Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 8:52 pm
Rob Pages Wales team lose again:
Now it’s only one win for Wales’s in their last 12 games
Turkey 2 Wales 0
After a chastening 4-2 defeat by Armenia on Friday, a game which also saw Wales have a man sent off, this game in Turkey, which represented the halfway mark of the campaign, was so important.
But a cocktail of a Joe Morrell red card, the second in four days after Kieffer Moore's on Friday, and strikes from Umut Nayir and Arda Guler was enough to down Wales and ratchet up the pressure on Rob Page.
And it could have been worse, too, because the hosts had two goals ruled out through VAR and Danny Ward pulled off a very good penalty save. All told, it was a bleak evening in Samsun.
There were two changes to the team for Wales following their 4-2 loss to Armenia, both of which were enforced. Joe Morrell came in for Moore and Neco Williams came in to the left-hand side of defence for Ben Davies, who was absent as he awaited the birth of his first child.
Many thought Rob Page would go for five at the back, to shore up the team in a hostile environment, especially on the back of that chastening defeat last Friday, but he stuck to his guns and opted for a four.
After a baking hot day in Samsun, the storm clouds gathered over the stadium ahead of kick-off and the rainclouds emptied. Page hoped that would not represent an ominous sign of things to come.
One has to attend a game in Turkey to fully appreciate just what a hostile and daunting atmosphere the supporters create within the stadium. As Wales jogged out for the warm-up, deafening whistles bellowed out at them, with the stadium just half full at that point. It was an occasion which needed Wales' soldiers to stand up and be counted.
The game began evenly, in fact. Wales had an early chance thanks to a lovely through-ball from Ethan Ampadu to Brennan Johnson, but the Nottingham Forest man smashed his effort into the side-netting from a tight angle.
Minutes later, Turkey had the ball in the back of the net. Zeki Celik was played in down Wales' left and hit a low, tempting cross across the face of goal. Chris Mepham slid in and turned the ball into the top corner of his own goal, before immediately sticking his hand up to appeal for offside.
The goal was checked by VAR, but a technical glitch meant the parallel lines which needed to be drawn were unable to be processed on the screen. As a result, Fabio Maresca was asked to go to the monitor and make an assessment based off of a still image to ascertain whether Celik was offside. Fortunately for Wales - he adjudged him to be beyond the last man and the goal was chalked off.
The game settled slightly after a frenetic back and forth before the major first-half flashpoint four minutes before the break. A Connor Roberts pass ballooned over to the far side of the pitch, where Morrell entered into a challenge with Ferdi Kadioglu. Morrell's foot was high and he caught the Turkish left back on the thigh. Maresca wasted no time and had the red card out of his back pocket before he had even reached the Welsh midfielder. A tough task got a whole lot more difficult.
Danny Ward had to deal with a flurry of Turkish shots before the break, but the visitors managed to jog back down the tunnel with the game still goalless.
Ben Cabango was introduced at the break, with Brennan Johnson having struggled badly with injuries in the first period, and it almost paid dividends. James was deployed up front on his own and did brilliantly to earn a free-kick 30 yards out after a quick breakaway. Harry Wilson stepped up and banged one towards the top corner, forcing goalkeeper Mert Gunok into a superb save to keep the scores level.
As expected, though, the hosts dominated the lion's share of possession and territory with that one-man advantage. And they didn't need any leg-ups, but a stray Aaron Ramsey arm, which stopped a cross coming into the box from Kadioglu on 63 minutes, prompted Maresca to point to the spot. But up step Danny Ward, who leapt well to his right and palmed away a well-struck Hakan Calhanoglu penalty to keep Wales in the game.
When Turkey had their second goal of the night chalked off, though, Page must have been counting how many lives his team had used up. Ward, the hero just seconds earlier, parried a cross straight into the path of substitute Umut, who controlled and slotted home easily. But another VAR check saw yet another strike ruled out due to Umut handballing it.
But that was your lot, with regards to Wales' fortunes, because Umut had the ball in the back of the net again just seconds later and there could be no complaints. A floated cross from Baris Yilmaz in between Wales' centre-backs allowed Umut to meet it and head strongly towards the Welsh goal. Ward's hand couldn't save them this time.
And it was only to get worse for Wales. Arda Guler, another substitute, hit a peach of an effort with 10 minutes to go, a 20-yard curler right into the top corner - Ward could only watch.
It means that, at the halfway mark of this qualification campaign, Wales sit fourth out of five teams in Group D and with a serious mountain to climb.
Turkey XI: Gunok; Celik (Elmali 60), Demiral, Bardakci, Kadioglu; Ozcan (Guler 60), Kokcu (Ucan 89), Calhanoglu; Under, Yilmaz, Akturkoglu (Nayir 46).
Subs: Segezer, Cakir, Akaydin, Kahveci, Kabak, Yuksek, Karaman, Ozkacar.
Wales XI: Ward; Roberts, Mepham, Rodon, Williams; Morrell, Ampadu, Ramsey; Wilson; Johnson (Cabango 46), D. James (Bradshaw 62).
Subs: Hennessey, A. Davies, Fox, Low, Brooks, Harris, Cooper, J. James, Cabango, Cullen, Broadhead.
Now it’s only one win for Wales’s in their last 12 games
Turkey 2 Wales 0
After a chastening 4-2 defeat by Armenia on Friday, a game which also saw Wales have a man sent off, this game in Turkey, which represented the halfway mark of the campaign, was so important.
But a cocktail of a Joe Morrell red card, the second in four days after Kieffer Moore's on Friday, and strikes from Umut Nayir and Arda Guler was enough to down Wales and ratchet up the pressure on Rob Page.
And it could have been worse, too, because the hosts had two goals ruled out through VAR and Danny Ward pulled off a very good penalty save. All told, it was a bleak evening in Samsun.
There were two changes to the team for Wales following their 4-2 loss to Armenia, both of which were enforced. Joe Morrell came in for Moore and Neco Williams came in to the left-hand side of defence for Ben Davies, who was absent as he awaited the birth of his first child.
Many thought Rob Page would go for five at the back, to shore up the team in a hostile environment, especially on the back of that chastening defeat last Friday, but he stuck to his guns and opted for a four.
After a baking hot day in Samsun, the storm clouds gathered over the stadium ahead of kick-off and the rainclouds emptied. Page hoped that would not represent an ominous sign of things to come.
One has to attend a game in Turkey to fully appreciate just what a hostile and daunting atmosphere the supporters create within the stadium. As Wales jogged out for the warm-up, deafening whistles bellowed out at them, with the stadium just half full at that point. It was an occasion which needed Wales' soldiers to stand up and be counted.
The game began evenly, in fact. Wales had an early chance thanks to a lovely through-ball from Ethan Ampadu to Brennan Johnson, but the Nottingham Forest man smashed his effort into the side-netting from a tight angle.
Minutes later, Turkey had the ball in the back of the net. Zeki Celik was played in down Wales' left and hit a low, tempting cross across the face of goal. Chris Mepham slid in and turned the ball into the top corner of his own goal, before immediately sticking his hand up to appeal for offside.
The goal was checked by VAR, but a technical glitch meant the parallel lines which needed to be drawn were unable to be processed on the screen. As a result, Fabio Maresca was asked to go to the monitor and make an assessment based off of a still image to ascertain whether Celik was offside. Fortunately for Wales - he adjudged him to be beyond the last man and the goal was chalked off.
The game settled slightly after a frenetic back and forth before the major first-half flashpoint four minutes before the break. A Connor Roberts pass ballooned over to the far side of the pitch, where Morrell entered into a challenge with Ferdi Kadioglu. Morrell's foot was high and he caught the Turkish left back on the thigh. Maresca wasted no time and had the red card out of his back pocket before he had even reached the Welsh midfielder. A tough task got a whole lot more difficult.
Danny Ward had to deal with a flurry of Turkish shots before the break, but the visitors managed to jog back down the tunnel with the game still goalless.
Ben Cabango was introduced at the break, with Brennan Johnson having struggled badly with injuries in the first period, and it almost paid dividends. James was deployed up front on his own and did brilliantly to earn a free-kick 30 yards out after a quick breakaway. Harry Wilson stepped up and banged one towards the top corner, forcing goalkeeper Mert Gunok into a superb save to keep the scores level.
As expected, though, the hosts dominated the lion's share of possession and territory with that one-man advantage. And they didn't need any leg-ups, but a stray Aaron Ramsey arm, which stopped a cross coming into the box from Kadioglu on 63 minutes, prompted Maresca to point to the spot. But up step Danny Ward, who leapt well to his right and palmed away a well-struck Hakan Calhanoglu penalty to keep Wales in the game.
When Turkey had their second goal of the night chalked off, though, Page must have been counting how many lives his team had used up. Ward, the hero just seconds earlier, parried a cross straight into the path of substitute Umut, who controlled and slotted home easily. But another VAR check saw yet another strike ruled out due to Umut handballing it.
But that was your lot, with regards to Wales' fortunes, because Umut had the ball in the back of the net again just seconds later and there could be no complaints. A floated cross from Baris Yilmaz in between Wales' centre-backs allowed Umut to meet it and head strongly towards the Welsh goal. Ward's hand couldn't save them this time.
And it was only to get worse for Wales. Arda Guler, another substitute, hit a peach of an effort with 10 minutes to go, a 20-yard curler right into the top corner - Ward could only watch.
It means that, at the halfway mark of this qualification campaign, Wales sit fourth out of five teams in Group D and with a serious mountain to climb.
Turkey XI: Gunok; Celik (Elmali 60), Demiral, Bardakci, Kadioglu; Ozcan (Guler 60), Kokcu (Ucan 89), Calhanoglu; Under, Yilmaz, Akturkoglu (Nayir 46).
Subs: Segezer, Cakir, Akaydin, Kahveci, Kabak, Yuksek, Karaman, Ozkacar.
Wales XI: Ward; Roberts, Mepham, Rodon, Williams; Morrell, Ampadu, Ramsey; Wilson; Johnson (Cabango 46), D. James (Bradshaw 62).
Subs: Hennessey, A. Davies, Fox, Low, Brooks, Harris, Cooper, J. James, Cabango, Cullen, Broadhead.
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Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:06 pm
Page out of his depth , tactically clueless and the more worrying thing is the players don't look motivated.
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:10 pm
Dreadful to watch. No leadership whatsoever.
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:13 pm
Had no clue with 11 on the pitch but even worse with 10. He's slowly undoing all the hard work that was done before him.
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:18 pm
Aren't Wales likely to get in to the European Championship playoffs via their result in the 2022/23 Nations league (UEFA WEBSITE):
"Which teams contest the EURO 2024 play-offs?
Three of the 24 places at UEFA EURO 2024 will be determined by play-off spots via the 2022/23 UEFA Nations League, as per the regulations.
Twelve teams will be selected based on their performance in the 2022/23 Nations League – nominally the group winners of Leagues A, B and C, but if they have already qualified they will be replaced by the next best-ranked team in their league. If there are not enough non-qualified teams in the same league, then it filters down to the next league, finishing with League D."
We finished 16th in Group A and the vast majority of the teams above is will qualify through the normal method... It's a little confusing
"Which teams contest the EURO 2024 play-offs?
Three of the 24 places at UEFA EURO 2024 will be determined by play-off spots via the 2022/23 UEFA Nations League, as per the regulations.
Twelve teams will be selected based on their performance in the 2022/23 Nations League – nominally the group winners of Leagues A, B and C, but if they have already qualified they will be replaced by the next best-ranked team in their league. If there are not enough non-qualified teams in the same league, then it filters down to the next league, finishing with League D."
We finished 16th in Group A and the vast majority of the teams above is will qualify through the normal method... It's a little confusing
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:44 pm
I would like to see Craig Bellamy in charge. He certainly wouldn't accept that crap we have seen recently. Page definitely needs to go. I wouldn't even mind a foreign manager, plenty out there who would get better from this squad
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:47 pm
Page needs to go . We’ve never looked good in any game since he’s been in charge , we qualified for World Cup only cos of bale , will just get worse until he’s gone , but they decide to give him a 4 year contract ? Why ?
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:07 pm
Richy roofer ccfc wrote:Page needs to go . We’ve never looked good in any game since he’s been in charge , we qualified for World Cup only cos of bale , will just get worse until he’s gone , but they decide to give him a 4 year contract ? Why ?
Not sticking up for Page but if Roberts had played the ball out wide right first time then Morrell wouldn't have had to make that challenge that ended with a red card. Only one result after that
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:38 pm
One of the bristol city fans said to me tonight when I showed up for work over the severn bridge "your lot lost tonight didn't they"
Said who lost. Wales he said.
No idea never really followed them tbh they always been shit in my eyes and not got in to the whole international thing but each to there own
Said who lost. Wales he said.
No idea never really followed them tbh they always been shit in my eyes and not got in to the whole international thing but each to there own
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:40 pm
The Golden Age is over.
We have no one to replace Bale or Ramsey. Simply really.
We have no one to replace Bale or Ramsey. Simply really.
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:25 pm
Bluebird1977 wrote:One of the bristol city fans said to me tonight when I showed up for work over the severn bridge "your lot lost tonight didn't they"
Said who lost. Wales he said.
No idea never really followed them tbh they always been shit in my eyes and not got in to the whole international thing but each to there own
I'm with you on that...
Used to go to the Home Internationals and the odd game but stopped after the Alun Evans fiasco and never got the mojo back...
As you say, each to their own but it's club football for me...
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:41 am
The Welsh bubble really has burst. We're awful, I'm not jumping on any band wagons but Page doesnt seem to have a clue. We're all over the place. One thing that won't change, our fans will still have a party.
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:46 am
Wales lost their top tier Nations League status after losing to Poland last September but they have effectively got a play-off space sewn up because the 15 teams ranked higher than Page's men in the Nations League rankings are all on course to qualify automatically for the tournament. Spain are the only side not in the top two places in their group at present but with games in hand they are likely to make it.
Three of the 24 places at the tournament will be determined by play-off spots via the 2022/23 UEFA Nations League.
Three of the 24 places at the tournament will be determined by play-off spots via the 2022/23 UEFA Nations League.
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:47 am
Einstein wrote:Aren't Wales likely to get in to the European Championship playoffs via their result in the 2022/23 Nations league (UEFA WEBSITE):
"Which teams contest the EURO 2024 play-offs?
Three of the 24 places at UEFA EURO 2024 will be determined by play-off spots via the 2022/23 UEFA Nations League, as per the regulations.
Twelve teams will be selected based on their performance in the 2022/23 Nations League – nominally the group winners of Leagues A, B and C, but if they have already qualified they will be replaced by the next best-ranked team in their league. If there are not enough non-qualified teams in the same league, then it filters down to the next league, finishing with League D."
We finished 16th in Group A and the vast majority of the teams above is will qualify through the normal method... It's a little confusing
rely on the play-offs for a place in Germany. Wales lost their top tier Nations League status after losing to Poland last September but they have effectively got a play-off space sewn up because the 15 teams ranked higher than Page's men in the Nations League rankings are all on course to qualify automatically for the tournament. Spain are the only side not in the top two places in their group at present but with games in hand they are likely to make it.
Three of the 24 places at the tournament will be determined by play-off spots via the 2022/23 UEFA Nations League.
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:04 am
Page has undone over a decade of good work in 12 games. Useless!!
Earlier had it spot on last night on Sky when he said change is needed..
Earlier had it spot on last night on Sky when he said change is needed..
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:26 am
Forever Blue wrote:The Welsh bubble really has burst. We're awful, I'm not jumping on any band wagons but Page doesnt seem to have a clue. We're all over the place. One thing that won't change, our fans will still have a party.
Annis, a poor manager/coach is a poor manager/coach no matter what...
We should know, we've had enough of them to be experts in our field...!
Re: Wales lose again as now it’s only one win from 12 games
Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:24 am
Rob page simply not good enough