Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:41 pm
Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:45 am
Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:29 am
Whistler wrote:It is of concern that the Fans Parliament is supposed to meet in September and February, I have been asked to go on our FP but have had no notice from the club about any such meeting in September. I want to take this position seriously but there seams to be a lack of information on this matter, I would like to know if anyone else has had notification of the "September meeting"
Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:41 pm
Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:36 am
GrangeEndStar wrote:Hi Corky - The FAB hopefully is a great step forward for fans involvement. What I don't understand is why the Trust needs two members when one would surely suffice to represent their members, of which they only have 400? It applies to the SC too which has considerably more members to represent but given there are only positions for 3 'independent' fans (male/female/youth), the Trust seems to be massively over represented and surely they only need one spokesman, same as the SC really and two further other 'independent' fans could have had a position, so a total of 5 independent fans to represent the vast majority?
In no way a pop at the club, Trust or SC, just seems to be unnecessarily lop sided. I'm sure there's a logic in it but just interested to know how this format was decided.
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:57 pm
Corky wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:Hi Corky - The FAB hopefully is a great step forward for fans involvement. What I don't understand is why the Trust needs two members when one would surely suffice to represent their members, of which they only have 400? It applies to the SC too which has considerably more members to represent but given there are only positions for 3 'independent' fans (male/female/youth), the Trust seems to be massively over represented and surely they only need one spokesman, same as the SC really and two further other 'independent' fans could have had a position, so a total of 5 independent fans to represent the vast majority?
In no way a pop at the club, Trust or SC, just seems to be unnecessarily lop sided. I'm sure there's a logic in it but just interested to know how this format was decided.
Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:09 pm
corky wrote:Corky wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:Hi Corky - The FAB hopefully is a great step forward for fans involvement. What I don't understand is why the Trust needs two members when one would surely suffice to represent their members, of which they only have 400? It applies to the SC too which has considerably more members to represent but given there are only positions for 3 'independent' fans (male/female/youth), the Trust seems to be massively over represented and surely they only need one spokesman, same as the SC really and two further other 'independent' fans could have had a position, so a total of 5 independent fans to represent the vast majority?
In no way a pop at the club, Trust or SC, just seems to be unnecessarily lop sided. I'm sure there's a logic in it but just interested to know how this format was decided.
The FAB is a concept that the fan led review will bring into legislation probably within the next few years but our club wanted to be ahead of this and proactive.
This was debated and driven by the supporters groups especially the trust and the configuration of the group was decided. 9 from the Club and 9 from the supporters.
Initially it will be as described but going forward this can be changed if the fans are not happy .
It just needs to get started now and up and running ,then we can all see how this is working and if its fit for purpose in its current state.
Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:22 pm
Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:52 pm
GrangeEndStar wrote:corky wrote:Corky wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:Hi Corky - The FAB hopefully is a great step forward for fans involvement. What I don't understand is why the Trust needs two members when one would surely suffice to represent their members, of which they only have 400? It applies to the SC too which has considerably more members to represent but given there are only positions for 3 'independent' fans (male/female/youth), the Trust seems to be massively over represented and surely they only need one spokesman, same as the SC really and two further other 'independent' fans could have had a position, so a total of 5 independent fans to represent the vast majority?
In no way a pop at the club, Trust or SC, just seems to be unnecessarily lop sided. I'm sure there's a logic in it but just interested to know how this format was decided.
The FAB is a concept that the fan led review will bring into legislation probably within the next few years but our club wanted to be ahead of this and proactive.
This was debated and driven by the supporters groups especially the trust and the configuration of the group was decided. 9 from the Club and 9 from the supporters.
Initially it will be as described but going forward this can be changed if the fans are not happy .
It just needs to get started now and up and running ,then we can all see how this is working and if its fit for purpose in its current state.
Thanks Corky, as I said, its a good thing and of course the structure may change as it goes along if fans want it to be more equitable and representative. From a personal perspective I would have liked to have seen two more 'independent' fans included rather than the Trust and SC taking up two spots each as I think offers more representation and to also press on any questions which the Trust and SC will not press on due to their various ties with the club, whereas an independent fan doesn't have those limitations. Again, not a pop at anyone, it's a great platform and something we haven't had before and good in the club for doing it early but I'd like to see it be effective to include as many fans views as possible as opposed to a relatively small percentage.
I'm guessing that the club will be announcing how the independent fan selection process will be conducted in due course as it's not in the statement, not sure if you have any info you can share on that?
Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:04 pm
corky wrote:I think the fans groups will play the main role in this process...and will announce how its going to work...this is a fans initiative.
Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:17 pm
Ninian1962 wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:corky wrote:Corky wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:Hi Corky - The FAB hopefully is a great step forward for fans involvement. What I don't understand is why the Trust needs two members when one would surely suffice to represent their members, of which they only have 400? It applies to the SC too which has considerably more members to represent but given there are only positions for 3 'independent' fans (male/female/youth), the Trust seems to be massively over represented and surely they only need one spokesman, same as the SC really and two further other 'independent' fans could have had a position, so a total of 5 independent fans to represent the vast majority?
In no way a pop at the club, Trust or SC, just seems to be unnecessarily lop sided. I'm sure there's a logic in it but just interested to know how this format was decided.
The FAB is a concept that the fan led review will bring into legislation probably within the next few years but our club wanted to be ahead of this and proactive.
This was debated and driven by the supporters groups especially the trust and the configuration of the group was decided. 9 from the Club and 9 from the supporters.
Initially it will be as described but going forward this can be changed if the fans are not happy .
It just needs to get started now and up and running ,then we can all see how this is working and if its fit for purpose in its current state.
Thanks Corky, as I said, its a good thing and of course the structure may change as it goes along if fans want it to be more equitable and representative. From a personal perspective I would have liked to have seen two more 'independent' fans included rather than the Trust and SC taking up two spots each as I think offers more representation and to also press on any questions which the Trust and SC will not press on due to their various ties with the club, whereas an independent fan doesn't have those limitations. Again, not a pop at anyone, it's a great platform and something we haven't had before and good in the club for doing it early but I'd like to see it be effective to include as many fans views as possible as opposed to a relatively small percentage.
I'm guessing that the club will be announcing how the independent fan selection process will be conducted in due course as it's not in the statement, not sure if you have any info you can share on that?
I can only comment on behalf of the Trust rather than the other elected fans` bodies but can categorically assure you that the Trust never has and never will be afraid to press the club and its senior management for answers on topics raised by our members. This is because we have no ties whatsoever with the club other than all the Trust board are long standing fans of the club. We have never received funding from it or any other "favours" and have no financial or family ties to it. Our independence is supported by our membership of the national Football Supporters Association and the fact that we are formally recognised as an independent organisation by our registration with the Financial Conduct Authority.
We have been heavily involved in getting the structure in place since the first Fans Led Review, through the government White Paper until the latest development.
If we don`t do a proper job on the FAB when its gets going properly in the New Year then I would hope and expect that the members who elect us will tell us in no uncertain terms and we will act on it.
As for the election process, this has yet to be finalised at present but the aim is for the club to ask all season ticket holders to put forward applications for the three roles as the club has access to the database containing all season ticket holders. From the applications a shortlist will then be created by club discussions with the CCST,CCSC and DSA to make sure that applicants meet the criteria - i.e female for the ladies role, under 25 for the second role and a current season ticket holder for the third role. Applicants will be asked to confirm that they are not conflicted out of the selection process and are independent in their views. They must also confirm that they are available to attend all quarterly meetings in person. The shortlist is then intended to be circulated to season ticket holders to vote on.
Hope this helps
Keith
Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:39 pm
GrangeEndStar wrote:Ninian1962 wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:corky wrote:Corky wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:Hi Corky - The FAB hopefully is a great step forward for fans involvement. What I don't understand is why the Trust needs two members when one would surely suffice to represent their members, of which they only have 400? It applies to the SC too which has considerably more members to represent but given there are only positions for 3 'independent' fans (male/female/youth), the Trust seems to be massively over represented and surely they only need one spokesman, same as the SC really and two further other 'independent' fans could have had a position, so a total of 5 independent fans to represent the vast majority?
In no way a pop at the club, Trust or SC, just seems to be unnecessarily lop sided. I'm sure there's a logic in it but just interested to know how this format was decided.
The FAB is a concept that the fan led review will bring into legislation probably within the next few years but our club wanted to be ahead of this and proactive.
This was debated and driven by the supporters groups especially the trust and the configuration of the group was decided. 9 from the Club and 9 from the supporters.
Initially it will be as described but going forward this can be changed if the fans are not happy .
It just needs to get started now and up and running ,then we can all see how this is working and if its fit for purpose in its current state.
Thanks Corky, as I said, its a good thing and of course the structure may change as it goes along if fans want it to be more equitable and representative. From a personal perspective I would have liked to have seen two more 'independent' fans included rather than the Trust and SC taking up two spots each as I think offers more representation and to also press on any questions which the Trust and SC will not press on due to their various ties with the club, whereas an independent fan doesn't have those limitations. Again, not a pop at anyone, it's a great platform and something we haven't had before and good in the club for doing it early but I'd like to see it be effective to include as many fans views as possible as opposed to a relatively small percentage.
I'm guessing that the club will be announcing how the independent fan selection process will be conducted in due course as it's not in the statement, not sure if you have any info you can share on that?
I can only comment on behalf of the Trust rather than the other elected fans` bodies but can categorically assure you that the Trust never has and never will be afraid to press the club and its senior management for answers on topics raised by our members. This is because we have no ties whatsoever with the club other than all the Trust board are long standing fans of the club. We have never received funding from it or any other "favours" and have no financial or family ties to it. Our independence is supported by our membership of the national Football Supporters Association and the fact that we are formally recognised as an independent organisation by our registration with the Financial Conduct Authority.
We have been heavily involved in getting the structure in place since the first Fans Led Review, through the government White Paper until the latest development.
If we don`t do a proper job on the FAB when its gets going properly in the New Year then I would hope and expect that the members who elect us will tell us in no uncertain terms and we will act on it.
As for the election process, this has yet to be finalised at present but the aim is for the club to ask all season ticket holders to put forward applications for the three roles as the club has access to the database containing all season ticket holders. From the applications a shortlist will then be created by club discussions with the CCST,CCSC and DSA to make sure that applicants meet the criteria - i.e female for the ladies role, under 25 for the second role and a current season ticket holder for the third role. Applicants will be asked to confirm that they are not conflicted out of the selection process and are independent in their views. They must also confirm that they are available to attend all quarterly meetings in person. The shortlist is then intended to be circulated to season ticket holders to vote on.
Hope this helps
Keith
Thanks Keith, it's great this is coming forward early and I can only see it being a positive and much needed. What was the reasoning of having two Trust representatives at the meetings as I personally would have liked to have seen that space given to an additional elected fan, as they represent a wider base? I'm guessing the same reason also applies to the SC also having two as opposed to one where I would have thought that one representative would have been enough.