UPDATED NINIAN STAND: WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON?

I wasn't at the game yesterday but I have today spoken to people who were and I was aghast at some comments made from those sat in the Ninian Stand Blocks 117 & 118; particularly as I raised a large part of this late last season...

It seems that on arrival at the stadium, a decision had been taken 'by the club' to move Bluebird supporters, including season ticket holders, from Block 118 and place them in or around Blocks 116/117

I repeat that they were only told on arrival at the stadium and several of them were reallocated seats that already belonged to long-time season ticket holders...!

Additionally, there were some season ticket holders already in 117 who were moved to other seats in the same blick; and again some of those were already occupied by existing season ticket holders...

There guys there reckon it's 'rammed' now and instances of 'continual standing' have increased massively overnight...

Equally, and this is where I posted previoysly, it seems the Stewards (and we know one or two enjoy their jobs a little too much) were on a mission to eject as many youngsters as they could and went in 'mob handed' to achieve their task, whilst a dozen or so other Stewards lined the steps up/down the stand...

It doesn't sound good and I would be very grateful if some who were there can add/correct the occurrences above...

Note: For the attention of Cardiff City FC (or maybe more pointedly Wayne Nash) what on Earth is going on?

Some answers for the increasingly disgruntled supporters in 117/118, please...!

I wasn't at the game yesterday but I have today spoken to people who were and I was aghast at some comments made from those sat in the Ninian Stand Blocks 117 & 118; particularly as I raised a large part of this late last season...

It seems that on arrival at the stadium, a decision had been taken 'by the club' to move Bluebird supporters, including season ticket holders, from Block 118 and place them in or around Blocks 116/117

I repeat that they were only told on arrival at the stadium and several of them were reallocated seats that already belonged to long-time season ticket holders...!

Additionally, there were somecseason ticket holders already in 117 who were moved to other seats in the same blick; and again some of those were already occupied by existing season ticket holders...

There guys there reckon it's 'rammed' now and instances of 'continual standing' have increased massively overnight...

Equally, and this is where I posted previoysly, it seems the Stewards (and we know one or two enjoy their jobs a little too much) were on a mission to eject as many youngsters as they could and went in 'mob handed' to achieve their task, whilst a dozen or so other Stewards lined the steps up/down the stand...

It doesn't sound good and I would be very grateful if some who were there can add/correct the occurrences above...

Note: For the attention of Cardiff City FC (or maybe more pointedly Wayne Nash) what on Earth is going on?

Some answers for the increasingly disgruntled supporters in 117/118, please...!

I'm in 117 and there were people moved across the aisles but weren't in other people's seat it was more that they didn't know there numbers as they have been rubbed off the seats over time

I was there yesterday but in between canton and ninian it looked full all away across the ninian to the away fans from where i was sitting
but when i got home sunday i looked at highlights on sky sports and was suprised to see such a gap from the ninian to the away fans and also the family stand.

I can confirm that the above is exactly what happened Chris and it was all yet another disastrous decision by Wayne Nash and only decided on at the last minute giving people hardly any notice to make alternative agreements in where they want to sit. There has been zero fan consultation on this and if the opportunity arises, I will bring this up atp the 'Fan Parliament' this week, which I hope is not just a FLR box ticking meaningless talking shop. Several fans around me are lodging complaints this week as it was awful yesterday and is unacceptable. The heavy handed stewarding was also on Nash's instruction and someone who was affected actually works for the club and will also be complaining.

Nash is hell bent on destroying any atmosphere in the stadium and the board should see this, every decision he makes is like some sort of vendetta against the fans who see him as the Lawnmower Man who managed somehow to get to Ops Manager, a position obviously well beyond him. Club needs a clean sweep and he's another one at the top of the list to go, how he's survived this long is unbelievable.

I was there yesterday but in between canton and ninian it looked full all away across the ninian to the away fans from where i was sitting
but when i got home sunday i looked at highlights on sky sports and was suprised to see such a gap from the ninian to the away fans and also the family stand.

Good to see you back at the CCS Monty. The gaps yesterday are huge and it's Wayne Nash who is behind all these ridiculous decisions. He treats fans as second class citizens and really needs to be replaced by somebody with a modicum of competence as he's beyond useless.

Wayne Nash out, sounds like he's killing the match day experience

I was there yesterday but in between canton and ninian it looked full all away across the ninian to the away fans from where i was sitting
but when i got home sunday i looked at highlights on sky sports and was suprised to see such a gap from the ninian to the away fans and also the family stand.

Good to see you back at the CCS Monty. The gaps yesterday are huge and it's Wayne Nash who is behind all these ridiculous decisions. He treats fans as second class citizens and really needs to be replaced by somebody with a modicum of competence as he's beyond useless.

Agree, Paul; good to see Monty back at the CCS...

The question should be "What can we do to improve the atmosphere?" and not "What can we do to erode it further?"

I was there yesterday but in between canton and ninian it looked full all away across the ninian to the away fans from where i was sitting
but when i got home sunday i looked at highlights on sky sports and was suprised to see such a gap from the ninian to the away fans and also the family stand.

Good to see you back at the CCS Monty. The gaps yesterday are huge and it's Wayne Nash who is behind all these ridiculous decisions. He treats fans as second class citizens and really needs to be replaced by somebody with a modicum of competence as he's beyond useless.

Agree, Paul; goid to see Monty back at the CCS...

The question should be "What can we do to improve the atmosphere?" and not "What can we do to erode it further?"

A great start would be getting wayne nash OUT ! a right little hitler who despises fans/atmosphere/enjoyment PLAYING A BIG PART IN PULLING OUR CLUB DOWN !!!!! ACT NOW SUPPORTERS/DIRECTORS

I was there yesterday but in between canton and ninian it looked full all away across the ninian to the away fans from where i was sitting
but when i got home sunday i looked at highlights on sky sports and was suprised to see such a gap from the ninian to the away fans and also the family stand.

Good to see you back at the CCS Monty. The gaps yesterday are huge and it's Wayne Nash who is behind all these ridiculous decisions. He treats fans as second class citizens and really needs to be replaced by somebody with a modicum of competence as he's beyond useless.

Agree, Paul; goid to see Monty back at the CCS...

The question should be "What can we do to improve the atmosphere?" and not "What can we do to erode it further?"

A great start would be getting wayne nash OUT ! a right little hitler who despises fans/atmosphere/enjoyment PLAYING A BIG PART IN PULLING OUR CLUB DOWN !!!!! ACT NOW SUPPORTERS/DIRECTORS

I've met Wayne on a number of occasions and find him to be a mixed bag; helpful when circumstances permit but as equally obstinate when it comes to listening to the wants of a support base that is in the main made up of pretty reasonable people, who only want what's best for the club they love...

Twist or turn? That's not my decision but I do wish he'd listen to the supporters properly rather than dismissing them as incidental...

I was there yesterday but in between canton and ninian it looked full all away across the ninian to the away fans from where i was sitting
but when i got home sunday i looked at highlights on sky sports and was suprised to see such a gap from the ninian to the away fans and also the family stand.

Good to see you back at the CCS Monty. The gaps yesterday are huge and it's Wayne Nash who is behind all these ridiculous decisions. He treats fans as second class citizens and really needs to be replaced by somebody with a modicum of competence as he's beyond useless.

Agree, Paul; goid to see Monty back at the CCS...

The question should be "What can we do to improve the atmosphere?" and not "What can we do to erode it further?"

A great start would be getting wayne nash OUT ! a right little hitler who despises fans/atmosphere/enjoyment PLAYING A BIG PART IN PULLING OUR CLUB DOWN !!!!! ACT NOW SUPPORTERS/DIRECTORS

I've met Wayne on a number of occasions and find him to be a mixed bag; helpful when circumstances permit but as equally obstunate when it comes to listening to the wants of a support base that is in the main made up of pretty reasonable people, who only want what's best for the club they love...

Twist or turn? That's not my decision but I do wish he'd listen to the supporters properly rather than dismissing them as incidental...

Without fans/supporters there would be no club, without a club there would be no job for (g)nasher so ignore the supporters who pay his wages lose his job quite simpe really install someone who works for the best interests of club and supporters not destroying from within ! It only takes one rotten apple !!!!! And (G)nasher is rotten to the core.

I agree with all of the above.
I used to have a season ticket in 117 but no more. These over zealous stewards who are supposed to be there for OUR safety were just spoiling the match with their antics while away fans seemingly have a free reign.I gave one of them a mouthful after one match last season when he pushed my lad.
Is this Nash? Surely he's only doing what the club instructs him to do? Personally I'd have him back cutting the grass, the bloke appears to have a very high opinion of himself.
I was sat yesterday in 111 near the front, great seat and didn't notice a stewart at anytime during the match. Just as it should be.

The row in front of me in 108 Canton were a group of boys early teens. I’m close to the stairs/gate and the Stewards who man the gate were often popping out and looking/checking on them. As if anticipating them doing something wrong! But they were actually very well behaved and I couldn’t understand why they were being watched so closely. This gives it a bit more context for me

GrangeEndStar/Sven

Many thanks to you both i loved been back and had the misses in tow after all that cemmo and radio theraphy she also loved it a jig in the borough friday night and game sat bril
not panicking on the result hitting the cross bar twice how bad can your luck get
Only gripe i want to see o' dowda on the wing and if he drops a b.ll.ck its up the other end of the pitch not as a left back which he is not a natural once again thanks for your comments.

Wayne Nash is not the man for the job.

GrangeEndStar/Sven

Many thanks to you both i loved been back and had the misses in tow after all that cemmo and radio theraphy she also loved it a jig in the borough friday night and game sat bril
not panicking on the result hitting the cross bar twice how bad can your luck get
Only gripe i want to see o' dowda on the wing and if he drops a b.ll.ck its up the other end of the pitch not as a left back which he is not a natural once again thanks for your comments.

Cheers, Monty; and best wishes to your wife in her battle...

Get rid of the man asap a joke he is.

Get rid of the man asap a joke he is.

Correct you are.

I can confirm that the above is exactly what happened Chris and it was all yet another disastrous decision by Wayne Nash and only decided on at the last minute giving people hardly any notice to make alternative agreements in where they want to sit. There has been zero fan consultation on this and if the opportunity arises, I will bring this up atp the 'Fan Parliament' this week, which I hope is not just a FLR box ticking meaningless talking shop. Several fans around me are lodging complaints this week as it was awful yesterday and is unacceptable. The heavy handed stewarding was also on Nash's instruction and someone who was affected actually works for the club and will also be complaining.

Nash is hell bent on destroying any atmosphere in the stadium and the board should see this, every decision he makes is like some sort of vendetta against the fans who see him as the Lawnmower Man who managed somehow to get to Ops Manager, a position obviously well beyond him. Club needs a clean sweep and he's another one at the top of the list to go, how he's survived this long is unbelievable.

It is all well and good to raise complaints where appropriate but Wednesday`s meeting is not a Fans Parliament one as these meetings haven`t started yet, Wednesday is for fans to have a Q &A session with new manager Erol Bulut nothing else and he can hardly be in a position to know anything about crowd control issues in the stadium. Therefore no point in you raising your complaints there.

If fans, after setting out exactly their view of what happened in their complaints to the club, don`t get a formal response then copying those details to the Trust (you don`t have to be Trust member) will enable us to press for a full response from the club, stewards and other crowd control personnel who were present.

Keith

Thanks Keith, I won't requote and I now realise it's just a Q&A, not FP.

And thanks for the offer, I'm emailing the various parties at the club including Nash.

GrangeEndStar

Tell this nash guy to read the forum
sounds a bit power crazy to me
like mark dripford

GrangeEndStar

Tell this nash guy to read the forum
sounds a bit power crazy to me
like mark dripford

If you think of Cardiff City as a business and us fans as customers then surely the powers that be can see we are being treated appallingly.

GrangeEndStar

Tell this nash guy to read the forum
sounds a bit power crazy to me
like mark dripford

He's simply not up to the job Monty, nothing against the guy but it's time the club sees him for what he is and he gets back to mowing the pitch, although he'd probably be gash at that too. How apt, Wayne Gash, I hope that nickname now sticks.

Okay, now those who know me will tell you I like to find out the facts before I plough in and I am open to being corrected, if the circumstances are different to what is put out on this Forum by myself and/or (on this occasion) others...

So here goes...

I have now spoken to people at the QPR game on both sides (supporters and officials) and it seems most of what I put out was correct and the decision was taken without consulting those affected and who might have wanted to have a choice in where they go...

Several posts on this thread pointed to Wayne Nash as the decision-maker for this occurrence and for the actions of the stewards...

With complete trust, I can now confirm the decision was NOT made by Wayne but by the Chief Safety Steward, who has such decisions (good or bad) as part of his remit and with that in mind, I feel Wayne is owed an apology for being dragged into the debate above...

Further, I agree with those who say personal attacks on anyone are not great to see. We know from experience Wayne can be a pain( ) but it's not good seeing people getting abuse from others who can hide and post in anonymity...

Hopefully, a lesson to be learned moving forward...

Okay, now those who know me will tell you I like to find out the facts before I plough in and I am open to being corrected, if the circumstances are different to what is put out on this Forum by myself and/or (on this occasion) others...

So here goes...

I have now spoken to people at the QPR game on both sides (supporters and officials) and it seems most of what I put out was correct and the decision was taken without consulting those affected and who might have wanted to have a choice in where they go...

Several posts on this thread pointed to Wayne Nash as the decision-maker for this occurrence and for the actions of the stewards...

With complete trust, I can now confirm the decision was NOT made by Wayne but by the Chief Safety Steward, who has such decisions (good or bad) as part of his remit and with that in mind, I feel Wayne is owed an apology for being dragged into the debate above...

Further, I agree with those who say personal attacks on anyone are not great to see. We know from experience Wayne can be a pain( ) but it's not good seeing people getting abuse from others who can hide and post in anonymity...

Hopefully, a lesson to be learned moving forward...

Thanks for providing the clarification and some facts in your posts. As you say, unjustified criticism based on rumour (and possibly a personal vendetta or two?) is not helpful.
What other posters have also not mentioned is the reported unacceptable behaviour of a small number of fans (not kids) in that area of the ground that had to be dealt with - behaviour captured on bodycam records. It doesn`t take many to possibly spoil it for the majority.

Okay, now those who know me will tell you I like to find out the facts before I plough in and I am open to being corrected, if the circumstances are different to what is put out on this Forum by myself and/or (on this occasion) others...

So here goes...

I have now spoken to people at the QPR game on both sides (supporters and officials) and it seems most of what I put out was correct and the decision was taken without consulting those affected and who might have wanted to have a choice in where they go...

Several posts on this thread pointed to Wayne Nash as the decision-maker for this occurrence and for the actions of the stewards...

With complete trust, I can now confirm the decision was NOT made by Wayne but by the Chief Safety Steward, who has such decisions (good or bad) as part of his remit and with that in mind, I feel Wayne is owed an apology for being dragged into the debate above...

Further, I agree with those who say personal attacks on anyone are not great to see. We know from experience Wayne can be a pain( ) but it's not good seeing people getting abuse from others who can hide and post in anonymity...

Hopefully, a lesson to be learned moving forward...

Thanks for providing the clarification and some facts in your posts. As you say, unjustified criticism based on rumour (and possibly a personal vendetta or two?) is not helpful.
What other posters have also not mentioned is the reported unacceptable behaviour of a small number of fans (not kids) in that area of the ground that had to be dealt with - behaviour captured on bodycam records. It doesn`t take many to possibly spoil it for the majority.

Thanks, Keith; I concur with that...

Whilst there are those (sadly not 'kids') who use unacceptable behaviour using the tired old 'it's a football match and I'll do what I want' rhetoric, I have also seen certain stewards (they'll know who they are be (polite version) a little overzealous in their dealings with undeserving youngsters...

Whilst here, a further point to my post above is that we wrongly said people were moved from Block 118 when it was actually the 'away end' side of Block 117 (118 is actually the 'no man's land' between the home and away support...

Thank you to the person (again, they'll know who they are) for that correction...

Okay, now those who know me will tell you I like to find out the facts before I plough in and I am open to being corrected, if the circumstances are different to what is put out on this Forum by myself and/or (on this occasion) others...

So here goes...

I have now spoken to people at the QPR game on both sides (supporters and officials) and it seems most of what I put out was correct and the decision was taken without consulting those affected and who might have wanted to have a choice in where they go...

Several posts on this thread pointed to Wayne Nash as the decision-maker for this occurrence and for the actions of the stewards...

With complete trust, I can now confirm the decision was NOT made by Wayne but by the Chief Safety Steward, who has such decisions (good or bad) as part of his remit and with that in mind, I feel Wayne is owed an apology for being dragged into the debate above...

Further, I agree with those who say personal attacks on anyone are not great to see. We know from experience Wayne can be a pain( ) but it's not good seeing people getting abuse from others who can hide and post in anonymity...

Hopefully, a lesson to be learned moving forward...

Thanks for providing the clarification and some facts in your posts. As you say, unjustified criticism based on rumour (and possibly a personal vendetta or two?) is not helpful.
What other posters have also not mentioned is the reported unacceptable behaviour of a small number of fans (not kids) in that area of the ground that had to be dealt with - behaviour captured on bodycam records. It doesn`t take many to possibly spoil it for the majority.

Thanks, Keith; I concur with that...

Whilst there are those (sadly not 'kids') who use unacceptable behaviour using the tired old 'it's a football match and I'll do what I want' rhetoric, I have also seen certain stewards (they'll know who they are be (polite version) a little overzealous in their dealings with undeserving youngsters...

Whilst here, a further point to my post above is that we wrongly said people were moved from Block 118 when it was actually the 'away end' side of Block 117 (118 is actually the 'no man's land' between the home and away support...

Thank you to the person (again, they'll know who they are) for that correction...

I have now had the chance to investigate the claimed "forced" move of seats for some supporters and these are the relevant facts

The club decided at the end of May to move approximately 25 fans in block 117 from an area one side of a gangway closest to away fans to another part of 117 with similar seats. All fans concerned were notified of the change by mid June and there were no objections received.

At the same time as the change above about 70 people in the family stand were moved further away from away supporters to create a larger buffer zone, They were notified early and again no objections. Part of the reason for this was that away support of up to 3,000 fans is expected for some games this season which would otherwise have reduced that buffer zone

Keith

Okay, now those who know me will tell you I like to find out the facts before I plough in and I am open to being corrected, if the circumstances are different to what is put out on this Forum by myself and/or (on this occasion) others...

So here goes...

I have now spoken to people at the QPR game on both sides (supporters and officials) and it seems most of what I put out was correct and the decision was taken without consulting those affected and who might have wanted to have a choice in where they go...

Several posts on this thread pointed to Wayne Nash as the decision-maker for this occurrence and for the actions of the stewards...

With complete trust, I can now confirm the decision was NOT made by Wayne but by the Chief Safety Steward, who has such decisions (good or bad) as part of his remit and with that in mind, I feel Wayne is owed an apology for being dragged into the debate above...

Further, I agree with those who say personal attacks on anyone are not great to see. We know from experience Wayne can be a pain( ) but it's not good seeing people getting abuse from others who can hide and post in anonymity...

Hopefully, a lesson to be learned moving forward...

Thanks for providing the clarification and some facts in your posts. As you say, unjustified criticism based on rumour (and possibly a personal vendetta or two?) is not helpful.
What other posters have also not mentioned is the reported unacceptable behaviour of a small number of fans (not kids) in that area of the ground that had to be dealt with - behaviour captured on bodycam records. It doesn`t take many to possibly spoil it for the majority.

Thanks, Keith; I concur with that...

Whilst there are those (sadly not 'kids') who use unacceptable behaviour using the tired old 'it's a football match and I'll do what I want' rhetoric, I have also seen certain stewards (they'll know who they are be (polite version) a little overzealous in their dealings with undeserving youngsters...

Whilst here, a further point to my post above is that we wrongly said people were moved from Block 118 when it was actually the 'away end' side of Block 117 (118 is actually the 'no man's land' between the home and away support...

Thank you to the person (again, they'll know who they are) for that correction...

I have now had the chance to investigate the claimed "forced" move of seats for some supporters and these are the relevant facts

The club decided at the end of May to move approximately 25 fans in block 117 from an area one side of a gangway closest to away fans to another part of 117 with similar seats. All fans concerned were notified of the change by mid June and there were no objections received.

At the same time as the change above about 70 people in the family stand were moved further away from away supporters to create a larger buffer zone, They were notified early and again no objections. Part of the reason for this was that away support of up to 3,000 fans is expected for some games this season which would otherwise have reduced that buffer zone

Keith

Thanks again, Keith. I'm sure you were told that in good faith and the explanation/reasoning behind the move is sound...

However, I know for a fact that many of those moved were not informed and had no choice once they got to the ground...

Equally, the unwarranted treatment of some (not all) youngsters is still of concern and I know letters/emails have bern sent to the club stating their concerns on all of the above...

May well have been a miscommunication in part but

Bigger buffer = less tickets.
Not hard to work it out!!

Okay, now those who know me will tell you I like to find out the facts before I plough in and I am open to being corrected, if the circumstances are different to what is put out on this Forum by myself and/or (on this occasion) others...

So here goes...

I have now spoken to people at the QPR game on both sides (supporters and officials) and it seems most of what I put out was correct and the decision was taken without consulting those affected and who might have wanted to have a choice in where they go...

Several posts on this thread pointed to Wayne Nash as the decision-maker for this occurrence and for the actions of the stewards...

With complete trust, I can now confirm the decision was NOT made by Wayne but by the Chief Safety Steward, who has such decisions (good or bad) as part of his remit and with that in mind, I feel Wayne is owed an apology for being dragged into the debate above...

Further, I agree with those who say personal attacks on anyone are not great to see. We know from experience Wayne can be a pain( ) but it's not good seeing people getting abuse from others who can hide and post in anonymity...

Hopefully, a lesson to be learned moving forward...

Thanks for providing the clarification and some facts in your posts. As you say, unjustified criticism based on rumour (and possibly a personal vendetta or two?) is not helpful.
What other posters have also not mentioned is the reported unacceptable behaviour of a small number of fans (not kids) in that area of the ground that had to be dealt with - behaviour captured on bodycam records. It doesn`t take many to possibly spoil it for the majority.

Out of interest, what is classed as bad behaviour to merit this action , I ask because I sometimes get the impression that Cardiff City employees continue to treat football fans as if it was 20 years ago.

Okay, now those who know me will tell you I like to find out the facts before I plough in and I am open to being corrected, if the circumstances are different to what is put out on this Forum by myself and/or (on this occasion) others...

So here goes...

I have now spoken to people at the QPR game on both sides (supporters and officials) and it seems most of what I put out was correct and the decision was taken without consulting those affected and who might have wanted to have a choice in where they go...

Several posts on this thread pointed to Wayne Nash as the decision-maker for this occurrence and for the actions of the stewards...

With complete trust, I can now confirm the decision was NOT made by Wayne but by the Chief Safety Steward, who has such decisions (good or bad) as part of his remit and with that in mind, I feel Wayne is owed an apology for being dragged into the debate above...

Further, I agree with those who say personal attacks on anyone are not great to see. We know from experience Wayne can be a pain( ) but it's not good seeing people getting abuse from others who can hide and post in anonymity...

Hopefully, a lesson to be learned moving forward...

Thanks for providing the clarification and some facts in your posts. As you say, unjustified criticism based on rumour (and possibly a personal vendetta or two?) is not helpful.
What other posters have also not mentioned is the reported unacceptable behaviour of a small number of fans (not kids) in that area of the ground that had to be dealt with - behaviour captured on bodycam records. It doesn`t take many to possibly spoil it for the majority.

Out of interest, what is classed as bad behaviour to merit this action , I ask because I sometimes get the impression that Cardiff City employees continue to treat football fans as if it was 20 years ago.

Moving seats just so they could goad away fans with obscene language and gestures. Then directing the same bile to stewards who asked them to move back to their proper seats and getting aggressive. Needed the response team to threaten to bring in the police before they reluctantly moved.