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Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want Robin

Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:14 pm

Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want Robinson part of his first team.

Callum Robinson is fresh off the back of a goal for Republic of Ireland in the international break and is fully fit, but he's not going to start for Cardiff City any time soon. Erol Bulut having a meeting with him tomorrow to explain the situation and discuss January.


Not looking good.
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Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:01 pm

I think Bulut is completely right.

It's what I've been saying since the start of the season. He simply doesn't work hard enough for the team.

Same goes for Rubin Colwill.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:07 pm

I get the impression that he thinks he knows better than the boss, never a good look in any job.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:44 pm

I find this really odd. We badly missed Robinson when he was unavailable last season.

Suddenly this season the new manager doesn't fancy him because he can't get him to track back enough and do the donkey work.

Has football moved on that much that every one of the 11 now needs to defend from the front at all times!?

Think it's sad that one of our most creative forwards is now persona non grata because Bulut doesn't like mavericks in the team.

He'll go elsewhere in January and be a success.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:47 pm

Erol Bulut:


“I see the last two games of Robinson, I cannot say that I am satisfied. I will also have a meeting with him, he just came today so I am going to have a meeting tomorrow to tell him what I am expecting of him. Sometimes players forget.”

Both Callum and Rubin are included in this. It’s not enough or what I am expecting from them to be in the starting XI. I cannot play with 10 players. I need XI. We are not a team who has individual high-class players to change a game, we need all XI to be successful. If one isn’t included in the game against the ball, it means other players have to run and fight much more. It doesn’t make sense, everyone has to work.”

Bulut
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Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:01 pm

Got to back the manager on this he is obviously trying to build a hard working team which is difficult to beat while scoring goals mostly on the break
To do this whoever plays the 10 role their main role is to be creative but they must also work for the team to protect the midfield
Ramsey was doing this and even though his tackling is atrocious he does chase down defenders and goalkeeper when needed. He’s just a bit of a nuisance
This I believe is what he wants from Rubin and Robbo and I can’t see any reason why they can’t do it they are both really good players who just need to work harder

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:05 pm

Different managers, different approaches.

Think I was correct then - in layman's terms Bulut thinks the pair of them are lazy b*starts!

I don't think it's often that you get creative forward players who also run their nuts off defending and closing down (like Siopis).

So you're telling me Bulut is happy with the shift Ugbo puts every time he plays or even Grant for that matter.

I think we have a fairly conservative manager here who champions graft and 100% discipline over individual skill and risk taking.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:43 pm

Moving his wage out to pay Kieffer?

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:02 pm

New Day Rising wrote:Moving his wage out to pay Kieffer?


Not sure it's for Moore, but I do agree that Robinson and others may leave in January that will pay for the wages of new players.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:05 pm

Tuna Pasta Bake wrote:Different managers, different approaches.

Think I was correct then - in layman's terms Bulut thinks the pair of them are lazy b*starts!

I don't think it's often that you get creative forward players who also run their nuts off defending and closing down (like Siopis).

So you're telling me Bulut is happy with the shift Ugbo puts every time he plays or even Grant for that matter.

I think we have a fairly conservative manager here who champions graft and 100% discipline over individual skill and risk taking.


You've been consistent with saying Robinson is an asset to us.

What you haven't been consistent with is the question whether he improves the team.

I don't believe he does. I think the manager is right.

He is great going forward but we need 11 players to fight for the team and Robinson doesn't.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:24 pm

Well they both had their had their chance and I like both players but most teams defend from the front these days.(The successful ones anyway.)I think it's great that we've got a proper boss now who is not afraid to make the tough calls and takes no heed of internet BS.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:27 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Tuna Pasta Bake wrote:Different managers, different approaches.

Think I was correct then - in layman's terms Bulut thinks the pair of them are lazy b*starts!

I don't think it's often that you get creative forward players who also run their nuts off defending and closing down (like Siopis).

So you're telling me Bulut is happy with the shift Ugbo puts every time he plays or even Grant for that matter.

I think we have a fairly conservative manager here who champions graft and 100% discipline over individual skill and risk taking.


You've been consistent with saying Robinson is an asset to us.

What you haven't been consistent with is the question whether he improves the team.

I don't believe he does. I think the manager is right.

He is great going forward but we need 11 players to fight for the team and Robinson doesn't.


Think you're being harsh on Robinson. He's still yet to start a game and he's being played in a number 10 role which I don't believe is his right position.

I agree he hasn't done enough when he's come on but his performances last season for us and in this division prove he's good enough.

I think he does improve the team and with the current injuries I'm amazed that Ugbo starts ahead of him.

If Bulut wants players to work that's fair enough, but picking Ugbo defeats that argument because that guy doesn't break sweat.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:29 pm

Worcester

I think Robinson is an improvement on Ugbo and would score more goals.

But it appears we won't find out unless Robinson shows Bulut the graft and dirty work he's demanding.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:36 pm

We are not good enough to carry any player who doesn’t give 100% especially when the manager has made it clear what he wants from each player.
Robinson is a good player but just doesn’t work hard enough .
I would have love to have seen him and Grant click again but doesn’t look like it’s gonna happen.
In Bulut I trust

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:06 pm

I think Bulut is spot on here. Last season he was a rose amongst thornes but now we aren't as reliant on him. Needs to earn his spot.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:11 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
New Day Rising wrote:Moving his wage out to pay Kieffer?


Not sure it's for Moore, but I do agree that Robinson and others may leave in January that will pay for the wages of new players.

Ned, I do believe Erol Bulut has a plan that includes moving players out to collect a wage bucket; but for me, Robinson on song is well worthy of a place in our side. We haven't (as someone asks above) mived on that much that we can jettison players who can make the difference when it matters...

I'd back the manager on any decision given his start to life at the CCS; but it will be with one eye covered when/if important players are pushed out...

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:29 pm

I had a feeling about this for a while , I think bulut just doesn’t like him for some reason , robbo can create so much more than ugbo and meite,
Will be a great loss if he goes January but the manager knows best and wtf do I know

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:34 pm

Big ego. Get rid.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:17 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:I think Bulut is completely right.

It's what I've been saying since the start of the season. He simply doesn't work hard enough for the team.

Same goes for Rubin Colwill.


Going back to last season, before his injury, when Robinson was really the main man nobody would’ve wanted him to leave.

This season the tactics are more modern and depend on defending/pressing from the front plus Robinson is not the main man anymore.

I rate Robinson but I don’t think he’s adapted to Bulut’s tactics and, unless he does, he may have to be moved on for the good of our squad and himself.

I have no problem with that.

However, where I don’t think Bulut’s argument stands up is if he picks Ugbo infront of Robinson. I haven’t got a problem with Ugbo but his work rate is no better than Robinson. Maybe there is a bit more of a personal conflict than we know but one way or the other, whilst I’d love Robinson to stay, I think he will go in January.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:02 am

Warwickshire Bluebird wrote:Big ego. Get rid.


Interesting comment when the lad played on for 15-20 mins for us with a torn hamstring. Undoubtedly exacerbating the injury to himself. He could have easily just walked off and left us with 10 men on the pitch.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:15 am

Simplesimon wrote:
Warwickshire Bluebird wrote:Big ego. Get rid.


Interesting comment when the lad played on for 15-20 mins for us with a torn hamstring. Undoubtedly exacerbating the injury to himself. He could have easily just walked off and left us with 10 men on the pitch.


This is an excellent point and I had forgotten that.Not the attitude of a player that doesn't care.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:20 am

If someone told a professional like Robinson to his face that he doesn't give 100% he'd probably dish out a slap.

For me, he's a better option than Ugbo but the manager sees different.

Sven is correct when he says we do not yet have the luxury or overall results to neglect to pick players proven as championship forwards.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:41 am

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Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:49 am

On the flip side... Maybe he's throwing down the gauntlet?! Prove yourself, work harder. Trying a different tact to motivate the lad to improve for the team.

Fergie used to, Mourinho often does.

Not my style, but let's see how Robbo reacts. Tanner did.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:02 pm

jimmy_rat wrote:On the flip side... Maybe he's throwing down the gauntlet?! Prove yourself, work harder. Trying a different tact to motivate the lad to improve for the team.

Fergie used to, Mourinho often does.

Not my style, but let's see how Robbo reacts. Tanner did.

I concur, gauntlets thrown ! Come on boys step up or ship out, no passengers all the talent (both of them) bring the desire and application and a fully fit squad with those two on song and rowing in the right direction will make us a match for most sides in this division. :bluebird:

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:39 pm

jimmy_rat wrote:On the flip side... Maybe he's throwing down the gauntlet?! Prove yourself, work harder. Trying a different tact to motivate the lad to improve for the team.

Fergie used to, Mourinho often does.

Not my style, but let's see how Robbo reacts. Tanner did.
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I agree with this too.You can't take Bulut word for word literally as english is only his second language and as such is open to interpretation.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:02 pm

I take the point about him playing on and in fairness I’d forgotten that. However, I don’t think he likes not being the main man. I might be wrong.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:17 pm

I agree with D.A.C give robinson a start over ugbo and give him the chance to prove that he can do the job. Hes got more ability up front and playing in that out and out striker role could be the door opener.

Re: Fans on here weeks were right that Bulut does not want R

Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:35 pm

Bit harsh on Robbo. He gets accused of doing the things Ugbo does week in week out.

Robbo would score more than Ugbo given the chance to play as a 9.

My option of course.