Overplaying/Style of play..

Modern day football, as we now know it.
The last couple of seasons it’s crept into domestic football, I don’t quite get it.
It maybe works for the Top teams with big squads who have quality players who are coached by the best managers/coaches.
We all like to watch the ball being passed around the field but what’s happening now is teams are trying to play out from the back, getting caught in possession, keeping the ball, going side-ways, passing back to the keeper who then eventually hoofs it up field.
Why are teams, us included all of a sudden think we are the Barcelona, Man City’s of the world.
What happened to getting the ball out wide, getting crosses into the box putting teams under pressure with the high press.
Don’t even get me started on the goal-kicks that’s going on, the sooner they bring the ball having to go outside of the 18 yard box from a goal-kick the better.
Thoughts????

When I watch the top teams play it out from the back they seem to find space in the middle of their own half from where they can go on the attack. I guess keeping the ball at their level gives you a better chance of scoring a goal.

At our level it seems the other way around. For me if we are to play it out from the back then get it in the oppositions half as soon as possible, don't knock it around in our own half. That is unless you want to finish the fans off with heart attacks.

Modern day football, as we now know it.
The last couple of seasons it’s crept into domestic football, I don’t quite get it.
It maybe works for the Top teams with big squads who have quality players who are coached by the best managers/coaches.
We all like to watch the ball being passed around the field but what’s happening now is teams are trying to play out from the back, getting caught in possession, keeping the ball, going side-ways, passing back to the keeper who then eventually hoofs it up field.
Why are teams, us included all of a sudden think we are the Barcelona, Man City’s of the world.
What happened to getting the ball out wide, getting crosses into the box putting teams under pressure with the high press.
Don’t even get me started on the goal-kicks that’s going on, the sooner they bring the ball having to go outside of the 18 yard box from a goal-kick the better.
Thoughts????

Not sure why they brought in the goalkick rule of allowing 2 men In box as it is the biggest time wasting scam in football! Pretend to use defenders then stop so that keeper kicks it out average 90 seconds or more wasted...... playing out from back is OK as long as you are playing it forwards? City amongst many are playing ball facing own goal just like swans tonight costing 2 goals.

When it's done right, it's brilliant.

I don't agree that it's just the elite clubs like Manchester City who can do it well. In fact, Barcelona have continued with it as you'd expect but their performances have been very poor.

It can work at any level, if it's done right. This was proven last season with Burnley in the Championship and Notts County in the National League.

This season, Leicester play like it and it's clearly working for them.


It's not all down to the quality of players, although that obviously helps. Almost all of it is about discipline and coaching.

When you watch Manchester City, it looks like their defenders and midfielders are told they can play wherever they want. But actually, every single thing has been coached into them. It's why when they sign a player, it takes about a year before they become a regular starter - that was the case with Grealish and others. Even the likes of Foden took a while to get into the first team because he had to understand the discipline of playing like that.


Obviously the ex Notts County manager is now in charge of Swansea. They gave away a couple of goals tonight because those players haven't had the time to be coached that the Notts County players had. If he can coach these players in the same way, then Swansea will go on to be successful with him. But they do need to be patient.


When it's not done well, it looks awful and stupid goals are conceded. This is mostly due to players not understanding their roles or not enough coaches to implement the style. It also takes a lot of time to properly teach players this style.

If you look back to when Guardiola first came to the PL, his team struggled at first and just got in the top four. It took time for the players to understand what they had to do.


Unfortunately, managers in the EFL are not afforded the luxury of time these days.

It must be done quick and 1 or two touch’s minimum then u need movement from u midfielders and centre backs who are comfortable on the ball and can drop into a cdm roll buy pushing the team up the pitch it can create so much space if done correct to cut a long storie short we Cardiff can’t do it we r just need to play in opponents half of pitch get it wide and when defending if in dought kick it out

When it's done right, it's brilliant.

I don't agree that it's just the elite clubs like Manchester City who can do it well. In fact, Barcelona have continued with it as you'd expect but their performances have been very poor.

It can work at any level, if it's done right. This was proven last season with Burnley in the Championship and Notts County in the National League.

This season, Leicester play like it and it's clearly working for them.


It's not all down to the quality of players, although that obviously helps. Almost all of it is about discipline and coaching.

When you watch Manchester City, it looks like their defenders and midfielders are told they can play wherever they want. But actually, every single thing has been coached into them. It's why when they sign a player, it takes about a year before they become a regular starter - that was the case with Grealish and others. Even the likes of Foden took a while to get into the first team because he had to understand the discipline of playing like that.


Obviously the ex Notts County manager is now in charge of Swansea. They gave away a couple of goals tonight because those players haven't had the time to be coached that the Notts County players had. If he can coach these players in the same way, then Swansea will go on to be successful with him. But they do need to be patient.


When it's not done well, it looks awful and stupid goals are conceded. This is mostly due to players not understanding their roles or not enough coaches to implement the style. It also takes a lot of time to properly teach players this style.

If you look back to when Guardiola first came to the PL, his team struggled at first and just got in the top four. It took time for the players to understand what they had to do.


Unfortunately, managers in the EFL are not afforded the luxury of time these days.

This is correct. This is why Cardiff need to hold on to a manager to give time for players to adapt. Plus we need to buy players that fit into the manager’s system. We still have a squad full of players signed under several managers, so we are a little disjointed.

Everything is relative.

Its the opposition. If the Jacks played like yesterday against a team not set up to press without great athletes then the chances of it coming off are high, but Bournemouth were like racing snakes and great footballing ability, its why they are in the premier league and not the championship.

With Etete,Meite, Colwill, Tanner, or Bowler they are just not athletic enough to press, so teams can play around until they meet our low block. Its why Bulut has to play Wintle in an attacking role as he is one of the few to have the legs for it, the other being Rimonhota.

Issac Davies and Mark Harris gave us press ability but something else has to give, well not really as our current wide forwards give us next to fcuk all.

Teams don't need to press us as we do not have the weapons to hurt them in midfield, wide, or up top, so they sit there and wait for us to turn it over. Failed presses allow us to break their lines, counter, and potentially score or get a corner. Very few teams give us that opportunity now

The idea is to get the ball to your playmaker in space, so we take all that risk to get the ball to Wintle to play in back!!! When Rambo is back then i think the risk is worth it or if he trusts Colwill to roam to get the ball.

But we are stuck with this as we don't have the strength to hold onto the ball or the legs to burn defenders up top

Everything is relative.

Its the opposition. If the Jacks played like yesterday against a team not set up to press without great athletes then the chances of it coming off are high, but Bournemouth were like racing snakes and great footballing ability, its why they are in the premier league and not the championship.

With Etete,Meite, Colwill, Tanner, or Bowler they are just not athletic enough to press, so teams can play around until they meet our low block. Its why Bulut has to play Wintle in an attacking role as he is one of the few to have the legs for it, the other being Rimonhota.

Issac Davies and Mark Harris gave us press ability but something else has to give, well not really as our current wide forwards give us next to fcuk all.

Teams don't need to press us as we do not have the weapons to hurt them in midfield, wide, or up top, so they sit there and wait for us to turn it over. Failed presses allow us to break their lines, counter, and potentially score or get a corner. Very few teams give us that opportunity now

The idea is to get the ball to your playmaker in space, so we take all that risk to get the ball to Wintle to play in back!!! When Rambo is back then i think the risk is worth it or if he trusts Colwill to roam to get the ball.

But we are stuck with this as we don't have the strength to hold onto the ball or the legs to burn defenders up top

Rambo, O'Dowda, Bowler, and Ugbo caused havoc early on, now teams simply have to stop Bowler cutting inside as that's all we've got. When the others were they they could spare a man to double up on him as they were more worried about the other two, and Ugbo's energy and runs worried them.