a passport renewed (yes I am one of them ).

You wouldn't run a private business that way. You would invest in IT, equipment, estate, etc., get your business lean and then look to realise staffing benefits (i.e. reduce numbers).

The 90k are staff that were taken on doing the pandemic tho ,maily covud testing etc ,its going back to pre pandemic numbers tho ?

No, I can categorically tell you that the "pandemic recovery" posts were separately funded and most of those went on 31st March 2022, certainly in most of the departments. They were not even included in overall headcount figures for many departments.

In addition, those posts were, in the vast majority of cases, "Agency" staff so can be terminated as soon as the work situation improves if they are already in post. No pension contribution, security of employment so no real long term risk of increasing headcount.

Massive delays in getting passports, drivers licenses, benefits, immigration appeals, justice system etc., this governments answer to all of that - get rid of 90,000 civil servants

Now I do understand that civil servants aren't the most popular area of our economy despite them n being on a pay freeze from 2012 until 2018 and then only limited to a 1.5 - 2.0% pay rise in recent years. There probably is room to reduce numbers once they are provided with updated IT in may departments but to reduce on the back of huge backlogs caused by the pandemic it bordering on ineptitude and will cause even greater delays for those of us trying to get things like a passport renewed (yes I am one of them ).

You wouldn't run a private business that way. You would invest in IT, equipment, estate, etc., get your business lean and then look to realise staffing benefits (i.e. reduce numbers).

The 90k are staff that were taken on doing the pandemic tho ,maily covud testing etc ,its going back to pre pandemic numbers tho ?

No, I can categorically tell you that the "pandemic recovery" posts were separately funded and most of those went on 31st March 2022, certainly in most of the departments. They were not even included in overall headcount figures for many departments.

In addition, those posts were, in the vast majority of cases, "Agency" staff so can be terminated as soon as the work situation improves if they are already in post. No pension contribution, security of employment so no real long term risk of increasing headcount.

Well thats the official line is that 90k extra staff were take on during the pandemic across all departments and government will be going back to pre pandemic numbers hence the 90k jobs going .I would privatised most of the services like the passport office anyway .

Massive delays in getting passports, drivers licenses, benefits, immigration appeals, justice system etc., this governments answer to all of that - get rid of 90,000 civil servants

Now I do understand that civil servants aren't the most popular area of our economy despite them n being on a pay freeze from 2012 until 2018 and then only limited to a 1.5 - 2.0% pay rise in recent years. There probably is room to reduce numbers once they are provided with updated IT in may departments but to reduce on the back of huge backlogs caused by the pandemic it bordering on ineptitude and will cause even greater delays for those of us trying to get things like a passport renewed (yes I am one of them ).

You wouldn't run a private business that way. You would invest in IT, equipment, estate, etc., get your business lean and then look to realise staffing benefits (i.e. reduce numbers).

The 90k are staff that were taken on doing the pandemic tho ,maily covud testing etc ,its going back to pre pandemic numbers tho ?

The Civil Service invest in I.T systems just like all its other Governmental departments. These new upgrades are quite a challenge to install due to the size of the service it has to provide. From my experience working within these department the problem are generated by the 3rd party suppliers. The private businesses of it all. For me these departments should kick the private businesses into touch and bring it all in house.

Massive delays in getting passports, drivers licenses, benefits, immigration appeals, justice system etc., this governments answer to all of that - get rid of 90,000 civil servants

Now I do understand that civil servants aren't the most popular area of our economy despite them n being on a pay freeze from 2012 until 2018 and then only limited to a 1.5 - 2.0% pay rise in recent years. There probably is room to reduce numbers once they are provided with updated IT in may departments but to reduce on the back of huge backlogs caused by the pandemic it bordering on ineptitude and will cause even greater delays for those of us trying to get things like a passport renewed (yes I am one of them ).

You wouldn't run a private business that way. You would invest in IT, equipment, estate, etc., get your business lean and then look to realise staffing benefits (i.e. reduce numbers).

The 90k are staff that were taken on doing the pandemic tho ,maily covud testing etc ,its going back to pre pandemic numbers tho ?

No, I can categorically tell you that the "pandemic recovery" posts were separately funded and most of those went on 31st March 2022, certainly in most of the departments. They were not even included in overall headcount figures for many departments.

In addition, those posts were, in the vast majority of cases, "Agency" staff so can be terminated as soon as the work situation improves if they are already in post. No pension contribution, security of employment so no real long term risk of increasing headcount.

Well thats the official line is that 90k extra staff were take on during the pandemic across all departments and government will be going back to pre pandemic numbers hence the 90k jobs going .I would privatised most of the services like the passport office anyway .

And you're still believing what this government is telling you

The COVID testing staff came under local authority and/or NHS headcount not civil servants. Again, completely separately funded and recorded under separate headcounts.

Track and trace staff were often, not in all areas, provided by private "call centre" type companies and paid out of the public purse (paid higher than civil servants by the way !!).

Rees-Mogg is playing with us and people are still swallowing his rhetoric.

Here is my take on will ironically happen next. Boris will be forced out by the 1922 committee when they change the rules. shortly after Sir Keir Starma will be fined over the beer party - and he will have to resign - as he said he would.

The conservatives will elect a leader within 10 days - my money is on Penny Mordant. In the mean time Labour will take over 6 months to choose a new leader. They have a very long winded and drawn out process , that goes to members, then the conference, then the PLP and then all the Labour members - I think. By the time it ends most of the candidates have bored the public to death and back.

If Labour go for the "ginger growler" (her words) they wont get anywhere - especially after her scum chants and the fact she made up those allegations.

My take on it - we may have 2 female leaders within a few months. Penny Mordant is here

Here is my take on will ironically happen next. Boris will be forced out by the 1922 committee when they change the rules. shortly after Sir Keir Starma will be fined over the beer party - and he will have to resign - as he said he would.

The conservatives will elect a leader within 10 days - my money is on Penny Mordant. In the mean time Labour will take over 6 months to choose a new leader. They have a very long winded and drawn out process , that goes to members, then the conference, then the PLP and then all the Labour members - I think. By the time it ends most of the candidates have bored the public to death and back.

If Labour go for the "ginger growler" (her words) they wont get anywhere - especially after her scum chants and the fact she made up those allegations.

My take on it - we may have 2 female leaders within a few months. Penny Mordant is here

You could be right .

Massive delays in getting passports, drivers licenses, benefits, immigration appeals, justice system etc., this governments answer to all of that - get rid of 90,000 civil servants

Now I do understand that civil servants aren't the most popular area of our economy despite them n being on a pay freeze from 2012 until 2018 and then only limited to a 1.5 - 2.0% pay rise in recent years. There probably is room to reduce numbers once they are provided with updated IT in may departments but to reduce on the back of huge backlogs caused by the pandemic it bordering on ineptitude and will cause even greater delays for those of us trying to get things like a passport renewed (yes I am one of them ).

You wouldn't run a private business that way. You would invest in IT, equipment, estate, etc., get your business lean and then look to realise staffing benefits (i.e. reduce numbers).

Have you ever worked on a large Govt IT project ? , ever worked on a project where the Welsh Govt chooses to not adopt the central IT system and choses to do some competely different (because they are Welsh Gov) - I have and the wastage and stupid politics involved is staggering as is the petty politics.

Massive delays in getting passports, drivers licenses, benefits, immigration appeals, justice system etc., this governments answer to all of that - get rid of 90,000 civil servants

Now I do understand that civil servants aren't the most popular area of our economy despite them n being on a pay freeze from 2012 until 2018 and then only limited to a 1.5 - 2.0% pay rise in recent years. There probably is room to reduce numbers once they are provided with updated IT in may departments but to reduce on the back of huge backlogs caused by the pandemic it bordering on ineptitude and will cause even greater delays for those of us trying to get things like a passport renewed (yes I am one of them ).

You wouldn't run a private business that way. You would invest in IT, equipment, estate, etc., get your business lean and then look to realise staffing benefits (i.e. reduce numbers).

Have you ever worked on a large Govt IT project ? , ever worked on a project where the Welsh Govt chooses to not adopt the central IT system and choses to do some competely different (because they are Welsh Gov) - I have and the wastage and stupid politics involved is staggering as is the petty politics.

I have, but with the Whitehall departments not devolved so I have no experience of that dynamic.

Believe you me, ministers are asking Whitehall departments to operate with IT systems designed and created in 1996 in some cases that are now completely unsupported and simply refusing to invest unless they first shed staff to pay for it.

In a number of departments plans were in place to invest when the Tories took over and they then scrapped them during austerity. They said it was a short-term decision, that has now lasted 10+ years and systems are close to catastrophic collapse now.

Even a layman would know you have to get the systems right first with the staff there to assist in that development before realising the later savings. Simple business planning that seems beyond this government.

The tories are scum

So are communist bastards

Yes I'd rather liars than the loony left, that's for sure. All politicians lie anyway, it's just the clever ones don't get caught out

The tories are scum

So are communist bastards

Yes I'd rather liars than the loony left, that's for sure. All politicians lie anyway, it's just the clever ones don't get caught out

Agree ,hate these looney far left hypocritical clowns, especially the self confessed commies.

Here is my take on will ironically happen next. Boris will be forced out by the 1922 committee when they change the rules. shortly after Sir Keir Starma will be fined over the beer party - and he will have to resign - as he said he would.

The conservatives will elect a leader within 10 days - my money is on Penny Mordant. In the mean time Labour will take over 6 months to choose a new leader. They have a very long winded and drawn out process , that goes to members, then the conference, then the PLP and then all the Labour members - I think. By the time it ends most of the candidates have bored the public to death and back.

If Labour go for the "ginger growler" (her words) they wont get anywhere - especially after her scum chants and the fact she made up those allegations.

My take on it - we may have 2 female leaders within a few months. Penny Mordant is here

You could be right .

I don't disagree with that although I think the the Labour leadership is probably less obvious.

I certainly believe that Starmer will resign if fined.

With Andy Burnham not eligible (he's not an MP at the moment) I think it's wide open but I would have thought Labour will have learnt from the Corbyn disaster so more likely to be someone left of centre like Starmer.