" Our club is a dictatorship and not a democracy "

Scott Johnson:

“At times like this, so every few months when Cardiff is looking for a new manager, there are the usual calls for a Director of Football. It would be a complete waste of time. They wouldn’t be able to make decisions or implement change. The club is a dictatorship, not a democracy”

Shit club with no ambition...Go support some other club.

Scott 'Its Happening' Johnson, Captain Obvious who thinks his opinion matters, I bet he's a member of the Trust too with their toothless busybody open letters.

Since when is any club other than a fans run club a democracy? .

Plenty of clubs in Germany that have the correct model. Even Wrexham showed what fan power do.

Fan power over Tan power everyday of the week!!!!

Plenty of clubs in Germany that have the correct model. Even Wrexham showed what fan power do.

Fan power over Tan power everyday of the week!!!!

Yeah fan power and Hollywood money.

Plenty of clubs in Germany that have the correct model. Even Wrexham showed what fan power do.

Fan power over Tan power everyday of the week!!!!

Simon,


Spot on


Tans Dictatorship will be the ruin of him.

Plenty of clubs in Germany that have the correct model. Even Wrexham showed what fan power do.

Fan power over Tan power everyday of the week!!!!

Wonderful if this happens, and so much better than what the City have now. BUT can the ordinary fan power provide the funds to run a successful club at a minimum of (say) upper half Championship level? I think unlikely unless we have mega wealthy fans we don’t know about who collectively could throw many millions into their team.

If I was a multi billionaire with at least the required £2 billion which is necessary nowadays to run with the Premiership big boys; even though I have followed the team since August 1964 and don’t claim to have the knowledge to run a professional team - personally I would fund the club as a democracy and not get involved in the daily running of the business but instead rather rely on men (and women if they are sufficiently capable) to run the business. These folk I would NOT have appointed alone.

But yes, Fan power over Tan always,ONLY provided they have money as a group. Ebfleet in the Conference was fun by supporters who selected their sides by voting online - this was unsuccessful ultimately.

Plenty of clubs in Germany that have the correct model. Even Wrexham showed what fan power do.

Fan power over Tan power everyday of the week!!!!

Wonderful if this happens, and so much better than what the City have now. BUT can the ordinary fan power provide the funds to run a successful club at a minimum of (say) upper half Championship level? I think unlikely unless we have mega wealthy fans we don’t know about who collectively could throw many millions into their team.

If I was a multi billionaire with at least the required £2 billion which is necessary nowadays to run with the Premiership big boys; even though I have followed the team since August 1964 and don’t claim to have the knowledge to run a professional team - personally I would fund the club as a democracy and not get involved in the daily running of the business but instead rather rely on men (and women if they are sufficiently capable) to run the business. These folk I would NOT have appointed alone.

But yes, Fan power over Tan always,ONLY provided they have money as a group. Ebfleet in the Conference was fun by supporters who selected their sides by voting online - this was unsuccessful ultimately.

Great now we found a buyer. We just need to find 2billion for our buyer to buy.
Why has no one thought of this before??
Lol.

Plenty of clubs in Germany that have the correct model. Even Wrexham showed what fan power do.

Fan power over Tan power everyday of the week!!!!

Wonderful if this happens, and so much better than what the City have now. BUT can the ordinary fan power provide the funds to run a successful club at a minimum of (say) upper half Championship level? I think unlikely unless we have mega wealthy fans we don’t know about who collectively could throw many millions into their team.

If I was a multi billionaire with at least the required £2 billion which is necessary nowadays to run with the Premiership big boys; even though I have followed the team since August 1964 and don’t claim to have the knowledge to run a professional team - personally I would fund the club as a democracy and not get involved in the daily running of the business but instead rather rely on men (and women if they are sufficiently capable) to run the business. These folk I would NOT have appointed alone.

But yes, Fan power over Tan always,ONLY provided they have money as a group. Ebfleet in the Conference was fun by supporters who selected their sides by voting online - this was unsuccessful ultimately.

It’s a long way off, and would take a lot of work and a lot of luck but I’d rather look at options than sit around and be thankful for the horrendous owner we’ve got.

The “what’s the alternative” argument is a frustrating one for me. I translate it as, “I can’t be arsed doing anything so will just put up with Tan and his cronies”.

Plenty of clubs in Germany that have the correct model. Even Wrexham showed what fan power do.

Fan power over Tan power everyday of the week!!!!

Simon,


Spot on


Tans Dictatorship will be the ruin of him.

He’s a very old school dictator/leader. I work in Engagement and Culture and Tan is doing everything that the modern approach warns against.

Basic thing is to get your employees, fans, customers on board by engaging with them. Tan won’t do it, his way or the Highway.

Basic thing is to employ an expert in the field you are working in. Tan won’t do it, thinks he has all the answers, command and control approach.

He could turn this around, and I still think he could get the fans on board. To be able to do that he’d have to show humility, admit he’s made mistakes and build bridges. Sadly I think he’s incapable of doing that.

Plenty of clubs in Germany that have the correct model. Even Wrexham showed what fan power do.

Fan power over Tan power everyday of the week!!!!

Simon,


Spot on


Tans Dictatorship will be the ruin of him.

He’s a very old school dictator/leader. I work in Engagement and Culture and Tan is doing everything that the modern approach warns against.

Basic thing is to get your employees, fans, customers on board by engaging with them. Tan won’t do it, his way or the Highway.

Basic thing is to employ an expert in the field you are working in. Tan won’t do it, thinks he has all the answers, command and control approach.

He could turn this around, and I still think he could get the fans on board. To be able to do that he’d have to show humility, admit he’s made mistakes and build bridges. Sadly I think he’s incapable of doing that.

So much truth in what you say there Simon,

But you are right he’s not capable of climbing down from how he works back in Malaysia, his approach does not work in the Western World.

What was Scott Johnson's view on the rebrand? I only noticed his name around that time

What was Scott Johnson's view on the rebrand? I only noticed his name around that time

Dead against it if I remember correctly

Since when is any club other than a fans run club a democracy? .

Very few, if any, Wez...

Plenty of clubs in Germany that have the correct model. Even Wrexham showed what fan power do.

Fan power over Tan power everyday of the week!!!!

Wonderful if this happens, and so much better than what the City have now. BUT can the ordinary fan power provide the funds to run a successful club at a minimum of (say) upper half Championship level? I think unlikely unless we have mega wealthy fans we don’t know about who collectively could throw many millions into their team.

If I was a multi billionaire with at least the required £2 billion which is necessary nowadays to run with the Premiership big boys; even though I have followed the team since August 1964 and don’t claim to have the knowledge to run a professional team - personally I would fund the club as a democracy and not get involved in the daily running of the business but instead rather rely on men (and women if they are sufficiently capable) to run the business. These folk I would NOT have appointed alone.

But yes, Fan power over Tan always,ONLY provided they have money as a group. Ebfleet in the Conference was fun by supporters who selected their sides by voting online - this was unsuccessful ultimately.

It’s a long way off, and would take a lot of work and a lot of luck but I’d rather look at options than sit around and be thankful for the horrendous owner we’ve got.

The “what’s the alternative” argument is a frustrating one for me. I translate it as, “I can’t be arsed doing anything so will just put up with Tan and his cronies”.

Again, that cimment falls on its backside from the start...

"What's the alternative?" in a money-sapping game is extremely relevant...

The "I can't be arsed" comment is pretty crass, too; and it disrespects those (the majority IMHO) who simply don't want to go down that particular path. IMHO it's counter-productivr and is hardly goint to build bridges between owner and support

Using the Ebbfleet model is never going to work in the higher leagues and again I feel sure few would want it here

I've said elsewhere that there is much more to our current situation than we are privvy too and we need to apprecoate that before we jump on a bandwagon that in reality has nowhere to go until someone puts their head above the parapet with the money and desire to take us forward..

Cardiff had until today to submit their retained list to the EFL, the Rules:

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Fans have no say. Kipre philogene and kabu are no longer with us including the manager because tan says so
its his toy he payed for it
we are mere customers a horrible time been under this cloud and at times it seems tan has become very bitter
i will never forget him saying sarcastically if you can find a welsh billionare to buy the club off me
In other words shut the f.ck up its my toy i paid for it i have overall say and control .

Fans have no say. Kipre philogene and kabu are no longer with us including the manager because tan says so
its his toy he payed for it
we are mere customers a horrible time been under this cloud and at times it seems tan has become very bitter
i will never forget him saying sarcastically if you can find a welsh billionare to buy the club off me
In other words shut the f.ck up its my toy i paid for it i have overall say and control .

Those players were signed by Cardiff and tan tho ?

Fans have no say. Kipre philogene and kabu are no longer with us including the manager because tan says so
its his toy he payed for it
we are mere customers a horrible time been under this cloud and at times it seems tan has become very bitter
i will never forget him saying sarcastically if you can find a welsh billionare to buy the club off me
In other words shut the f.ck up its my toy i paid for it i have overall say and control .

Those players were signed by Cardiff and tan tho ?

And they weren't Vincent Tan's to keep, as all of those belong to their parent clubs who would demand fees to allow them to come back...

This just shows how little some (not specifically Monty) understand what is really going on. It's never as simple as some make it out...

In a strange way, I think he does listen to the fans. Last season's change of direction was because there was a lot of noise from some fans saying we need to change to a "progressive" game.

It was plain daft without major funds and a proper plan, but only he can change the focus of the club. I still think he is naive even though he has been at footballs top table for well over a decade and has been burnt several times.

Copying what everyone else is doing is normally expensive, lead. Luton did their thing, they couldn't have done that a decade ago as big strong athletic players were more desired, they have done a Swansea in reverse. We tried to copy Swansea

We need a pragmatic manager with no brief about playing style. The objective should be to get as high up the league as possible.

Fans have no say. Kipre philogene and kabu are no longer with us including the manager because tan says so
its his toy he payed for it
we are mere customers a horrible time been under this cloud and at times it seems tan has become very bitter
i will never forget him saying sarcastically if you can find a welsh billionare to buy the club off me
In other words shut the f.ck up its my toy i paid for it i have overall say and control .

Those players were signed by Cardiff and tan tho ?

And they weren't Vincent Tan's to keep, as all of those belong to their parent clubs who would demand fees to allow them to come back...

This just shows how little some (not specifically Monty) understand what is really going on. It's never as simple as some make it out...

Exactly , basically monty said its tans fault there no with us now in his post which I thought was strange tbh .

Fans have no say. Kipre philogene and kabu are no longer with us including the manager because tan says so
its his toy he payed for it
we are mere customers a horrible time been under this cloud and at times it seems tan has become very bitter
i will never forget him saying sarcastically if you can find a welsh billionare to buy the club off me
In other words shut the f.ck up its my toy i paid for it i have overall say and control .

Those players were signed by Cardiff and tan tho ?

And they weren't Vincent Tan's to keep, as all of those belong to their parent clubs who would demand fees to allow them to come back...

This just shows how little some (not specifically Monty) understand what is really going on. It's never as simple as some make it out...

Exactly , basically monty said its tans fault there no with us now in his post which I thought was strange tbh .

Wez, you should now by now everything is Tan's fault and that's where it falls down, i.e. the real errors he makes are drowned out into almost insignificance by the constant 'white-noise' of criticism at all costs...

Like you, I'm certainly not pro-Tan but there are limits and they are well passed by some...

Wez

You know also there are means and ways of retaining players could tan nit of bought these players for his other club and then loaned ? My main point is whatever anyone thinks fans even dalhman when he was all for laouchi staying if tan does' nt like it gets turned on its head so does he take advice from any quater does he listen to the undertone from fans
No.