" Is it allowed to criticise Aaron Ramsey? "

Don't get me wrong, I know he's still getting up to speed and he was probably better today in general than the first game.

But he played a hospital pass to Wintle and it led to their second goal.

I have no doubt he'll have a good season, however that was a very lazy ball played by him.

Problem i found with him was he wanted the ball everywhere all over the pitch. As though he didn't feel he could trust alot of them to distribute and get ball moving. Which most of time today was fair. So I think as a law of averages a few of his passes were gonna be poor. Just unfortunately for us it was 1 that led to the goal. Similar to grant and then odowda error led to 1st

It was a poor pass but you could see Ramsey having to force the play. So many mediocre players around him. Many times he had the ball and no one wanted it

he has always been a risk taker, usually its with better players. I think he was trying to speed up play as it was pedestrian.

Still unsure what will be his best position for us, but its definitely not at the top of a double pivot 2, far too indisciplined and i don't want him going into crunching tackles

I dread to think what the game would of been like without him trying to get the game going tbh. Yes he gave the ball away a few times, but most of the game how many of our players were standing around with fingers up their ass

Was probably the only thing he did wrong all game. Looks head and shoulders above everyone else. Far too stale and slow with the ball, karlan grant offers nothing, apart from the goal Ugbo did nothing, bowler is very hit and miss, more miss than anything.i just don't rate wintle. I thought eboue adams looked alright to be fair. I think tanner needs to start next game as he looked a little positive. I thought we looked better when Rambo dropped deeper and callum Robinson was the 10. Don't understand why we sit so deep in defence especially at home.

Ramsey was by far the best player on the pitch. To criticise him for that one mistake is shocking.

How about criticising O'Dowda for switching off for their first goal or Grant for a poor pass that led to the throw in for the first goal or NG for not tracking back for their second goal.

Plenty of mistakes made by many players today, why single out Ramsey?

Yep by all means criticise the pass. But if the other players showed his effort levels. Willingness to run and try and make things happen we woikd have won that at a canter. He’s head and shoulders above almost all the squad bar Robbo for speed of thought and vision.

Couldn't you see that he was stetching as far as he could to try to pass the ball to Wintle and could not get enough power on it to reach Wintle. Start looking at the worse player on the pitch first. GRANT

Wevlooked a better side when Rambo dropped into midfield.
Robinon at 10.
Colins full back. O'Dowda in his proper position.
Need a few more players. Don't panic. Don't panic.

I thought Ramsey was excellent today, constantly tried to keep the tempo up but very few around him took the hint. It was a bad pass but QPR still had to beat a lot of players after it and they somehow did with ease unfortunately. I felt a bit sorry for him today having the likes of Grant, Ugbo and Bowler as his only outlets...coz none of those guys wanted to win the game. Maybe it was first home game nerves??? My only concern with Rambo is that a lot of our players seem to force the play through him when sometimes the better ball elsewhere is on...it's gonna be tough for Bulet to get all this to click I think!

No player is above critism but the incident you mention he appears to catch his studs in the pitch and gives the ball away. At the moment he is thinking and seeing things a few seconds before every other player on our team. Reminds me of when Alan Curtis joined us takes a while for ordinary players to get on the same wave length.

I can only comment on what I could see from lower 108 but Ramsey played his socks off and the rest of the team were asleep for most of the match. And I’m not a fan of all this passing the ball at the back

Ramsey slipped before making the pass and was stretching to reach the ball to prevent someone tackling him.

Not saying that's any better but it wasn't a deliberate pass.

He was great today I thought. Really hard to know where to play him. I think I’d rather him deeper with Robbo at ten but then he will have to do more running back. His shot goes in and it’s a different game.

I Didnt want him back he been poor for wales and I thought he was poor today we missed joe Ralls but the performance was dire today to worst I have seen since the 90s I am more worried than I have even been

Ramsey was the best player on the pitch he moved deeper to get involved in the game to try and make something happen. Think bit harsh singling out Ramsey for one mistake when other players had shockers today

I Didnt want him back he been poor for wales and I thought he was poor today we missed joe Ralls but the performance was dire today to worst I have seen since the 90s I am more worried than I have even been

Thats a bit over the top, was nowhere near as bad as that.

I Didnt want him back he been poor for wales and I thought he was poor today we missed joe Ralls but the performance was dire today to worst I have seen since the 90s I am more worried than I have even been

Thats a bit over the top, was nowhere near as bad as that.

I Didnt want him back he been poor for wales and I thought he was poor today we missed joe Ralls but the performance was dire today to worst I have seen since the 90s I am more worried than I have even been

Thats a bit over the top, was nowhere near as bad as that.

Agree, ridiculous comment. Ramsey is in the twilight of his career so we have to have sensible expectations, he is not going to win games single handed all the time. I thought, he put a good shift in today, showed touches of absolute class but made mistakes too. He's clearly a split second faster than his team mates and you could see his frustration at times that his team mates were not playing the ball quick enough or reading his plays. Wintle, Adams, Ng etc are no where near his level and today highlighted how mediocre those three are especially. Bottom half Championship players at best. It's fine to criticise Ramsey if he makes a mistake but we are very lucky to have him.

Gives the ball away far too much .

Awful attempt at a tackle by Goutas.

Looked ponderous today.

Desperately need a new centre half.

He looks unfit, has lost his pace,and I wonder if this is a move that may not deliver the goods.

I would say to some responses that are making out I said he was awful, I said he had a better game than last week but this moment was costly.

Stand by that, it was a terrible pass.

Otherwise had a good game but if this was Ralls, everyone would be judging him on that pass.

Can't believe some of the comments above. Ramsey speed of thought and touch was so far above the rest of our players he must have been frustrated. Robinson was the only one to be close in speed of thought and anticipation of getting into space. The absolute deadlegs today were Grant and Ng who were useless. Today also confirmed that O Dowda needs to be played in his proper position.

At one point Ramsey was stood with the ball at his feet just looking around for somebody to make some kind of run, even the QPR player marking him stopped and looked around too. Didn’t just seem he wanted the ball everywhere it seemed more like the others were constantly looking for him.

Once Robbo came on you could see more opportunities open up for Rambo. The other issue was that everybody was slowing the pace down, when the ball was moved quickly we looked dangerous

Can't believe some of the comments above. Ramsey speed of thought and touch was so far above the rest of our players he must have been frustrated. Robinson was the only one to be close in speed of thought and anticipation of getting into space. The absolute deadlegs today were Grant and Ng who were useless. Today also confirmed that O Dowda needs to be played in his proper position.

Yes agree. Ramsey showed how poor some of our players were. He’s on another level to our players, they weren’t looking for runs for Ramsey to play them in. Hence his frustration and reason Ramsey was coming back deeper to try and make something happen.

Criticise who you want ned same as anyone on here its all about opinions just because posters don't go around saying we are world beaters and every player should get a 10/10 every game you'll always the the whopper with "That's being negative" or "Are you even a city fan" comment because it don't match there thinking.

Do as you please and f**k others my motto as its just words on a screen it don't make u less of a city fan tbh

he was making the runs but not being picked out.
Must be so frustrating for him.
Wintle was poor, as was NG, two bad games in a row for him.

he was making the runs but not being picked out.
Must be so frustrating for him.
Wintle was poor, as was NG, two bad games in a row for him.

NG has a decent diagonal cross but he can't pass to his right and takes an age to make up his mind, so kills any momentum. He is a defence first right back, why we expect any more is beyond me.

Wintle is neat and tidy, has a turn of pace when required and is decent in the tackle, but that's it. He protects the back four but rarely gets the ball forward with any meaning so needs a Ralls level player as his CM partner, unfortunately, we don't have one if Joe is out and let us be honest he is on the downgrade.

Rambo needs that platform to do his stuff.

So for me its either a flat back defensive four with Wintle as the sitter and we find a Ralls replacement or its two "dogs" drop Wintle and let Rambo roam a bit and allow the full back to attack as we have two athletic sitters to cover.

The wingers got slated yesterdays but to say QPR were waiting for them was an understatement.