TRUST REPORT ON FANS` REPRESENTATIVES MEETING WITH CCFC CHAI

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TRUST REPORT ON FANS` REPRESENTATIVES MEETING WITH CCFC CHAIR



On Sunday 30 April 2023 representatives of the Trust, the Supporters`Club ,the Disabled Supporters Association and independent travel groups were invited to attend a meeting at Cardiff City Stadium with Club Chairman Mehmet Dalman. The invitation was received on the day before.

The meeting took place after the Huddersfield match in the Fred Keenor Lounge, starting just after 3.40 p.m and following immediately after a 2.45 p.m. meeting the Chair had held with media representatives Rob Phillips, Chris Wathan and Paul Abbandonato. Neither group attended each others` meeting.

The meeting was informal in nature and a free flowing debate ensued with issues raised by both fans representatives and Club officials. Club officials in attendance were Chairman Mehmet Dalman (MD), Finance Director Phillip Jenkins(PJ),Head of Operations Wayne Nash(WN),Head of Communications Mark Denham(MD),Supporter Liaison Manager Amy McNiven(AM) and Supporter Liaison Officer Paul Corkery(PC). Club Director Steve Borley(SB) was also present for part of the meeting.



Transfer Embargo

MD agreed that the EFL previous correspondence with the Trust in which they stated that the club was not subject to a player registration embargo was correct but clarified the position.

Following payment by the club of the first instalment of the Emiliano Sala transfer fee to FC Nantes it was no longer subject to a FIFA transfer embargo. However, the EFL has confirmed to the club that, as a consequence of a breach of its regulations, the club remains under a three transfer window ban from paying any loan or transfer fees for new players.

Worryingly, MD stated that the club has been told that this embargo will remain in place even if the club pays the remaining two transfer instalments due or otherwise reaches settlement of the matter with FC Nantes. The club has appealed this decision with the EFL as it can only be overturned by a meeting of the EFL main board. The Trust raised its concern that Peter Ridsdale is a main board director of the EFL and that he is hardly favourably disposed towards CCFC.



Director of Football

MD acknowledged the absence of football expertise at board level at CCFC. He was supportive of the idea of bringing more football knowledge into the club. In his opinion the title of the position does not matter it’s his contribution that’s important. He said that he would again be recommending to club owner Vincent Tan(VT) to make such an appointment. However, he also stressed that the ultimate decision maker on this matter remains VT.



Legal actions

MD re-emphasised his view that in respect of the Sala transfer the club had acted correctly and honourably and that the whole tragic affair was caused by the actions of others and had adversely impacted upon the club. VT still considers that CCFC should not have to bear the financial consequences of these actions and should continue to pursue the issue.

MD stated that the club was currently awaiting a decision from the Swiss Federal Tribunal concerning the Sala transfer decision from CAS (it had been expected a few months ago) and would react accordingly once received.

MD was asked if the club had tried to reach a compromise with FC Nantes over the matter and he stated that at least two efforts had been made to reach an agreement (including Nantes contributing to the Sala family support fund as CCFC have done) but that Nantes have declined such an agreement.

The meeting was advised by MD that both civil and criminal actions were being pursued by the club both in the UK and in France against various parties regarding the Sala matter. It was pointed out to him by the Trust that one such potential party Willie McKay remains an undischarged bankrupt until at least August 2023 and therefore unlikely to be a source of financial recovery and MD confirmed that the club was aware of this.



Manager

MD considered that Sabri Lamouchi had done a good job as manager and, with his contract due to run out soon, no action had yet been taken in respect of ongoing manager arrangements but he would be speaking to Sabri soon. He stated that Sabri was fully aware of the current transfer embargo position but was confident that he could manage it



Revenue generation

A fan present asked what the club was doing about revenue generation from sources such as stadium naming rights, shirt sponsorship etc. PJ confirmed that, because the football industry generally was in a state of financial difficulty, all potential income sources were being explored alongside a continuing review of expenditure. He stated that VT was not against a new shirt sponsor in general but was totally against sponsorship from the gambling industry. He also explained that stadium sponsorship could make some income impact but was not as financially lucrative as many might think in the current economic climate.



Sale of the club

MD re-stressed VT`s ongoing commitment to the club and also confirmed that there are no current discussions with any parties interested in acquiring the club. (this is perhaps unsurprising whilst the uncertainty remains over the Sala litigation position). He also stated that VT has confirmed that he would not under any circumstances sell the club to former owner Sam Hammam or any consortium or group on which he is involved or representing.



Fan consultation

A number of fans present expressed their concerns about what they regard as a total disconnect between fans of the club and VT and the club at board level. MD stated that he considered that he was doing his best to connect with fans by meetings such as this one, but asked if fans felt that there were other things he and the club could do. WN referred to the effectiveness of the SLO (Supporter Liaison Officer) meetings. The Trust agrees with this absolutely. The SLO meetings are very useful and achieve a lot but are not the forum to raise strategic issues such as those discussed at this particular meeting.

AM stated that she was continuing to progress the previously announced intention to hold “fans forum” type meetings (possibly as soon as June) with a larger, broader group of fans . At present she had only discussed this in any detail with the DSA and the Trust asked her to liaise with us ASAP to move this forward. AM suggested that the format of such meetings (which MD confirmed he would attend) might be similar to those previously held successfully by way of a roadshow when Neil Warnock was manager but it was pointed out that part of this success was down to the personality of the individual and wouldn’t necessarily work in the same way again.





Keith Morgan

Chair

B×LLS×IT.

Beyond Bull shit and once again sucking up to Dalmann& Choo incredible, who the hell is the trust?

Represent 90 fans max

Beyond Bull shit and once again sucking up to Dalmann& Choo incredible, who the hell is the trust?

Represent 90 fans max

Annis please at least try and read things properly and stick to facts not fiction.

The report sent out to Trust members was a factual account of what was said at a meeting attended by fan representatives who between them represent a couple of thousand fans , not 90 as you claim. That includes Supporters Club , Supporters Trust and Disabled Supporter Association members. Also at the meeting were some independent travel club members.

There was most certainly no "sucking up to Dalman and Choo" as you claim. You only need to ask anyone who was there and they would also be able to tell you that Ken Choo wasn`t even there.

To directly answer your question of "who the hell is the trust(sic)", it is a long standing independent body of Cardiff City fans that is an active member of the national Football Supporters Association that is also a fully registered organisation registered with the Financial Conduct Authority. The Trust board is made up of long standing CCFC fans who are elected each year by its members.

I notice that you haven`t responded to the fact that it was you who invited me to the meeting with Sam that you say I wasn`t invited to.

When you don`t understand things or don`t agree with facts please don`t make up things which can so easily be seen to be false. It doesn`t show you in a good light.

Anyway, he will not sell to Sam? True or bargaining do you think ?

"Sale of the club

MD re-stressed VT`s ongoing commitment to the club and also confirmed that there are no current discussions with any parties interested in acquiring the club. (this is perhaps unsurprising whilst the uncertainty remains over the Sala litigation position). He also stated that VT has confirmed that he would not under any circumstances sell the club to former owner Sam Hammam or any consortium or group on which he is involved or representing."

When I tell people that we have received offers for the club they ask what proof do I have. Well there you have it.

"Sale of the club

MD re-stressed VT`s ongoing commitment to the club and also confirmed that there are no current discussions with any parties interested in acquiring the club. (this is perhaps unsurprising whilst the uncertainty remains over the Sala litigation position). He also stated that VT has confirmed that he would not under any circumstances sell the club to former owner Sam Hammam or any consortium or group on which he is involved or representing."

When I tell people that we have received offers for the club they ask what proof do I have. Well there you have it.

Was it a sensible offer though ?

No idea how you value a football club but if my house is worth £500k and you offer £375K then it's not really an offer

Beyond Bull shit and once again sucking up to Dalmann& Choo incredible, who the hell is the trust?

Represent 90 fans max

Annis please at least try and read things properly and stick to facts not fiction.

The report sent out to Trust members was a factual account of what was said at a meeting attended by fan representatives who between them represent a couple of thousand fans , not 90 as you claim. That includes Supporters Club , Supporters Trust and Disabled Supporter Association members. Also at the meeting were some independent travel club members.

There was most certainly no "sucking up to Dalman and Choo" as you claim. You only need to ask anyone who was there and they would also be able to tell you that Ken Choo wasn`t even there.

To directly answer your question of "who the hell is the trust(sic)", it is a long standing independent body of Cardiff City fans that is an active member of the national Football Supporters Association that is also a fully registered organisation registered with the Financial Conduct Authority. The Trust board is made up of long standing CCFC fans who are elected each year by its members.

I notice that you haven`t responded to the fact that it was you who invited me to the meeting with Sam that you say I wasn`t invited to.

When you don`t understand things or don`t agree with facts please don`t make up things which can so easily be seen to be false. It doesn`t show you in a good light.

Yes Keith I did invite you.

But Sam Uninvited you and you know that is 100% true.

Your friendship / closeness to the Hierarchy/ Committee / Regime / Clowns what ever you want to call them was the reason.



I will say it again I don’t see the point of the Trust, absolutely useless and 90 max what a load of crap.

I will say it again, you could not pay me to have meetings with them as they only tell you a load of crap.

For me this is the truth and deep down you know it.

"Sale of the club

MD re-stressed VT`s ongoing commitment to the club and also confirmed that there are no current discussions with any parties interested in acquiring the club. (this is perhaps unsurprising whilst the uncertainty remains over the Sala litigation position). He also stated that VT has confirmed that he would not under any circumstances sell the club to former owner Sam Hammam or any consortium or group on which he is involved or representing."

When I tell people that we have received offers for the club they ask what proof do I have. Well there you have it.

Was it a sensible offer though ?

No idea how you value a football club but if my house is worth £500k and you offer £375K then it's not really an offer

An offer of £100m was put forward with another £100m if we got to the premier. Tan wants £200m upfront.

£200m for us? We are not worth £100m. Says it all really.

Beyond Bull shit and once again sucking up to Dalmann& Choo incredible, who the hell is the trust?

Represent 90 fans max

Annis please at least try and read things properly and stick to facts not fiction.

The report sent out to Trust members was a factual account of what was said at a meeting attended by fan representatives who between them represent a couple of thousand fans , not 90 as you claim. That includes Supporters Club , Supporters Trust and Disabled Supporter Association members. Also at the meeting were some independent travel club members.

There was most certainly no "sucking up to Dalman and Choo" as you claim. You only need to ask anyone who was there and they would also be able to tell you that Ken Choo wasn`t even there.

To directly answer your question of "who the hell is the trust(sic)", it is a long standing independent body of Cardiff City fans that is an active member of the national Football Supporters Association that is also a fully registered organisation registered with the Financial Conduct Authority. The Trust board is made up of long standing CCFC fans who are elected each year by its members.

I notice that you haven`t responded to the fact that it was you who invited me to the meeting with Sam that you say I wasn`t invited to.

When you don`t understand things or don`t agree with facts please don`t make up things which can so easily be seen to be false. It doesn`t show you in a good light.

Yes Keith I did invite you.

But Sam Uninvited you and you know that is 100% true.

Your friendship / closeness to the Hierarchy/ Committee / Regime / Clowns what ever you want to call them was the reason.



I will say it again I don’t see the point of the Trust, absolutely useless and 90 max what a load of crap.

I will say it again, you could not pay me to have meetings with them as they only tell you a load of crap.

For me this is the truth and deep down you know it.

Annis, you are either still making up things or still have little understanding of what people write or say.

You invited me to the meeting then Sam rang me to say perhaps not a good idea as I would have had to attend as a Trust board member and, as he pointed out, it was not intended to be a formal meeting. Did you go to the meeting yourself and was it an informal one?
No problem at all with Sam , as he explained fully when we spoke on the phone this morning after he rang me to apologise for the mix up.
You have again made up a figure about Trust membership with no basis in fact. The actual membership is just under 400 so nowhere near as low as the figure you quote and is a membership figure similar to a number of other Championship club Trusts. You say that you don`t see the point of Supporters Trusts and that is fine but that view appears to be largely based of your lack of understanding of what they are about and how influential they are in getting things done for fans in general.

All of the CCFC Trust board are long standing supporters of the club (not any of its owners or directors at any point in time_) and some of us have been loyal supporters for longer than you and that remains our first priority.

Beyond Bull shit and once again sucking up to Dalmann& Choo incredible, who the hell is the trust?

Represent 90 fans max

Annis please at least try and read things properly and stick to facts not fiction.

The report sent out to Trust members was a factual account of what was said at a meeting attended by fan representatives who between them represent a couple of thousand fans , not 90 as you claim. That includes Supporters Club , Supporters Trust and Disabled Supporter Association members. Also at the meeting were some independent travel club members.

There was most certainly no "sucking up to Dalman and Choo" as you claim. You only need to ask anyone who was there and they would also be able to tell you that Ken Choo wasn`t even there.

To directly answer your question of "who the hell is the trust(sic)", it is a long standing independent body of Cardiff City fans that is an active member of the national Football Supporters Association that is also a fully registered organisation registered with the Financial Conduct Authority. The Trust board is made up of long standing CCFC fans who are elected each year by its members.

I notice that you haven`t responded to the fact that it was you who invited me to the meeting with Sam that you say I wasn`t invited to.

When you don`t understand things or don`t agree with facts please don`t make up things which can so easily be seen to be false. It doesn`t show you in a good light.

Yes Keith I did invite you.

But Sam Uninvited you and you know that is 100% true.

Your friendship / closeness to the Hierarchy/ Committee / Regime / Clowns what ever you want to call them was the reason.



I will say it again I don’t see the point of the Trust, absolutely useless and 90 max what a load of crap.

I will say it again, you could not pay me to have meetings with them as they only tell you a load of crap.

For me this is the truth and deep down you know it.

Annis, you are either still making up things or still have little understanding of what people write or say.

You invited me to the meeting then Sam rang me to say perhaps not a good idea as I would have had to attend as a Trust board member and, as he pointed out, it was not intended to be a formal meeting. Did you go to the meeting yourself and was it an informal one?
No problem at all with Sam , as he explained fully when we spoke on the phone this morning after he rang me to apologise for the mix up.
You have again made up a figure about Trust membership with no basis in fact. The actual membership is just under 400 so nowhere near as low as the figure you quote and is a membership figure similar to a number of other Championship club Trusts. You say that you don`t see the point of Supporters Trusts and that is fine but that view appears to be largely based of your lack of understanding of what they are about and how influential they are in getting things done for fans in general.

All of the CCFC Trust board are long standing supporters of the club (not any of its owners or directors at any point in time_) and some of us have been loyal supporters for longer than you and that remains our first priority.

Keith,

I have told the truth regarding the meeting with Sam
As to what went on why would I tell you when Sam did not want you there.

As to 400 Members? When did all these renew and when did they all last pay their Memberships??

As to the rest that’s my view that the Trust is completely useless, so I am not making that up that’s my view and I stand by it.

Beyond Bull shit and once again sucking up to Dalmann& Choo incredible, who the hell is the trust?

Represent 90 fans max

Annis please at least try and read things properly and stick to facts not fiction.

The report sent out to Trust members was a factual account of what was said at a meeting attended by fan representatives who between them represent a couple of thousand fans , not 90 as you claim. That includes Supporters Club , Supporters Trust and Disabled Supporter Association members. Also at the meeting were some independent travel club members.

There was most certainly no "sucking up to Dalman and Choo" as you claim. You only need to ask anyone who was there and they would also be able to tell you that Ken Choo wasn`t even there.

To directly answer your question of "who the hell is the trust(sic)", it is a long standing independent body of Cardiff City fans that is an active member of the national Football Supporters Association that is also a fully registered organisation registered with the Financial Conduct Authority. The Trust board is made up of long standing CCFC fans who are elected each year by its members.

I notice that you haven`t responded to the fact that it was you who invited me to the meeting with Sam that you say I wasn`t invited to.

When you don`t understand things or don`t agree with facts please don`t make up things which can so easily be seen to be false. It doesn`t show you in a good light.

Yes Keith I did invite you.

But Sam Uninvited you and you know that is 100% true.

Your friendship / closeness to the Hierarchy/ Committee / Regime / Clowns what ever you want to call them was the reason.



I will say it again I don’t see the point of the Trust, absolutely useless and 90 max what a load of crap.

I will say it again, you could not pay me to have meetings with them as they only tell you a load of crap.

For me this is the truth and deep down you know it.

Annis, you are either still making up things or still have little understanding of what people write or say.

You invited me to the meeting then Sam rang me to say perhaps not a good idea as I would have had to attend as a Trust board member and, as he pointed out, it was not intended to be a formal meeting. Did you go to the meeting yourself and was it an informal one?
No problem at all with Sam , as he explained fully when we spoke on the phone this morning after he rang me to apologise for the mix up.
You have again made up a figure about Trust membership with no basis in fact. The actual membership is just under 400 so nowhere near as low as the figure you quote and is a membership figure similar to a number of other Championship club Trusts. You say that you don`t see the point of Supporters Trusts and that is fine but that view appears to be largely based of your lack of understanding of what they are about and how influential they are in getting things done for fans in general.

All of the CCFC Trust board are long standing supporters of the club (not any of its owners or directors at any point in time_) and some of us have been loyal supporters for longer than you and that remains our first priority.

Keith,

I have told the truth regarding the meeting with Sam
As to what went on why would I tell you when Sam did not want you there.

As to 400 Members? When did all these renew and when did they all last pay their Memberships??

As to the rest that’s my view that the Trust is completely useless, so I am not making that up that’s my view and I stand by it.

To deal with each of your points in turn so that readers of the board have facts rather than fiction.

1.Is it true that you didn`t go to the meeting with Sam yourself and so have to rely on what others tell you happened? So it would be hard for you to tell me what happened based on your first hand experience.

2.The number of Trust members has remained fairly steady at the current numbers for a number of years and they renew monthly. Very few members fail to renew but we lose some from deaths etc. which tend to be replaced by new members to keep membership numbers steady. The number of members is similar to many other clubs in the Championship.

3. Of course you are entitled to your view about Trusts being completely useless but this view doesn`t tend to be consistent with the views of hundreds of thousands of fans across the UK and many hundreds of thousands more across Europe. Our Trust here at CCFC is regarded as an important voice in the FSA and has been very active in getting a far greater say for all fans with issues such as the recent Government White Paper to which we continue to contribute. Have you read the White Paper or the Fans Led Review papers which led up to it?

B×LLS×IT.

Jules, I couldn't have put it better myself...!

It seems odd that one meeting occurred where the Trust weren't invited and another occurred where they were (invited) and I find it no coincidence (and disappointing) that Dalman brought up the subject of Vincent Tan never selling to Sam...

How was that suddenly on the agenda...?

As a certain person would say...Hmmmmm

Beyond Bull shit and once again sucking up to Dalmann& Choo incredible, who the hell is the trust?

Represent 90 fans max

Annis please at least try and read things properly and stick to facts not fiction.

The report sent out to Trust members was a factual account of what was said at a meeting attended by fan representatives who between them represent a couple of thousand fans , not 90 as you claim. That includes Supporters Club , Supporters Trust and Disabled Supporter Association members. Also at the meeting were some independent travel club members.

There was most certainly no "sucking up to Dalman and Choo" as you claim. You only need to ask anyone who was there and they would also be able to tell you that Ken Choo wasn`t even there.

To directly answer your question of "who the hell is the trust(sic)", it is a long standing independent body of Cardiff City fans that is an active member of the national Football Supporters Association that is also a fully registered organisation registered with the Financial Conduct Authority. The Trust board is made up of long standing CCFC fans who are elected each year by its members.

I notice that you haven`t responded to the fact that it was you who invited me to the meeting with Sam that you say I wasn`t invited to.

When you don`t understand things or don`t agree with facts please don`t make up things which can so easily be seen to be false. It doesn`t show you in a good light.

Yes Keith I did invite you.

But Sam Uninvited you and you know that is 100% true.

Your friendship / closeness to the Hierarchy/ Committee / Regime / Clowns what ever you want to call them was the reason.



I will say it again I don’t see the point of the Trust, absolutely useless and 90 max what a load of crap.

I will say it again, you could not pay me to have meetings with them as they only tell you a load of crap.

For me this is the truth and deep down you know it.

Annis, you are either still making up things or still have little understanding of what people write or say.

You invited me to the meeting then Sam rang me to say perhaps not a good idea as I would have had to attend as a Trust board member and, as he pointed out, it was not intended to be a formal meeting. Did you go to the meeting yourself and was it an informal one?
No problem at all with Sam , as he explained fully when we spoke on the phone this morning after he rang me to apologise for the mix up.
You have again made up a figure about Trust membership with no basis in fact. The actual membership is just under 400 so nowhere near as low as the figure you quote and is a membership figure similar to a number of other Championship club Trusts. You say that you don`t see the point of Supporters Trusts and that is fine but that view appears to be largely based of your lack of understanding of what they are about and how influential they are in getting things done for fans in general.

All of the CCFC Trust board are long standing supporters of the club (not any of its owners or directors at any point in time_) and some of us have been loyal supporters for longer than you and that remains our first priority.

Keith,

I have told the truth regarding the meeting with Sam
As to what went on why would I tell you when Sam did not want you there.

As to 400 Members? When did all these renew and when did they all last pay their Memberships??

As to the rest that’s my view that the Trust is completely useless, so I am not making that up that’s my view and I stand by it.

To deal with each of your points in turn so that readers of the board have facts rather than fiction.

1.Is it true that you didn`t go to the meeting with Sam yourself and so have to rely on what others tell you happened? So it would be hard for you to tell me what happened based on your first hand experience.

2.The number of Trust members has remained fairly steady at the current numbers for a number of years and they renew monthly. Very few members fail to renew but we lose some from deaths etc. which tend to be replaced by new members to keep membership numbers steady. The number of members is similar to many other clubs in the Championship.

3. Of course you are entitled to your view about Trusts being completely useless but this view doesn`t tend to be consistent with the views of hundreds of thousands of fans across the UK and many hundreds of thousands more across Europe. Our Trust here at CCFC is regarded as an important voice in the FSA and has been very active in getting a far greater say for all fans with issues such as the recent Government White Paper to which we continue to contribute. Have you read the White Paper or the Fans Led Review papers which led up to it?

Actually Keith I met Sam on his own as to the meeting I had to cancel as the last few weeks I have been in and out of hospital, but I like to keep things like that to Myself. After Rotherham away I had been travelling for nearly 18hrs and I had to lie in bed during the meeting to rest, but I am not going to say anymore.

Sam stopped you coming there is the difference, I had to stop myself due to illness but Sam and I caught up later on everything.

I speak to Sam at least 6 times a week .


If I remember you saying Choo is on his way out?

As to the Trust how many are paying monthly?

B×LLS×IT.

Jules, I couldn't have put it better myself...!

It seems odd that one meeting occurred where the Trust weren't invited and another occurred where they were (invited) and I find it no coincidence (and disappointing) that Dalman brought up the subject of Vincent Tan never selling to Sam...

How was that suddenly on the agenda...?

As a certain person would say...Hmmmmm

Yes not selling to Sam was disappointing to read but I'm not surprised.

Tan is stubborn and can act like a spoilt brat. The Rebrand being a prime example. He will continue to cut, cut, cut until he can pay the wages from the loose change in his back pocket. Where that is going to take us, most likely further down, he will not care. As long as he does not have to sell to Sam that is all he is worried about.

B×LLS×IT.

Jules, I couldn't have put it better myself...!

It seems odd that one meeting occurred where the Trust weren't invited and another occurred where they were (invited) and I find it no coincidence (and disappointing) that Dalman brought up the subject of Vincent Tan never selling to Sam...

How was that suddenly on the agenda...?

As a certain person would say...Hmmmmm

Yes not selling to Sam was disappointing to read but I'm not surprised.

Tan is stubborn and can act like a spoilt brat. The Rebrand being a prime example. He will continue to cut, cut, cut until he can pay the wages from the loose change in his back pocket. Where that is going to take us, most likely further down, he will not care. As long as he does not have to sell to Sam that is all he is worried about.

Ian,

Sam in the last 2 years had made 3 unbelievable bids via himself and 3rd parties.

So if Tan wants to turn genuine bids down then he deserves to take on the losses and he or Dalman can’t moan.


I will tell you now most City fans will not take another season like the last 3, enough is enough.


Tan is slowly killing our club.

B×LLS×IT.

Jules, I couldn't have put it better myself...!

It seems odd that one meeting occurred where the Trust weren't invited and another occurred where they were (invited) and I find it no coincidence (and disappointing) that Dalman brought up the subject of Vincent Tan never selling to Sam...

How was that suddenly on the agenda...?

As a certain person would say...Hmmmmm

Yes not selling to Sam was disappointing to read but I'm not surprised.

Tan is stubborn and can act like a spoilt brat. The Rebrand being a prime example. He will continue to cut, cut, cut until he can pay the wages from the loose change in his back pocket. Where that is going to take us, most likely further down, he will not care. As long as he does not have to sell to Sam that is all he is worried about.

Ian, of course you are correct but my point was that not for the first time details of a Sam meeting have been disclosed to others....

Last time it was a whole thread and this time the topic is mentioned at a meeting a day or two later with a club official who felt the need to reiterate Vincent Tan's stance...?

Coincidence or not? I'll let others make their own minds up but for me, it's no coincidence...

Who are these so called fans representatives at these so called meetings that only get half hearted answers tosssed back at them from the paid liar . Total waste of time you ask me but thats just an opinion

B×LLS×IT.

Jules, I couldn't have put it better myself...!

It seems odd that one meeting occurred where the Trust weren't invited and another occurred where they were (invited) and I find it no coincidence (and disappointing) that Dalman brought up the subject of Vincent Tan never selling to Sam...

How was that suddenly on the agenda...?

As a certain person would say...Hmmmmm

Hmmm indeed Chris,
A. I don't believe in coincidences.
B. Why do we only get to hear of meetings on here now and again when the Trust supposedly meet the club on a regular basis ?
C. If the owner is waiting to get £200m he really is in cuckoo land.
D. IMHO, he is being true to his word.. there's your blue shirt but no more investment.

B×LLS×IT.

Jules, I couldn't have put it better myself...!

It seems odd that one meeting occurred where the Trust weren't invited and another occurred where they were (invited) and I find it no coincidence (and disappointing) that Dalman brought up the subject of Vincent Tan never selling to Sam...

How was that suddenly on the agenda...?

As a certain person would say...Hmmmmm

Hmmm indeed Chris,
A. I don't believe in coincidences.
B. Why do we only get to hear of meetings on here now and again when the Trust supposedly meet the club on a regular basis ?
C. If the owner is waiting to get £200m he really is in cuckoo land.
D. IMHO, he is being true to his word.. there's your blue shirt but no more investment.

Jules, IMHO you are looking in the right direction with all those points..

There are few 'coincidences' at our club and a reason a certain element weren't invited to the first meeting of this weekend but I am told they knew it was going on, so....

As for the last point, I honestly feel there is a large element of that only interrupted by Neil Warnock's Premier League miracle

The sad events surrounding Emiliano Sala have made things even worse since but our current owner has a simple decision to make, i.e. does he genuinely want this/his club to climb back to the top table or not? If he does, that 'commitment' needs to be shown over this summer...

I'm becoming more sceptical as time moves on but Mehmet's comments to said second meeting, including the sensible (at this point) continuation with Sabri Lamouchi and Sol Bamba, may just be the start of a better season next time out...

Who are these so called fans representatives at these so called meetings that only get half hearted answers tosssed back at them from the paid liar . Total waste of time you ask me but thats just an opinion

Ian,


A spokesman who has about 90 followers.

Yet we have 14,500 season ticket holders.

The Committee/ Board only wants nodding yes men at their meetings.

Who are these so called fans representatives at these so called meetings that only get half hearted answers tosssed back at them from the paid liar . Total waste of time you ask me but thats just an opinion

Ian,


A spokesman who has about 90 followers.

Yet we have 14,500 season ticket holders.

The Committee/ Board only wants nodding yes men at their meetings.

Annis , why do you struggle so much to read posts put on here by people who don`t necessarily agree with you sometimes? You either can`t or won`t try and understand them or just ignore them anyway.

You have in very clear simple English been told on here on more than one occasion that the meetings with Dalman and other club officials are attended by a number of elected fans` representatives who represent many hundreds (perhaps thousands - I don`t have Supporters Club membership numbers to hand) of the club`s supporters and are totally independent of the club and its officers.

Last Sunday`s meeting after the Huddersfield game was attended by elected members of the Trust , the Supporters Club and the Disabled Supporters Association plus a few people who are independent travel organisers. All are loyal (and mostly long standing) CCFC fans. No "nodding yes men" in sight - your claim is a nonsense and insulting to true fans who do their very best for fans who have democratically elected them into their roles.

If your reference to a "spokesman who has about 90 followers" was meant as a snipe at me then again either your reading has let you down or you are being deliberately spiteful and misleading. As you have been told on here the Trust has around 400 members not 90. Why do you continue to ignore this fact and persist with your inaccurate claim?

Just for the record, the person who mentioned the Saturday meeting with Sam was another person at the meeting not me.

B×LLS×IT.

Jules, I couldn't have put it better myself...!

It seems odd that one meeting occurred where the Trust weren't invited and another occurred where they were (invited) and I find it no coincidence (and disappointing) that Dalman brought up the subject of Vincent Tan never selling to Sam...

How was that suddenly on the agenda...?

As a certain person would say...Hmmmmm

Hmmm indeed Chris,
A. I don't believe in coincidences.
B. Why do we only get to hear of meetings on here now and again when the Trust supposedly meet the club on a regular basis ?
C. If the owner is waiting to get £200m he really is in cuckoo land.
D. IMHO, he is being true to his word.. there's your blue shirt but no more investment.

Jules, IMHO you are looking in the right direction with all those points..

There are few 'coincidences' at our club and a reason a certain element weren't invited to the first meeting of this weekend but I am told they knew it was going on, so....

As for the last point, I honestly feel there is a large element of that only interrupted by Neil Warnock's Premier League miracle

The sad events surrounding Emiliano Sala have made things even worse since but our current owner has a simple decision to make, i.e. does he genuinely want this/his club to climb back to the top table or not? If he does, that 'commitment' needs to be shown over this summer...

I'm becoming more sceptical as time moves on but Mehmet's comments to said second meeting, including the sensible (at this point) continuation with Sabri Lamouchi and Sol Bamba, may just be the start of a better season next time out...

Agree but as we now know Mehmet can say what he likes then revert back to " I don't make the decisions ".
We have hurt Mr Tans pride and for that there is no forgiveness even if it costs him millions.

B×LLS×IT.

Jules, I couldn't have put it better myself...!

It seems odd that one meeting occurred where the Trust weren't invited and another occurred where they were (invited) and I find it no coincidence (and disappointing) that Dalman brought up the subject of Vincent Tan never selling to Sam...

How was that suddenly on the agenda...?

As a certain person would say...Hmmmmm

Hmmm indeed Chris,
A. I don't believe in coincidences.
B. Why do we only get to hear of meetings on here now and again when the Trust supposedly meet the club on a regular basis ?
C. If the owner is waiting to get £200m he really is in cuckoo land.
D. IMHO, he is being true to his word.. there's your blue shirt but no more investment.

Point D 100% true

B×LLS×IT.

Jules, I couldn't have put it better myself...!

It seems odd that one meeting occurred where the Trust weren't invited and another occurred where they were (invited) and I find it no coincidence (and disappointing) that Dalman brought up the subject of Vincent Tan never selling to Sam...

How was that suddenly on the agenda...?

As a certain person would say...Hmmmmm

Hmmm indeed Chris,
A. I don't believe in coincidences.
B. Why do we only get to hear of meetings on here now and again when the Trust supposedly meet the club on a regular basis ?
C. If the owner is waiting to get £200m he really is in cuckoo land.
D. IMHO, he is being true to his word.. there's your blue shirt but no more investment.

I don`t believe in coincidences much either. Mehmet Dalman volunteered the comment about Vincent Tan never selling to Sam in a response to a general question asked by a fan as to what was the current position regarding any bids for the club. The answer given was that there are no current offers on the table for the club nor any current discussions taking place. It was after that general answer that he made the comment about Sam. The direct question wasn`t asked by any fan present.

People don`t only get to hear about meetings that the Trust have with the club "now and again". All meetings that the Trust attend are fully reported on and those reports appear in full on the Trust website and are sent round to al Trust members ASAP after the meetings take place (usually within 24 hours).

I agree entirely that £200m is a ridiculously high for a value of the club. Did a miss a statement from the owner or directors saying that this a figure Vincent Tan is asking for or expecting?

I believe (from the audited accounts) that Vincent Tan has put less into the club more recently , but there certainly has been very substantial investment by him (with subsequent debt write offs and debt to equity conversions) since the shirt colour reversal decision - again shown in the published audited accounts.

Thank you Keith for the information how I can find minutes of any meetings although I am not a trust member.
As for shirt you have your view and I have mine.

Thank you Keith for the information how I can find minutes of any meetings although I am not a trust member.
As for shirt you have your view and I have mine.

No problem Jules.

The notes of all meetings are firstly sent out to all Trust members by email (so about 400 sent out by Trust membership secretary) - usually on same day of meeting or day after - but you don`t have to be a member to see them as soon after they appear on the Trust website which anyone can access. They then tend to be cut, copied and pasted on message boards (hopefully without editing these days as used to be the case unfortunately).

I haven`t had chance to do a full review of the audited accounts since the shirt colour change was reversed in early 2015 but a brief look shows that many tens of millions of £ of net investment continued to be made by VT after that date on top on nearly £100m of debt to equity conversions and a £10m debt write off. Whatever his faults - and I believe that they have been many and serious - an accusation that he stopped investing is simply very wide of the mark

Keith

Thank you Keith, I take it that would be CCST ?
My honest opinion is that although I am very grateful for Mr Tan bankrolling our club ( we can see some of the shite others are in ) I think if he has no intention of going for it next season maybe he should sell as we have dodged relegation this time and languishing around the foot of the table will only further drive fans away ( plenty of manure, 'pool and even the arsenal shirts about last time I was in town but no city ).
Also cannot for the life of me see why MD would make the SH comment unless he was backed into a corner so will say anything.

:)

Who are these so called fans representatives at these so called meetings that only get half hearted answers tosssed back at them from the paid liar . Total waste of time you ask me but thats just an opinion

Ian,


A spokesman who has about 90 followers.

Yet we have 14,500 season ticket holders.

The Committee/ Board only wants nodding yes men at their meetings.

Annis , why do you struggle so much to read posts put on here by people who don`t necessarily agree with you sometimes? You either can`t or won`t try and understand them or just ignore them anyway.

You have in very clear simple English been told on here on more than one occasion that the meetings with Dalman and other club officials are attended by a number of elected fans` representatives who represent many hundreds (perhaps thousands - I don`t have Supporters Club membership numbers to hand) of the club`s supporters and are totally independent of the club and its officers.

Last Sunday`s meeting after the Huddersfield game was attended by elected members of the Trust , the Supporters Club and the Disabled Supporters Association plus a few people who are independent travel organisers. All are loyal (and mostly long standing) CCFC fans. No "nodding yes men" in sight - your claim is a nonsense and insulting to true fans who do their very best for fans who have democratically elected them into their roles.

If your reference to a "spokesman who has about 90 followers" was meant as a snipe at me then again either your reading has let you down or you are being deliberately spiteful and misleading. As you have been told on here the Trust has around 400 members not 90. Why do you continue to ignore this fact and persist with your inaccurate claim?

Just for the record, the person who mentioned the Saturday meeting with Sam was another person at the meeting not me.

Keith,

You have not answered my questions in the other thread??

Also how many of these so called 400 members actually paid a fee in the last year?
Or this season gone by?


I am honest in my opinion:

The Trust is a total waste of time.
Achieves nothing and does not represent our fans.



14,500 season ticket holders.

:)

Who are these so called fans representatives at these so called meetings that only get half hearted answers tosssed back at them from the paid liar . Total waste of time you ask me but thats just an opinion

Ian,


A spokesman who has about 90 followers.

Yet we have 14,500 season ticket holders.

The Committee/ Board only wants nodding yes men at their meetings.

Annis , why do you struggle so much to read posts put on here by people who don`t necessarily agree with you sometimes? You either can`t or won`t try and understand them or just ignore them anyway.

You have in very clear simple English been told on here on more than one occasion that the meetings with Dalman and other club officials are attended by a number of elected fans` representatives who represent many hundreds (perhaps thousands - I don`t have Supporters Club membership numbers to hand) of the club`s supporters and are totally independent of the club and its officers.

Last Sunday`s meeting after the Huddersfield game was attended by elected members of the Trust , the Supporters Club and the Disabled Supporters Association plus a few people who are independent travel organisers. All are loyal (and mostly long standing) CCFC fans. No "nodding yes men" in sight - your claim is a nonsense and insulting to true fans who do their very best for fans who have democratically elected them into their roles.

If your reference to a "spokesman who has about 90 followers" was meant as a snipe at me then again either your reading has let you down or you are being deliberately spiteful and misleading. As you have been told on here the Trust has around 400 members not 90. Why do you continue to ignore this fact and persist with your inaccurate claim?

Just for the record, the person who mentioned the Saturday meeting with Sam was another person at the meeting not me.

Keith,

You have not answered my questions in the other thread??

Also how many of these so called 400 members actually paid a fee in the last year?
Or this season gone by?


I am honest in my opinion:

The Trust is a total waste of time.
Achieves nothing and does not represent our fans.



14,500 season ticket holders.

What questions in another thread are you referring to? Put them here and i will gladly answer them.
The "so called" members are actual members and all current members have renewed their membership and paid their fees in the last year.
The Trust represents its members and any fan of the club can join it if he or she wishes to have their views put across on their behalf. It costs just £1 a month or £12 annually and membership also includes receiving a Trust magazine 3 or 4 times a year. Of course fans can choose not to join, but they can then hardly expect to have the same representation as members do.
In addition to representing its members` views, the Trust also plays an active part (and has done for many years) in the national Football Supporters Association as a fully registered Affiliate and has been recognised as a formal fans` representative body by the Financial Conduct Authority.
Being involved nationally has enabled the Trust to help persuade the Government to agree to the recently issued White Paper on football governance which, when enacted, will give more powers and more of a voice in the way their football clubs are run . Hardly "achieving nothing" or" not representing our fans" as you claim so I can safely assume that you have either not bothered reading any of these documents or have just chosen to ignore them.
Because of the work put in by the Trust as part of the FSA all of our season ticket holders will have the chance to have a full say on who the members of the Fans Advisory Board at CCFC will be when it is formed (most likely before the start of next season).This board will have a big say in what goes on at the club as its owner and directors will be obliged to consult with it on all strategic matters impacting of fans. This will be the law and also an EFL and Premier League requirement as soon as the White Paper becomes a full Act of Parliament but is already being adopted by a number of clubs even before that.