Erol Bulut: Contract Extension Now or Not?

From reading various posts and opinions, this is a genuine question regarding Bulut.

Many on here clearly want our manager to have a 2 or 3 year contract extension.

I’d like to know just why that is, as all I watch each week is some of the poorest football and lack of any passion or fight?

Strikers afraid to shoot. Midfielders with no creativity with constant sideways and backwards passing and now a defence leaking goals for fun.

We don’t create chances. We don’t get down the line or cross the ball into the box. We certainly don’t press when without the ball or move when we do have it.

All we do these last dozen or so games is play roulette along the back 4 until we fecking lose it. Our league position has been falsely high due to fortunate own goals.

What has happened to Siopis?

He came, looked aggressive. He was everywhere breaking up play etc. Now he’s a shadow of himself.Just gives the ball away.

Why are our midfielders so negative? Why was Runnarsson selected?

I can only assume they are told to play this way?

I don’t believe Bulut knows this league well enough and his constant tinkering and terrible substitutions to me says he just doesn’t know his best XI.

How can the tinkering help players confidence? Look what he’s also done to Colwill. Doesn’t know if he’s coming or going. Plays well and gets yanked off.

That to me is a worry. Every team knows all they have to do is high press and we crumble. Even our once steady back 2 now look weak.

Can someone please convince me that the way we are playing deserves a contract extension?

Morrison got sacked for less. At least with him we showed some passion.

All this focus on Tan is just sweeping our current shit show under the carpet.

I have to agree. Most live in hope that the initial football played under his management will return if he gets some decent players in and that given 3 years he will have been given enough time to turn us into a force. I am not convinced, there is no excuse for how bad we have become.

We cannot keep sacking managers every 6 months. That's not the answer.

We cannot keep sacking managers every 6 months. That's not the answer.

Whilst you're right about sacking managers every six months does that mean that we just have to put up with all the pertinent criticism made by the OP on this thread?

There seems to be a large amount of support for Bulut on this board and I'm struggling to see why that is based solely on the team performances of the last few months which have been truly appalling.

Can anyone identify any player who seems to have improved under Bulut's coaching?

Last edited by davids on Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Mad Mick did well enough to get a contract. Look where that got us.. maybe he just needed a few more players in the end (not defenders)!? If Bulut can't motivate the players he's got and get them playing to their strengths, what difference will a new contract and a few more players make?

From reading various posts and opinions, this is a genuine question regarding Bulut.

Many on here clearly want our manager to have a 2 or 3 year contract extension.

I’d like to know just why that is, as all I watch each week is some of the poorest football and lack of any passion or fight?

Strikers afraid to shoot. Midfielders with no creativity with constant sideways and backwards passing and now a defence leaking goals for fun.

We don’t create chances. We don’t get down the line or cross the ball into the box. We certainly don’t press when without the ball or move when we do have it.

All we do these last dozen or so games is play roulette along the back 4 until we fecking lose it. Our league position has been falsely high due to fortunate own goals.

What has happened to Siopis?

He came, looked aggressive. He was everywhere breaking up play etc. Now he’s a shadow of himself.Just gives the ball away.

Why are our midfielders so negative? Why was Runnarsson selected?

I can only assume they are told to play this way?

I don’t believe Bulut knows this league well enough and his constant tinkering and terrible substitutions to me says he just doesn’t know his best XI.

How can the tinkering help players confidence? Look what he’s also done to Colwill. Doesn’t know if he’s coming or going. Plays well and gets yanked off.

That to me is a worry. Every team knows all they have to do is high press and we crumble. Even our once steady back 2 now look weak.

Can someone please convince me that the way we are playing deserves a contract extension?

Morrison got sacked for less. At least with him we showed some passion.

All this focus on Tan is just sweeping our current shit show under the carpet.

Excellent post with some very pertinent questions.

Perhaps those advocating a two or three year contract for the manager can provide a few answers?

I think it is a bit of an unanswerable conundrum. Are the players so bad, jaded or whatever that no manager could get them to perform or is Bulut completely devoid of ideas as to how to set them up and motivate them ?

The only way to find out is to allow him to bring in some news players and hope for a recognisable improvement. If it becomes obvious that even with better quality players we are still turning out the same dross I don't see us requiring his services for much longer. Definitely wouldn't offer him a three year contract.

I think it is a bit of an unanswerable conundrum. Are the players so bad, jaded or whatever that no manager could get them to perform or is Bulut completely devoid of ideas as to how to set them up and motivate them ?

The only way to find out is to allow him to bring in some news players and hope for a recognisable improvement. If it becomes obvious that even with better quality players we are still turning out the same dross I don't see us requiring his services for much longer. Definitely wouldn't offer him a three year contract.

All great posts boys and I'm firmly with you all on this. The way he set his teams out against Leeds and Leicester was shocking, Bulut's tinkering in games has cost us big points (Ipswich still grates!) I get the not wanting to change BUT the football has been dire for three months, he's turned Bowler and Tanner into shadows of themselves(more worried about their 'defensive duties' He refuses to give rubin a run where we need him,playing as a 10, and despite our lack of goals and threat upfront refuses to play Grant at centre forward? The kid scored a hatful playing there for Charlton, Huddersfield and West Brom, so why does he refuse to play him there? Don't get me going on the boring slow play out from the back, where we plainly are NOT comfortable

There are some really decent managers out there if you look, all with championship experience good grafters, taken sides up or challenging.I'd sooner one of those than Erol, he hasn't done it for me. I'll always support whoever, but speak my mind where I see fit. As the O said do we stick to boring dire football, al for the sake of not changing again>

......I don't think so!!

From reading various posts and opinions, this is a genuine question regarding Bulut.

Many on here clearly want our manager to have a 2 or 3 year contract extension.

I’d like to know just why that is, as all I watch each week is some of the poorest football and lack of any passion or fight?

Strikers afraid to shoot. Midfielders with no creativity with constant sideways and backwards passing and now a defence leaking goals for fun.

We don’t create chances. We don’t get down the line or cross the ball into the box. We certainly don’t press when without the ball or move when we do have it.

All we do these last dozen or so games is play roulette along the back 4 until we fecking lose it. Our league position has been falsely high due to fortunate own goals.

What has happened to Siopis?

He came, looked aggressive. He was everywhere breaking up play etc. Now he’s a shadow of himself.Just gives the ball away.

Why are our midfielders so negative? Why was Runnarsson selected?

I can only assume they are told to play this way?

I don’t believe Bulut knows this league well enough and his constant tinkering and terrible substitutions to me says he just doesn’t know his best XI.

How can the tinkering help players confidence? Look what he’s also done to Colwill. Doesn’t know if he’s coming or going. Plays well and gets yanked off.

That to me is a worry. Every team knows all they have to do is high press and we crumble. Even our once steady back 2 now look weak.

Can someone please convince me that the way we are playing deserves a contract extension?

Morrison got sacked for less. At least with him we showed some passion.

All this focus on Tan is just sweeping our current shit show under the carpet.

Pep couldn't get our front-line scoring!

We need O'Dowda, and Ramsey back and a Stiker and then judge him, I can't understand how people expect us to carry on how we started with Strikers who can't score and attacking players who can't make a killer pass.

Erol had done very well and made great additions in Siopis and Goutas, he needs a contract extension and cover for Ramsey and O'Dowda and a replacement for Collins at the very least.

I would give him a two-year extension, he's the best we've had since Warnock by a country mile.

I think it is a bit of an unanswerable conundrum. Are the players so bad, jaded or whatever that no manager could get them to perform or is Bulut completely devoid of ideas as to how to set them up and motivate them ?

The only way to find out is to allow him to bring in some news players and hope for a recognisable improvement. If it becomes obvious that even with better quality players we are still turning out the same dross I don't see us requiring his services for much longer. Definitely wouldn't offer him a three year contract.

All great posts boys and I'm firmly with you all on this. The way he set his teams out against Leeds and Leicester was shocking, Bulut's tinkering in games has cost us big points (Ipswich still grates!) I get the not wanting to change BUT the football has been dire for three months, he's turned Bowler and Tanner into shadows of themselves(more worried about their 'defensive duties' He refuses to give rubin a run where we need him,playing as a 10, and despite our lack of goals and threat upfront refuses to play Grant at centre forward? The kid scored a hatful playing there for Charlton, Huddersfield and West Brom, so why does he refuse to play him there? Don't get me going on the boring slow play out from the back, where we plainly are NOT comfortable

There are some really decent managers out there if you look, all with championship experience good grafters, taken sides up or challenging.I'd sooner one of those than Erol, he hasn't done it for me. I'll always support whoever, but speak my mind where I see fit. As the O said do we stick to boring dire football, al for the sake of not changing again>

......I don't think so!!

Bowler was great when he had Ramsey and Ugbo and O'Dowda, teams couldn't double up and stop him as they were worried about the others, now it's easy, stop Bowler stop Cardiff.

Offer 1 year extension with the option of 2 plus 1 year extensions. So that would give 3 years if required. Then look at a full contract renewal if applicable.

I believe he is the right manager for us at this time, he appears to know the European market well and given time and money could build a good side. His problem at the moment is he wants to play a certain way but feels he doesn't have the players to do it. He then has tried to fit square pegs into round holes. I don't believe there is a better manager out there that we could attract to our club at this time.

I believe he is the right manager for us at this time, he appears to know the European market well and given time and money could build a good side. His problem at the moment is he wants to play a certain way but feels he doesn't have the players to do it. He then has tried to fit square pegs into round holes. I don't believe there is a better manager out there that we could attract to our club at this time.

Agreed, the overseas market is an important factor, Siopis and Goutas have been great additions, and with a few options upfront we've seen what he can do when we had O'Dowda and Ramsey, imagine if he had those fit and Moore!

We cannot keep sacking managers every 6 months. That's not the answer.

No but neither is the awful tactics and football we've seen for the past three months. You would keep a manager
just for the sake of not changing them? If he loses the next four as an example?

I think it is a bit of an unanswerable conundrum. Are the players so bad, jaded or whatever that no manager could get them to perform or is Bulut completely devoid of ideas as to how to set them up and motivate them ?

The only way to find out is to allow him to bring in some news players and hope for a recognisable improvement. If it becomes obvious that even with better quality players we are still turning out the same dross I don't see us requiring his services for much longer. Definitely wouldn't offer him a three year contract.

All great posts boys and I'm firmly with you all on this. The way he set his teams out against Leeds and Leicester was shocking, Bulut's tinkering in games has cost us big points (Ipswich still grates!) I get the not wanting to change BUT the football has been dire for three months, he's turned Bowler and Tanner into shadows of themselves(more worried about their 'defensive duties' He refuses to give rubin a run where we need him,playing as a 10, and despite our lack of goals and threat upfront refuses to play Grant at centre forward? The kid scored a hatful playing there for Charlton, Huddersfield and West Brom, so why does he refuse to play him there? Don't get me going on the boring slow play out from the back, where we plainly are NOT comfortable

There are some really decent managers out there if you look, all with championship experience good grafters, taken sides up or challenging.I'd sooner one of those than Erol, he hasn't done it for me. I'll always support whoever, but speak my mind where I see fit. As the O said do we stick to boring dire football, al for the sake of not changing again>

......I don't think so!!

Bowler was great when he had Ramsey and Ugbo and O'Dowda, teams couldn't double up and stop him as they were worried about the others, now it's easy, stop Bowler stop Cardiff.

Not even taht now,because all his creative ability has been sucked out by Bulut who wants him to track back and defend, Let the boy concentrate on what he does best, we've got enough defensive heads in there.

We aren't creating chances, you have to let the lads play,.All down to the poor management and tactics.

I think the major problem for Erol is the last two seasons.

2021/22 just narrowly missed out on automatic promotion and failed in the playoffs with some of the most fluid attacking football I have witnessed, league top scorers, luck wasn't with us we just didn't complete the job

Then onto last season 22/23. Not quite as good as season as the previous season, but great football and kept it exciting to the end by flirting with the playoff. Fighting off the premier league scouts from all our talented young quick players has been a bit of a chore though.

So with basically the same squad that achieved so much, plus the additions, the pressure is really on him as none of us predicted we'd be mid-table with this squad.

He needs to go !!!!

I think the major problem for Erol is the last two seasons.

2021/22 just narrowly missed out on automatic promotion and failed in the playoffs with some of the most fluid attacking football I have witnessed, league top scorers, luck wasn't with us we just didn't complete the job

Then onto last season 22/23. Not quite as good as season as the previous season, but great football and kept it exciting to the end by flirting with the playoff. Fighting off the premier league scouts from all our talented young quick players has been a bit of a chore though.

So with basically the same squad that achieved so much, plus the additions, the pressure is really on him as none of us predicted we'd be mid-table with this squad.

He needs to go !!!!

LB what are you talking about.

I think the major problem for Erol is the last two seasons.

2021/22 just narrowly missed out on automatic promotion and failed in the playoffs with some of the most fluid attacking football I have witnessed, league top scorers, luck wasn't with us we just didn't complete the job

Then onto last season 22/23. Not quite as good as season as the previous season, but great football and kept it exciting to the end by flirting with the playoff. Fighting off the premier league scouts from all our talented young quick players has been a bit of a chore though.

So with basically the same squad that achieved so much, plus the additions, the pressure is really on him as none of us predicted we'd be mid-table with this squad.

He needs to go !!!!

LB what are you talking about.

I want to enter the alternative world some of our posters live in......

This squad is a mid table L1 squad and we are talking about options and strategies that our players are incapable of.

The midfield is functional, the attack non-existent and the defence is OK because we set up defensive to keep it tight and nick a goal from a set play.

The Jacks have taken the piss a "doble doble" and Brizzle even joined in, this season we went home happy.....how quick we forget!!

This championship is much better than the last. Leicester, Soton & Leeds would hammer the 3 teams that were promoted last season.

We have been sussed and he needs weapons to change that. No one presses us because we don't have the player to break a 10 man defence unless moments of brilliance (Bristol & Swansea) we can't even go all Warnock because we don't have the athletes.

But Erol should make Wintle pass like Whitts, Ralls to be 5 years younger, Etete trap the ball, Collins to defend or Colwill to run faster !!!!

Thats my reality

Give him another year with a full summer transfer window see what he can do .

I think it is a bit of an unanswerable conundrum. Are the players so bad, jaded or whatever that no manager could get them to perform or is Bulut completely devoid of ideas as to how to set them up and motivate them ?

The only way to find out is to allow him to bring in some news players and hope for a recognisable improvement. If it becomes obvious that even with better quality players we are still turning out the same dross I don't see us requiring his services for much longer. Definitely wouldn't offer him a three year contract.

All great posts boys and I'm firmly with you all on this. The way he set his teams out against Leeds and Leicester was shocking, Bulut's tinkering in games has cost us big points (Ipswich still grates!) I get the not wanting to change BUT the football has been dire for three months, he's turned Bowler and Tanner into shadows of themselves(more worried about their 'defensive duties' He refuses to give rubin a run where we need him,playing as a 10, and despite our lack of goals and threat upfront refuses to play Grant at centre forward? The kid scored a hatful playing there for Charlton, Huddersfield and West Brom, so why does he refuse to play him there? Don't get me going on the boring slow play out from the back, where we plainly are NOT comfortable

There are some really decent managers out there if you look, all with championship experience good grafters, taken sides up or challenging.I'd sooner one of those than Erol, he hasn't done it for me. I'll always support whoever, but speak my mind where I see fit. As the O said do we stick to boring dire football, al for the sake of not changing again>

......I don't think so!!

Bowler was great when he had Ramsey and Ugbo and O'Dowda, teams couldn't double up and stop him as they were worried about the others, now it's easy, stop Bowler stop Cardiff.

Not even taht now,because all his creative ability has been sucked out by Bulut who wants him to track back and defend, Let the boy concentrate on what he does best, we've got enough defensive heads in there.

We aren't creating chances, you have to let the lads play,.All down to the poor management and tactics.

Thats not true, it's because he's our only threat, teams have blocked his runs trough to the middle, the centre half can always come across because we have nothing left or in the middle.

Llan is right, you bring Klopp here he couldn't get anything from our attacking players either without a Striker and Ramsey and O'Dowda the others aren't good enough.