Vincent Tan: “ 22nd June 2023 “

Vincent Tans hearing vs Nantes for 100 million euros is scheduled for 22nd June , 2023 .

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It’s a Civil Court now, brought by Vincent Tan as all the football courts / World courts decisions all founded against us.



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Personally, I do not think that we will succeed. However, we do not know all the full facts and therefore very much hope that Tan knows what he is doing this time around….and wish him all the success if he does.

It would be terrible both financially as well as a big morale downer for the name of Cardiff City FC, if it turns out to be just another costly and damaging episode, as this really is his last chance.

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oh joy, more depressing media coverage and ccfc name being dragged down further, the clown is no better than putin, mentally unstable!

Hopefully he wins and it speeds his departure from the club

I just can’t see him winning this but then again I am no legal brain

Hopefully he wins and it speeds his departure from the club

Exactly what I'm thinking and hoping for mate

Hopefully he wins and it speeds his departure from the club

Exactly what I'm thinking and hoping for mate

If Tan goes, who do we expect to bankroll the City? If the approximate 400 members (my guess in this number) of both main Cardiff City boards each put in an average of say £1,000.00 per month, this would be nowhere near enough to fund the club. Does anyone know of any massively wealthy supporter who would take over? I don’t- unless Sam Hammam has now found some extra funds and is still interested in investing in the City.

Hopefully he wins and it speeds his departure from the club

Exactly what I'm thinking and hoping for mate

If Tan goes, who do we expect to bankroll the City? If the approximate 400 members (my guess in this number) of both main Cardiff City boards each put in an average of say £1,000.00 per month, this would be nowhere near enough to fund the club. Does anyone know of any massively wealthy supporter who would take over? I don’t- unless Sam Hammam has now found some extra funds and is still interested in investing in the City.

Where is he bankrolling us????

The last three years Dalman has lent us up to £30,000,000 at 9% and 10% interest .

Nothing of Tan.


As to Sam, you heard it straight from Dalman , No matter what Sam offers they won’t sell to him.

We have had three different potential buyers and Tan has ignored them all , just like his Belgium club have said about Tan as well.

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Hopefully he wins and it speeds his departure from the club

Exactly what I'm thinking and hoping for mate

More bad press - unless he does win and the rest of it happens

Hopefully he wins and it speeds his departure from the club

Exactly what I'm thinking and hoping for mate

More bad press - unless he does win and the rest of it happens

Tony,

I honestly don’t think he will learn if he loses again.

We actually need him to win otherwise it will cost us a fortune and the bad press will be beyond.

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Hopefully he wins and it speeds his departure from the club

Exactly what I'm thinking and hoping for mate

If Tan goes, who do we expect to bankroll the City? If the approximate 400 members (my guess in this number) of both main Cardiff City boards each put in an average of say £1,000.00 per month, this would be nowhere near enough to fund the club. Does anyone know of any massively wealthy supporter who would take over? I don’t- unless Sam Hammam has now found some extra funds and is still interested in investing in the City.

Where is he bankrolling us????

The last three years Dalman has lent us up to £30,000,000 at 9% and 10% interest .

Nothing of Tan.


As to Sam, you heard it straight from Dalman , No matter what Sam offers they won’t sell to him.

We have had three different potential buyers and Tan has ignored them all , just like his Belgium club have said about Tan as well.

Last accounts tan put in over 10 million so yes he is bank rolling our losses each season .also wrote off money so yes he is bank rolling us , annis you can't say he isn't bank rolling us .250 million plus he's put in written off over 89 million , converting 10s if millions from debt to equity .every year his money is covering our loses , the only season the club got money from an outside source was our last premier season where dalman lent the club money .

Hopefully he wins and it speeds his departure from the club

Exactly what I'm thinking and hoping for mate

If Tan goes, who do we expect to bankroll the City? If the approximate 400 members (my guess in this number) of both main Cardiff City boards each put in an average of say £1,000.00 per month, this would be nowhere near enough to fund the club. Does anyone know of any massively wealthy supporter who would take over? I don’t- unless Sam Hammam has now found some extra funds and is still interested in investing in the City.

Where is he bankrolling us????

The last three years Dalman has lent us up to £30,000,000 at 9% and 10% interest .

Nothing of Tan.


As to Sam, you heard it straight from Dalman , No matter what Sam offers they won’t sell to him.

We have had three different potential buyers and Tan has ignored them all , just like his Belgium club have said about Tan as well.

Last accounts tan put in over 10 million so yes he is bank rolling our losses each season .also wrote off money so yes he is bank rolling us , annis you can't say he isn't bank rolling us .250 million plus he's put in written off over 89 million , converting 10s if millions from debt to equity .every year his money is covering our loses , the only season the club got money from an outside source was our last premier season where dalman lent the club money .

Just ask Keith Morgan , Dalman has now out in nearly £30 mill , so bloody hell our club is worse than a shambles .

Plus Tan is running our club to spend more time in the courts than on the pitch.

Wez,

You need to wake up about your hero Tan, he is killing the club I love. TAN OUT


The losses are all due to the way he is running our club.

Answer, What happened to debt free????

It’s been nearly 14 yrs.


The only debts are all made by Tan himself..


And court case after court case.


It’s shocking how you Wez keep sticking up for Tan, but never on FB, Hmmmmmmm

If he were to win (can't believe I'm even saying that) , then don't we get the usual appeal by the losing party? just like we,'ve been doing since losing the first case. Tan is like a dog with a bone and won't admit defeat. I'm fed up of reading about court cases now I want us to be like 99% of other clubs and start being a football club not an institution for barristers. We really are a laughing stock can't even compete in the transfer market on a level playing field due to all the dross emulating from our boardroom.

Let’s just hope this is finally the end and we can be run like a football club not a court room

I was genuinely asked the other day Wez, if you worked for Dalman and Tan

I agree with Wez1927 that Tan, through all his many faults is bankrolling the club still. He loses more than he gains at the moment so no idea why he is so reluctant to sell. Last month alone he spent almost £2m, this was on the new pitch and also essential work being carried out on the structure of the stadium itself. Nothing to benefit the fans as such as in we won't see that like we would a new £2m striker for example, but Tan is definitely forking out money constantly.
As for the court hearing its just a shame its dragged on for so long, its easy for us as fans to say "just pay it" as its not our £15-£20m or however much it is in total now. As much as we all want it finished with I do agree that Nantes should be held partly accountable for what happens, all fingers are still pointing at us and we are being dragged through the mud which isn't right, but all this time Nantes look good in the public eye whilst they have done nothing for Salas family and we have given over £1m.
God knows what will happen this summer with us, I do think the time has come for Tan to sell up, but I also don't think he will any time soon. Also despite what a lot of ours fans think, there are worse owners out there at least we aren't being deducted points for FFP or not paying players and staff like some teams.

I struggle to see why being bankrolled at all is seen as good thing..

This is not a good indicator of a well run club.

Being bankrolled is an indicator that the club has not been run well, has financially over-reached, failed to capitalise on investment and commercial opportunities, spaffed parachute payments and have a very low value playing squad.

A well run club does not need to be bankrolled to the extent that Tan and Dalman 'bankroll' us - and let's be clear, when I say 'bankrolled', in Dalmans case, it is actually investment with high interest rates that the club are paying him back.

Firstly. on the playing side... If we had invested consistently well in the playing squad, had more youngsters being bled into the team through decent coaching and through a better system, then we could have been selling some of our assets which could have funded the club. Well run clubs identify up-and-coming players from lower leagues, from their own youth systems and abroad, and then ensure that there is a pathway for them to thrive in the first team. We fail big time at this. Every year is an annual and costly punt.

Secondly, if we were more commercially aware we could generate more income - examples: the food and drink at the ground is appalling and puts people off. Having a fanzone around the stadium, aka Reading, would also increase commercial opportunities. The club shop is another example of poor merchandise and poorly managed - queuing up for ages on match days to get in and sometimes only a few tills operating is awful and puts people off.. there should be more stalls in the concourse areas. Also, we still don't have a stadium sponsor... not that I love them, but commercially it makes sense.

So yeah, without Tans money right now, we would be screwed, but this isn't a reflection of his love or generosity for the club... it is an admittance that after 14 years or so in charge, he has failed - we are in debt, spaffed millions on over priced players and their wages, go through managers like cooked dinners, we are in no way sustainable, we have lost some of our identify, alienate fans and we have no strategy moving forward.

So no, I won't thank Tan or Dalman for 'bankrolling' us.

I struggle to see why being bankrolled at all is seen as good thing..

This is not a good indicator of a well run club.

Being bankrolled is an indicator that the club has not been run well, has financially over-reached, failed to capitalise on investment and commercial opportunities, spaffed parachute payments and have a very low value playing squad.

A well run club does not need to be bankrolled to the extent that Tan and Dalman 'bankroll' us - and let's be clear, when I say 'bankrolled', in Dalmans case, it is actually investment with high interest rates that the club are paying him back.

Firstly. on the playing side... If we had invested consistently well in the playing squad, had more youngsters being bled into the team through decent coaching and through a better system, then we could have been selling some of our assets which could have funded the club. Well run clubs identify up-and-coming players from lower leagues, from their own youth systems and abroad, and then ensure that there is a pathway for them to thrive in the first team. We fail big time at this. Every year is an annual and costly punt.

Secondly, if we were more commercially aware we could generate more income - examples: the food and drink at the ground is appalling and puts people off. Having a fanzone around the stadium, aka Reading, would also increase commercial opportunities. The club shop is another example of poor merchandise and poorly managed - queuing up for ages on match days to get in and sometimes only a few tills operating is awful and puts people off.. there should be more stalls in the concourse areas. Also, we still don't have a stadium sponsor... not that I love them, but commercially it makes sense.

So yeah, without Tans money right now, we would be screwed, but this isn't a reflection of his love or generosity for the club... it is an admittance that after 14 years or so in charge, he has failed - we are in debt, spaffed millions on over priced players and their wages, go through managers like cooked dinners, we are in no way sustainable, we have lost some of our identify, alienate fans and we have no strategy moving forward.

So no, I won't thank Tan or Dalman for 'bankrolling' us.

Mark you are so spot on,

But the love in for Tan has blinded the 100%

How they can be happy with Tan and his circus is beyond me.

Surely they can finally see from top to bottom how badly run we are after 14 yrs on and off the pitch.

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I was genuinely asked the other day Wez, if you worked for Dalman and Tan

No wonder his wife has him no where near the chip shop. The only involvement he has had with the place is to go to London and drink all the free Champaign courtesy of his wife and her staff after winning that top award.

LMAO

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I struggle to see why being bankrolled at all is seen as good thing..

This is not a good indicator of a well run club.

Being bankrolled is an indicator that the club has not been run well, has financially over-reached, failed to capitalise on investment and commercial opportunities, spaffed parachute payments and have a very low value playing squad.

A well run club does not need to be bankrolled to the extent that Tan and Dalman 'bankroll' us - and let's be clear, when I say 'bankrolled', in Dalmans case, it is actually investment with high interest rates that the club are paying him back.

Firstly. on the playing side... If we had invested consistently well in the playing squad, had more youngsters being bled into the team through decent coaching and through a better system, then we could have been selling some of our assets which could have funded the club. Well run clubs identify up-and-coming players from lower leagues, from their own youth systems and abroad, and then ensure that there is a pathway for them to thrive in the first team. We fail big time at this. Every year is an annual and costly punt.

Secondly, if we were more commercially aware we could generate more income - examples: the food and drink at the ground is appalling and puts people off. Having a fanzone around the stadium, aka Reading, would also increase commercial opportunities. The club shop is another example of poor merchandise and poorly managed - queuing up for ages on match days to get in and sometimes only a few tills operating is awful and puts people off.. there should be more stalls in the concourse areas. Also, we still don't have a stadium sponsor... not that I love them, but commercially it makes sense.

So yeah, without Tans money right now, we would be screwed, but this isn't a reflection of his love or generosity for the club... it is an admittance that after 14 years or so in charge, he has failed - we are in debt, spaffed millions on over priced players and their wages, go through managers like cooked dinners, we are in no way sustainable, we have lost some of our identify, alienate fans and we have no strategy moving forward.

So no, I won't thank Tan or Dalman for 'bankrolling' us.

A very well put and educated post that.
As for commercial enterprise maybe its not a good idea being surrounded by cheaper food outlets and supermarkets?