" Very very worrying "

Before today's game I replied to someone and said I would be very very worried if we didn't win today.

So I am.

A long walk back to the City Centre.

Truth is we didn't play until 0-2.

Nothing wrong with our tactics but until we sign a midfielder we won't go anywhere.

Grant was awful.

O'Dowda switched off for their first.

Ramsey played better than against Leeds but it was his bad pass that cost us the second goals.

Positives are that Tanner did mostly well when he came on and Alnwick again did well - couldn't do anything about the goals.

But it's a worrying result. Everything we did right at Leeds we did wrong today.

Ned,

Many won’t like this, but the truth is, I don’t believe this current side will be above mid table come May.

Patience guys!
First game and I doubt Bulut knows his best 11 yet.

I’m certainly not worried yet, I’ll give it at least half dozen games.

I am not sure we have the players to get the ball out to the wide players quickly enough.

Wintle is a safe passer so it goes sidewards or backwards and under hit every diagonal today. Sawyers isn't mobile or aggressive enough to be ahead of Wintle in a double pivot, Adams or Rinonhota can't pass it well enough, so we are left with injury-prone (warrior) Ralls.

Rambo is a "10", so are Robinson and Colwill.

I think new recruits or a change in tactics will be required

It was worrying but there were signs of a team that can do something. When we made the changes we were alot better.

We need to place with some pace with our wingers, a couple of players want to go back and side ways too much.

Grant has been useless since joining, it just seems to not be happening for him, the runs, passes, control. its all a bit off for him.

I thought we would be building from the back and setting the wingers free to either cut in or cross to Ugbo, which we tried to do at the end of the second half.

First 60 mins of going side to side, all our players standing around, i cant stand that shit that was us last season. Soon as we started doing one twos, passing and moving we had plenty of balls into the box

It is slightly worrying when we dropping points at home to a side who are not expected to be much higher than bottom 3. Early in season or not. We look poor and unorganised and slow moving the ball yet again

If you want to compete at this level you got to get quality in, loans a freebie’s never work, I wasn’t going to be fooled by city and the clubs hype ,I’m to long in the tooth. This season is about surviving, which I think we will. It’s not going to change until there a change at the top and I don’t think Cardiff will ever attract rich investors, they know there no money in Wales

Ned,

Many won’t like this, but the truth is, I don’t believe this current side will be above mid table come May.

Unless 3 or 4 quality players are brought in on loan, we will be in another relegation battle. Shocking performances all over the place today.

I am not sure we have the players to get the ball out to the wide players quickly enough.

Wintle is a safe passer so it goes sidewards or backwards and under hit every diagonal today. Sawyers isn't mobile or aggressive enough to be ahead of Wintle in a double pivot, Adams or Rinonhota can't pass it well enough, so we are left with injury-prone (warrior) Ralls.

Rambo is a "10", so are Robinson and Colwill.

I think new recruits or a change in tactics will be required

Wintle never picks up a runner or complete a diagonal pass either

IF you stand around for 60 minutes you will lose games, the changes were made too late but showed we are capable of fast attacking football. Easy to jump on board when we lose but after two games suddenly our season is over? our season has only just begun and we have players ready to step up so hopefully Bulut will see the side he finished with was the team he should have started.

Not sure our play in the last 30 mins was much better than the first 60. It was just that we weren't being pressed on the wings as much as we were in the first half as QPR started to defend a lead.

Its game 2, forget the friendlies, the manager is finding out if you leave holes in the midfield, you lose games in the championship

If we can't get an "8" equal to Ralls then we need to be practical and go Malky and have two sitters in the middle, attacking full backs and Rambo/Colwill in a free Whitts quarterback role to get on the ball.

We have goals in the team, so it won't be as bad as last season

Its game 2, forget the friendlies, the manager is finding out if you leave holes in the midfield, you lose games in the championship

If we can't get an "8" equal to Ralls then we need to be practical and go Malky and have two sitters in the middle, attacking full backs and Rambo/Colwill in a free Whitts quarterback role to get on the ball.

We have goals in the team, so it won't be as bad as last season

100%

I'm still excited, i think he would of learnt alot from todays game. Subs came on and did a job which is nice, also Collings looks good, wasnt on that long but looked comfortable.

we need a number 9 a battling mid and a right back as ng is only good at cb for me oh and collins to play left back odowda back and lm grant has alot to show to get in the starting 11 for me

Cardiff manager Erol Bulut:

"We're gutted. We were not concentrating in the first half, many players were nervous. We couldn't manage the game or keep the ball well enough to create chances. Individual mistakes led to their goals. The opponents did not push too much or create much.

"We created enough to at least score a second goal and get a point. But two individual mistakes in the game meant the opponents led 2-0 and it's not easy to come back to draw from there.

"We have to keep working on our mistakes. Also some players have to be much more active. From some players, it's not enough. They have to give a better performance.

"Many players still have in their heads the last two years, how the Championship was for them. I try to push it out of them, to believe in themselves and focus on our target. It will take time but I think I can push it out of them. We need positive things, not negative things."

Glad he seen what most of us did

Grant should never be played out wide. He should be up top with Robinson and then O Dowda and Bowler out on the flanks. Ramsey needs a solid forward thinking midfielder to play alongside him who can drive us forward. Tactics were all wrong today and made players hapless on times. Wintle slows the play down so much always goes backwards or sidewards. Very boring midfielder. Left Back Centre Mid and at least another striker needed. Ugbo to his credit has 2 goals but he looks very average at best just like etete who is our no 9; says it all really.

Slightly concerning rather than “very very worrying”. There were times we looked good today in between the indifferent bits.My view:
1). If we are to benefit from Ramsey, then we have to give him the ball more often. He is knackered after 70 minutes so we need to make sure we get the ball to him as much as possible.
2). We need a big striker who can hold the ball up. Etete could be that player one day but not yet.
3). We need a proper experienced left back. O’Dowda is ok as a left back in a back four, but is vulnerable. Once he gets to full match fitness, then Collins might be the answer, but O’Dowda could be much more useful in a wide role further forward.
4). I think I’d like to kee p Tanner and give him a go in the first team. He is quick and learning all the time. He seems to link very well with Colwill too.

All in all, this wasn’t as bad as about half of last season.

2 sloppy goals. So bloody frustrating.

Agree re grant. He’s been poor both games. Qpr flooded his side all game and got a lot of change. Then where there were gaps we just couldn’t transition with any pace at all. Wintle was sideways and pedestrian all game. We desperately missed ralls who links the play so much better.

Ramsey despite losing the ball for the second seemed to be a lone voice trying to direct his team mates Evo seemed to be on a mental holiday.

Robbo for me was the only one on his level and he looked to try and get things going and link up play.

Tanner did well. Not sure he’s a starter. Think cute you he’s better coming on against tired opponents but can’t fault his effort.

Ugbo has double the scoring record of watters. But isn’t adding a lot to general play.

If we get that CB back in. I can see why some are saying it will be In place of mcguiness who is great with back to the wall but both he and Goutas are slow on the turn and his distribution showed up today as being a little off the pace when we want to hit quickly

You need intensity from the start to win. We still lack that.

We gave them both goals hit the crossbar twice
But we did miss ralls today wintle and ramsey are more playmakers need someone like gunarrson and grant has not impressed at all tanner looks much better

Very very worrying,I think you need to give your head a wobble.Yes we played shit for 65 minutes but we could have at least drawn that game.
This is the championship and Bulut only second game.we’ll be fine.

That's exactly what was missing, intensity....we've got a good group of players than can clearly keep the ball a lot better. I like that we are a bit more patient with our build up but none of our players (bar Ramsey) looked like they wanted to make something happen. It was all just very safe and then QPR pounce on 2 of our out mistakes. I'm not worried but it was frustrating to watch the lack of urgency. Fair play to the young guy that game on, he actually changed the game and put a lot of decent balls in. Hopefully we'll improve in the next game!!! Gotta get the negatives off my chest...I thought Grant was awful, looks scared stiff to do anything, couldnt even pass to feet half the time, a really bad performance and defo needs dropping. Also disappointed in Bowler and Ubgo, just not a the races today, I think Ugbo was really frustrating Rambo too. NG another that seemed to slow the play down at every opportunity...everyone else worked hard but not a good day and showed in the lack of atmosphere.

We gave them both goals hit the crossbar twice
But we did miss ralls today wintle and ramsey are more playmakers need someone like gunarrson and grant has not impressed at all tanner looks much better

Wintle is a playmaker??

Ned,

Many won’t like this, but the truth is, I don’t believe this current side will be above mid table come May.

Totally agree with this. I know there has been some excitement that we will do well, but I haven’t really felt it. Hopefully I will be proved wrong as it’s still early days, but all I can see is us at mid to low table.

In general, the pre-season optimism is draining away.
I've always maintained that it's very unlikely we will break back into the top half of this division with free transfer and the odd loan signings.
Once the embargo is lifted, we should be in a better position in the next year or two, but only with an injection of cash to invest in some quality transfers.
It doesn't seem right constantly blaming players who are doubtlessly trying their best, but they are simply not up to the standard we require.
We are sure to get the odd good result, but I can't imagine any consistency.
Hopefully we will avoid a fight to stay out of the bottom three, but I see it being another poor season in general.
Expect attendances to drop back to high teens again very soon!

No one seemed to want the ball. No one made any off the ball runs. There was a total lack of movement all over the park and when Ramsey had the ball he didnt have many options where to play the ball . I was honestly dissapointed in this performance. Tanner had some life in him when he came on and did very well . Apart from the last 15 to 20 mins a dire performance yet again. Move around FFS !!!

Been saying for weeks that CM is the priority, and not just one!

Its the first home game of the season. A lot of new players and a different system of play lots of transition in the play.I never expected it work straight off the bat it all needa time.We need to stick with the manager and these new players .Its so frustrating but hopefully it gets better for us .Its easy for criticism but given are circumstances its always gonna happen.
I think eril will give a bullet up there arse for that .
Hopefully we see a change next game.
May see some swapping and changing of players in and out the team until he knows who he can call upon to do a job for him think that was evident today.

Ned,

Many won’t like this, but the truth is, I don’t believe this current side will be above mid table come May.

Unless 3 or 4 quality players are brought in on loan, we will be in another relegation battle. Shocking performances all over the place today.

Correct We now need some real quality players to come in.

I’ve been saying all along that nothing has really changed from last season in terms of the quality we have, but get labelled as being negative. Agree on the number of players required as we are definitely going to be in a relegation battle. Jury still out on Bulut as well, I’ve seen nothing yet to suggest he’s going to turn us around. Early days but the signs are already there……..