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Wingers

Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:55 am

In the good old days wingers would attempt to beat their man and get to the byline. This made it difficult for defenders especially centre backs as they would be running back facing their own goal so very difficult to clear the ball. So why is there an emphasis on playing wrong footed players on the opposite wing so they can cut inside. I’m so doing they are going into congested areas. Just ridiculous. Players like Eddie Gray and Willie Anderson and Zaha used to create havoc.

Re: Wingers

Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:17 am

Brezza wrote:In the good old days wingers would attempt to beat their man and get to the byline. This made it difficult for defenders especially centre backs as they would be running back facing their own goal so very difficult to clear the ball. So why is there an emphasis on playing wrong footed players on the opposite wing so they can cut inside. I’m so doing they are going into congested areas. Just ridiculous. Players like Eddie Gray and Willie Anderson and Zaha used to create havoc.

Agree but tbf Tanner done it yesterday went both ways

Re: Wingers

Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:19 am

Ainsworth had done his homework. In the first half O'Dowda and Bowler were pressed immediately.

Paul Smyth absolutely ran himself ragged in the first half closing down O'Dowda. Which is why he was substituted in the 2nd half even though he was their best player.

Just need to notice early and move to Plan B or C.

Re: Wingers

Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:52 am

Brezza wrote:In the good old days wingers would attempt to beat their man and get to the byline. This made it difficult for defenders especially centre backs as they would be running back facing their own goal so very difficult to clear the ball. So why is there an emphasis on playing wrong footed players on the opposite wing so they can cut inside. I’m so doing they are going into congested areas. Just ridiculous. Players like Eddie Gray and Willie Anderson and Zaha used to create havoc.

These days people seem to like to cut inside apparently makes them harder to defend. Even in our academy they tend to play that way . So many clubs do exactly the same What every one is looking for is a player who can do both equally well but that type of player is way out of our price range

Re: Wingers

Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:02 pm

Are these players better described as old fashioned inside forwards rather than wingers?

Re: Wingers

Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:56 pm

NinianKnight wrote:Are these players better described as old fashioned inside forwards rather than wingers?



I agree. Robbo, Grant and Meite are inside forwards whereas Tanner and O'Dowda are traditional 442 wingers

Re: Wingers

Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:22 pm

I played left wing back in the day qnd was a natural left footer like o' dowda today
and was always taught to pass the player on the outside
"get around the back" of defence and whip in crosses cannot understand cuttung in it usually kills the oppurtunity to cross the ball for a striker or back in my day 2 strikers about 10ft apart.

Re: Wingers

Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:59 pm

montyblue wrote:I played left wing back in the day qnd was a natural left footer like o' dowda today
and was always taught to pass the player on the outside
"get around the back" of defence and whip in crosses cannot understand cuttung in it usually kills the oppurtunity to cross the ball for a striker or back in my day 2 strikers about 10ft apart.


Was this before Pep and his tiki taka false nine nonsense? It seems these days everyone has to be different rather than do the basics of getting the ball into the net via winger-cross-striker-goal.

Re: Wingers

Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:46 am

NinianKnight

I was reffering to playing back in rge early 70s.

Re: Wingers

Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:10 am

NinianKnight wrote:
montyblue wrote:I played left wing back in the day qnd was a natural left footer like o' dowda today
and was always taught to pass the player on the outside
"get around the back" of defence and whip in crosses cannot understand cuttung in it usually kills the oppurtunity to cross the ball for a striker or back in my day 2 strikers about 10ft apart.


Was this before Pep and his tiki taka false nine nonsense? It seems these days everyone has to be different rather than do the basics of getting the ball into the net via winger-cross-striker-goal.


Some teams find it hard scoring 5+ goals in a game just on crosses.

Cardiff fans been watching too much hoofball for years to understand that other tactics to exist.

Look at all the teams Eddie Howe has setup and how exciting it is to watch. Jealous as over the years, we have been boring (also struggling).

Re: Wingers

Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:16 pm

montyblue wrote:NinianKnight

I was reffering to playing back in rge early 70s.


Proper football then :thumbright:

Re: Wingers

Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:20 pm

MillenniumNova wrote:
NinianKnight wrote:
montyblue wrote:I played left wing back in the day qnd was a natural left footer like o' dowda today
and was always taught to pass the player on the outside
"get around the back" of defence and whip in crosses cannot understand cuttung in it usually kills the oppurtunity to cross the ball for a striker or back in my day 2 strikers about 10ft apart.


Was this before Pep and his tiki taka false nine nonsense? It seems these days everyone has to be different rather than do the basics of getting the ball into the net via winger-cross-striker-goal.


Some teams find it hard scoring 5+ goals in a game just on crosses.

Cardiff fans been watching too much hoofball for years to understand that other tactics to exist.

Look at all the teams Eddie Howe has setup and how exciting it is to watch. Jealous as over the years, we have been boring (also struggling).


Goals win games not playing styles. If we get the ball into the net via route one then I'm all for it. Of course, I'm not against tactical switches but I'm a strong believer in playing to a side's strengths

Re: Wingers

Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:26 pm

MillenniumNova wrote:
NinianKnight wrote:
montyblue wrote:I played left wing back in the day qnd was a natural left footer like o' dowda today
and was always taught to pass the player on the outside
"get around the back" of defence and whip in crosses cannot understand cuttung in it usually kills the oppurtunity to cross the ball for a striker or back in my day 2 strikers about 10ft apart.


Was this before Pep and his tiki taka false nine nonsense? It seems these days everyone has to be different rather than do the basics of getting the ball into the net via winger-cross-striker-goal.


Some teams find it hard scoring 5+ goals in a game just on crosses.

Cardiff fans been watching too much hoofball for years to understand that other tactics to exist.

Look at all the teams Eddie Howe has setup and how exciting it is to watch. Jealous as over the years, we have been boring (also struggling).



Howe couldn't do it at Burnley because he didn't have the players to convert his ideas. This squad is barely championship, with the exception of Rambo and fleeting glimpses of Colwill it is very functional and not blessed with technical ability.

With a lot of clubs' obsession with following the messiah, Pep, big clubs are underperforming as they do not have the ammunition to recreate the game plan in the heat of battle. When you look at the big guns, all their players score at least 9/10 in technique, skill, speed, strength, stamina. We are lucky to have a single player have one 8/10 attribute, but we expect Perry NG to be able to walk the ball out like Franz Beckenbuer !! Him and Wintle are turnover machines

As it stands now this is a 442 diamond squad, we don't have a target man, nor three decent centre halfs

Robbo and Grant up top (played well together before)
Rambo tip of diamond
Ralls & Rinonhota/Adams
Wintle base of diamond
O'Dowda and Romeo attacking full backs