My considered view of yesterday

Ok having calmed down after yesterday this is my view of the world:

I've watched every minute of preseason and something was off yesterday. Players made a lot of mistakes and seemed to freeze a little in the first half, had no confidence to play the pass early.

Wingbacks were totally confused, didn't know whether to stay, invert or overlap.

O'dowda at fault for the goal but did make ours to be fair.

Ramsey gave the ball away for the second and Goutas shouldn't have slid in, if he stands up a tracks I don't think they score.

We hit the bar twice, Ugbo should've scored early on, if he had it would've been a different game.

Our biggest problem yesterday is our laboured play, Ng being the biggest culprit. Where Ramsey and Robbo receive look up and immediately play the ball, others receive, look up, walk with the ball, pause and then roll the ball to a player when the defense has had time to cover. They also seem to think they need to pass via every player to get it wide, ping it early - TOO BLOODY SLOW!!!!!!!!! Now that may be quality or confidence in the players own ability or those who are recieving the pass. For those who think Ng could move in to midfield forget it.

A couple of things that niggle me, throw ins (same against) Leeds, too slow, how often did they have nobody to throw it to.... TOO BLOODY SLOW, MORE MOVEMENT!!!!
Then when they throw it in, throw it to feet, not bounce it to them or throw it waist high, I was taught that when I was ten!!!

We need genuine wingbacks, we need two new CM who think and act quicker, Wintle needs to be much quicker. For the first time Goutas was a worry for me yesterday, diving in to make up for positional errors and lack of pace... It eventually let him down. Grant, all I'll say is West Brom fans warned us. Bowler did nothing but got no service, get it to him QUICKER in those 1v1 positions.

Ugbo I have concerns I voiced early on, but he has two in two.

Hopefully, new players will increase the quality and pace of play... Fingers crossed

What I saw yesterday was unforced errors which got punished. We were well capable of scoring on several occasions but failed to take the opportunities. The subs did make a difference which is a positive.

I hope EB will take the lessons learnt from yesterday and address them.

Ok having calmed down after yesterday this is my view of the world:

I've watched every minute of preseason and something was off yesterday. Players made a lot of mistakes and seemed to freeze a little in the first half, had no confidence to play the pass early.

Wingbacks were totally confused, didn't know whether to stay, invert or overlap.

O'dowda at fault for the goal but did make ours to be fair.

Ramsey gave the ball away for the second and Goutas shouldn't have slid in, if he stands up a tracks I don't think they score.

We hit the bar twice, Ugbo should've scored early on, if he had it would've been a different game.

Our biggest problem yesterday is our laboured play, Ng being the biggest culprit. Where Ramsey and Robbo receive look up and immediately play the ball, others receive, look up, walk with the ball, pause and then roll the ball to a player when the defense has had time to cover. They also seem to think they need to pass via every player to get it wide, ping it early - TOO BLOODY SLOW!!!!!!!!! Now that may be quality or confidence in the players own ability or those who are recieving the pass. For those who think Ng could move in to midfield forget it.

A couple of things that niggle me, throw ins (same against) Leeds, too slow, how often did they have nobody to throw it to.... TOO BLOODY SLOW, MORE MOVEMENT!!!!
Then when they throw it in, throw it to feet, not bounce it to them or throw it waist high, I was taught that when I was ten!!!

We need genuine wingbacks, we need two new CM who think and act quicker, Wintle needs to be much quicker. For the first time Goutas was a worry for me yesterday, diving in to make up for positional errors and lack of pace... It eventually let him down. Grant, all I'll say is West Brom fans warned us. Bowler did nothing but got no service, get it to him QUICKER in those 1v1 positions.

Ugbo I have concerns I voiced early on, but he has two in two.

Hopefully, new players will increase the quality and pace of play... Fingers crossed

Thats exactly how I saw it as well

Ok having calmed down after yesterday this is my view of the world:

I've watched every minute of preseason and something was off yesterday. Players made a lot of mistakes and seemed to freeze a little in the first half, had no confidence to play the pass early.

Wingbacks were totally confused, didn't know whether to stay, invert or overlap.

O'dowda at fault for the goal but did make ours to be fair.

Ramsey gave the ball away for the second and Goutas shouldn't have slid in, if he stands up a tracks I don't think they score.

We hit the bar twice, Ugbo should've scored early on, if he had it would've been a different game.

Our biggest problem yesterday is our laboured play, Ng being the biggest culprit. Where Ramsey and Robbo receive look up and immediately play the ball, others receive, look up, walk with the ball, pause and then roll the ball to a player when the defense has had time to cover. They also seem to think they need to pass via every player to get it wide, ping it early - TOO BLOODY SLOW!!!!!!!!! Now that may be quality or confidence in the players own ability or those who are recieving the pass. For those who think Ng could move in to midfield forget it.

A couple of things that niggle me, throw ins (same against) Leeds, too slow, how often did they have nobody to throw it to.... TOO BLOODY SLOW, MORE MOVEMENT!!!!
Then when they throw it in, throw it to feet, not bounce it to them or throw it waist high, I was taught that when I was ten!!!

We need genuine wingbacks, we need two new CM who think and act quicker, Wintle needs to be much quicker. For the first time Goutas was a worry for me yesterday, diving in to make up for positional errors and lack of pace... It eventually let him down. Grant, all I'll say is West Brom fans warned us. Bowler did nothing but got no service, get it to him QUICKER in those 1v1 positions.

Ugbo I have concerns I voiced early on, but he has two in two.

Hopefully, new players will increase the quality and pace of play... Fingers crossed

Thats exactly how I saw it as well

To be fair, whilst I wasn't at the game, the reports I receive pretty much sum that post up...!

Sadly, and I've said it before, we have too many who only see the result rather than the overall performance...

A bad day at the office but we will learn as we gel a new team and better things lie ahead. As Forever Blue always says, we'll have a better idea after 10 games and not two (both of which could have gone our way)

Ok having calmed down after yesterday this is my view of the world:

I've watched every minute of preseason and something was off yesterday. Players made a lot of mistakes and seemed to freeze a little in the first half, had no confidence to play the pass early.

Wingbacks were totally confused, didn't know whether to stay, invert or overlap.

O'dowda at fault for the goal but did make ours to be fair.

Ramsey gave the ball away for the second and Goutas shouldn't have slid in, if he stands up a tracks I don't think they score.

We hit the bar twice, Ugbo should've scored early on, if he had it would've been a different game.

Our biggest problem yesterday is our laboured play, Ng being the biggest culprit. Where Ramsey and Robbo receive look up and immediately play the ball, others receive, look up, walk with the ball, pause and then roll the ball to a player when the defense has had time to cover. They also seem to think they need to pass via every player to get it wide, ping it early - TOO BLOODY SLOW!!!!!!!!! Now that may be quality or confidence in the players own ability or those who are recieving the pass. For those who think Ng could move in to midfield forget it.

A couple of things that niggle me, throw ins (same against) Leeds, too slow, how often did they have nobody to throw it to.... TOO BLOODY SLOW, MORE MOVEMENT!!!!
Then when they throw it in, throw it to feet, not bounce it to them or throw it waist high, I was taught that when I was ten!!!

We need genuine wingbacks, we need two new CM who think and act quicker, Wintle needs to be much quicker. For the first time Goutas was a worry for me yesterday, diving in to make up for positional errors and lack of pace... It eventually let him down. Grant, all I'll say is West Brom fans warned us. Bowler did nothing but got no service, get it to him QUICKER in those 1v1 positions.

Ugbo I have concerns I voiced early on, but he has two in two.

Hopefully, new players will increase the quality and pace of play... Fingers crossed

Thats exactly how I saw it as well

To be fair, whilst I wasn't at the game, the reports I receive pretty much sum that post up...!

Sadly, and I've said it before, we have too many who only see the result rather than the overall performance...

A bad day at the office but we will learn as we gel a new team and better things lie ahead. As Forever Blue always says, we'll have a better idea after 10 games and not two (both of which could have gone our way)

He says 12, I say 10 Ian.

Don’t take my only claim to fame please.

Good, fair summary which I agree with. I would add the lack of aggression to too slow as well. Lost too many first phase headers. This is where Ugbo is a worry. The ball doesn't stick with him enough. We need a physical no 9. Last season Kaba saved us, the season before Hugill. We cant wait to January again to get a proper no 9. Praying we get Moore at the end if the window.

Ok having calmed down after yesterday this is my view of the world:

I've watched every minute of preseason and something was off yesterday. Players made a lot of mistakes and seemed to freeze a little in the first half, had no confidence to play the pass early.

Wingbacks were totally confused, didn't know whether to stay, invert or overlap.

O'dowda at fault for the goal but did make ours to be fair.

Ramsey gave the ball away for the second and Goutas shouldn't have slid in, if he stands up a tracks I don't think they score.

We hit the bar twice, Ugbo should've scored early on, if he had it would've been a different game.

Our biggest problem yesterday is our laboured play, Ng being the biggest culprit. Where Ramsey and Robbo receive look up and immediately play the ball, others receive, look up, walk with the ball, pause and then roll the ball to a player when the defense has had time to cover. They also seem to think they need to pass via every player to get it wide, ping it early - TOO BLOODY SLOW!!!!!!!!! Now that may be quality or confidence in the players own ability or those who are recieving the pass. For those who think Ng could move in to midfield forget it.

A couple of things that niggle me, throw ins (same against) Leeds, too slow, how often did they have nobody to throw it to.... TOO BLOODY SLOW, MORE MOVEMENT!!!!
Then when they throw it in, throw it to feet, not bounce it to them or throw it waist high, I was taught that when I was ten!!!

We need genuine wingbacks, we need two new CM who think and act quicker, Wintle needs to be much quicker. For the first time Goutas was a worry for me yesterday, diving in to make up for positional errors and lack of pace... It eventually let him down. Grant, all I'll say is West Brom fans warned us. Bowler did nothing but got no service, get it to him QUICKER in those 1v1 positions.

Ugbo I have concerns I voiced early on, but he has two in two.

Hopefully, new players will increase the quality and pace of play... Fingers crossed

Thats exactly how I saw it as well

To be fair, whilst I wasn't at the game, the reports I receive pretty much sum that post up...!

Sadly, and I've said it before, we have too many who only see the result rather than the overall performance...

A bad day at the office but we will learn as we gel a new team and better things lie ahead. As Forever Blue always says, we'll have a better idea after 10 games and not two (both of which could have gone our way)

He says 12, I say 10 Ian.

Don’t take my only claim to fame please.

I was just watching the extended highlights and apart from Ramsey, Bowler then Tanner and Colwill nobody travels forward with the ball. We pass, move, find space, receive the ball then stop, pass it on to the nearest player generally backwards or sidewards and repeat, allowing the opposition time to organise their defence. There is no adventure!

Its why Tanners directness in 15 mins earned him so many plaudits

We can counter, but general play is so laboured

llan bluebird

Agree about tanner i was just above the corner flag in canton tanner got in everytime and played with no fear
i cannot stand players who make an effort to go past or down the wing but then turn back because they have no confidence or frightenen to f.ck up
Biggest player for doing this was chris gunter playing for wales he would do exactly this 9 times out of 10
apart from the one cross he got right on sam vokes head in euros v belgium

Ok having calmed down after yesterday this is my view of the world:

I've watched every minute of preseason and something was off yesterday. Players made a lot of mistakes and seemed to freeze a little in the first half, had no confidence to play the pass early.

Wingbacks were totally confused, didn't know whether to stay, invert or overlap.

O'dowda at fault for the goal but did make ours to be fair.

Ramsey gave the ball away for the second and Goutas shouldn't have slid in, if he stands up a tracks I don't think they score.

We hit the bar twice, Ugbo should've scored early on, if he had it would've been a different game.

Our biggest problem yesterday is our laboured play, Ng being the biggest culprit. Where Ramsey and Robbo receive look up and immediately play the ball, others receive, look up, walk with the ball, pause and then roll the ball to a player when the defense has had time to cover. They also seem to think they need to pass via every player to get it wide, ping it early - TOO BLOODY SLOW!!!!!!!!! Now that may be quality or confidence in the players own ability or those who are recieving the pass. For those who think Ng could move in to midfield forget it.

A couple of things that niggle me, throw ins (same against) Leeds, too slow, how often did they have nobody to throw it to.... TOO BLOODY SLOW, MORE MOVEMENT!!!!
Then when they throw it in, throw it to feet, not bounce it to them or throw it waist high, I was taught that when I was ten!!!

We need genuine wingbacks, we need two new CM who think and act quicker, Wintle needs to be much quicker. For the first time Goutas was a worry for me yesterday, diving in to make up for positional errors and lack of pace... It eventually let him down. Grant, all I'll say is West Brom fans warned us. Bowler did nothing but got no service, get it to him QUICKER in those 1v1 positions.

Ugbo I have concerns I voiced early on, but he has two in two.

Hopefully, new players will increase the quality and pace of play... Fingers crossed

Agree with you regarding NG and Wintle. It’s all too tentative and slow when those two are in possession. There are things to like about both players and they seem like great characters to have around the place but i’m not sure we are going to develop as a team with these boys. Bulut mentioned yesterday there are a few players that are still nervous/lacking belief after the previous two seasons (which is understandable) and he’s definitely talking about those two in my opinion. They were very pedestrian in possession yesterday against a team that were there for the taking

Romeo for NG no brainier offers more pace going forward

Depends on formation your going to play odowda is no full back needs to be higher and bring collins. Press is to rigid it has to come from the back. Back 4 push up midfielders push up attack pushes up. The number of times a runner made a diagonal run and didn't get the ball. Agreed with a lot of above in the end it was 2 individual mistakes cost us. Need a striker who can hold onto ball long enough for midfielders to join

Depends on formation your going to play odowda is no full back needs to be higher and bring collins. Press is to rigid it has to come from the back. Back 4 push up midfielders push up attack pushes up. The number of times a runner made a diagonal run and didn't get the ball. Agreed with a lot of above in the end it was 2 individual mistakes cost us. Need a striker who can hold onto ball long enough for midfielders to join

I know Worcester will disagree with me (again), but O’Dowda isn’t a defender. He played considerably better going forwards with Collins behind him. Grant was shocking again after Leeds, so replace Grant with O’Dowda.
The OP mentioned Ng as someone who was at ‘fault’ so to speak. I actually thought the main culprit was Wintle. His dithering and sideways/backwards passing killed ever counterattack.
On a positive note though, how good were Tanner and Colwill. I thought the way they linked together was the best thing City did all game. Nice little one twos and all going forwards.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, I do worry about Ugbo. Just not strong enough and can’t retain possession.