Getting around Financial Fair Play ("FFP")

So CCFC are using FFP as an excuse.

I say an excuse because, if they wanted to get around it, they could with a little bit of sideways thinking.

Let's say VT invested £30m into Kortrijk and bought Isaac Davies from Cardiff for £30m

That money then comes into CCFC as an investment allowing us to buy the players we want as well as reduce our FFP balance over 3 years

There are other work arounds which I am sure people can think of.

So if we can think of these ideas why can't the club

I'm sure theres some contractual giggerypokery that could be done, look at chelsea, sign someone for 8 years as a way of spreading the cost. if were looking at younger players stick them on long term contract with an option to leave after 2/3 years. Gotta be a way of wording it cleverly to get around FFP

So CCFC are using FFP as an excuse.

I say an excuse because, if they wanted to get around it, they could with a little bit of sideways thinking.

Let's say VT invested £30m into Kortrijk and bought Isaac Davies from Cardiff for £30m

That money then comes into CCFC as an investment allowing us to buy the players we want as well as reduce our FFP balance over 3 years

There are other work arounds which I am sure people can think of.

So if we can think of these ideas why can't the club

Your not allowed to do that as Newcastle have found out that loop hole has been closed ,

Wez what did Newcastle do?

How can it be wrong? If another club wanted to buy one of our players for £30m surely they are able to make such an offer??

Wez what did Newcastle do?

How can it be wrong? If another club wanted to buy one of our players for £30m surely they are able to make such an offer??

The fa were worried about man city and Newcastle trading between clubs with the same owners so put regulations in place so they can't over inflate trying to beat ffp

Paul, i think there is merit in what you, as i have previously posted, no one knows how close we are to FFP only the club, and we all know how truthful they are.

Paul, i think there is merit in what you, as i have previously posted, no one knows how close we are to FFP only the club, and we all know how truthful they are.

This was from an article in 2023 and guessing there is a reason Newcastle aren't using this

With the recent transfers of superstars like Cristiano Ronaldo, Karim Benzema, and N’golo Kante, to the Saudi Arabian league, in the latest transfer window, there is the possibility of player transfers between clubs under the same ownership. Since the PIF runs a multi-club ownership model, it means that if Al-Hilal likes a player in Newcastle, it is easier to get the player, as they do not have to go into the hassle of any negotiation with Newcastle United. The same applies to Newcastle, as they would simply just loan any of the players from any of the PIF clubs earlier mentioned at no cost to Newcastle, with no salary obligations.

What this mean is that for the 2023/2024 Season, Newcastle can loan Karim Benzema, Cristiano Ronaldo, Ruben Neves, Neymar, Mahrez, Kante, Koulibaly, and Mendy from their family in Saudi Arabia, a decision which will have a significant impact on the UEFA Champions League and Premier League, without paying any transfer fees or even wages. While this seems to contradict the main goal of the PIF for the Saudi Arabian Pro League, there is no clear restriction to such a play, even with the FFP rule.

This, therefore, means that clubs within the same ownership can get players from each other without any financial obligation and without breaching FFP rules. It will be interesting to see how the football governing bodies respond to this development.

So CCFC are using FFP as an excuse.

I say an excuse because, if they wanted to get around it, they could with a little bit of sideways thinking.

Let's say VT invested £30m into Kortrijk and bought Isaac Davies from Cardiff for £30m

That money then comes into CCFC as an investment allowing us to buy the players we want as well as reduce our FFP balance over 3 years

There are other work arounds which I am sure people can think of.

So if we can think of these ideas why can't the club

Because it's a blatant breach of the rules, you can't just make figures up.

Is there any actual way of knowing how close a club is to breaching FFP or is it more checking the end of year accounts for the last 3 years and doing the maths?

So CCFC are using FFP as an excuse.

I say an excuse because, if they wanted to get around it, they could with a little bit of sideways thinking.

Let's say VT invested £30m into Kortrijk and bought Isaac Davies from Cardiff for £30m

That money then comes into CCFC as an investment allowing us to buy the players we want as well as reduce our FFP balance over 3 years

There are other work arounds which I am sure people can think of.

So if we can think of these ideas why can't the club

I asked this question last April as it's an obvious option. The person I asked is extremely credible and they echo what has been said above, in that as the EFL are all over FFP, this would be be seen as cheating and breaching the rules, as it's so blatant and obvious.

To answer another question that someone has posted about where we currently are in terms of how close we are to the FFP limit, not even Keith Morgan knows and he's probably one of the best persons places to know.

So it raises the question that if we have been so close to FFP since April, could more have been done to avoid the present situation, as it was always going to affect us.

Whatever the situation, I have said for sometime that this is all about next summer and we need to make sure that FFP is not an issue then. We will bring a couple in before the Jan window closes to ensure safety, at least I hope we do as on current form we will be in another bottom end struggle.

If would be great if any Jan additions could be part of a suitable squad build next summer but I'm not expecting much, if indeed FFP is really the limiting factor here as we are being led to believe.

What about Stadium naming rights as a way of Tan putting money in or getting it from highest bidder ?
I don’t understand how it’s never been done yet

What about Stadium naming rights as a way of Tan putting money in or getting it from highest bidder ?
I don’t understand how it’s never been done yet

Until we are established in the Premier it will always be CCS.

So CCFC are using FFP as an excuse.

I say an excuse because, if they wanted to get around it, they could with a little bit of sideways thinking.

Let's say VT invested £30m into Kortrijk and bought Isaac Davies from Cardiff for £30m

That money then comes into CCFC as an investment allowing us to buy the players we want as well as reduce our FFP balance over 3 years

There are other work arounds which I am sure people can think of.

So if we can think of these ideas why can't the club

Its a related transaction and so has to be valued for FFP purposes at fair value which is effectively the value a third party would pay. £30 million for Isaac Davies!! Derby tried it with the sale of their ground at a huge profit to a company the owner was the majority shareholder in and this is what did for them in the end. That's not saying some clubs have got away with it especially the ones with clout.

What about Stadium naming rights as a way of Tan putting money in or getting it from highest bidder ?
I don’t understand how it’s never been done yet

Until we are established in the Premier it will always be CCS.

Something on the back of my brain is saying Sam Hamman would get something from the naming rights Maybe totally wrong thou

We've had expenses for Sala and had to pay Nantes when that comes back we will be better off, we already have the money from the Insurance Brokers, and we have to be sensible in the short term.

We are better taking the Swansea, Brentford and Brighton model, bt=uying younger and cheaper and selling on, we've wasted to much for too long on old has been in decline.

We would face charges doing that.

Stadium naming rights. 20m to call it after tans company ooh wait isnt that what derby got caught doing.

I'm sure theres some contractual giggerypokery that could be done, look at chelsea, sign someone for 8 years as a way of spreading the cost. if were looking at younger players stick them on long term contract with an option to leave after 2/3 years. Gotta be a way of wording it cleverly to get around FFP

I'm old enough to remember Bristol City awarding 10yr contracts to the side that was promoted years ago and if it wasn't for some of their players waiving their contractual rights they would have gone bust.I wouldn't use Chelsea as a model for getting round FFP as the chickens have yet to roost as far as they are concerned.

Stadium naming rights. 20m to call it after tans company ooh wait isnt that what derby got caught doing.

Not sure you can do that either.

What about Stadium naming rights as a way of Tan putting money in or getting it from highest bidder ?
I don’t understand how it’s never been done yet

Until we are established in the Premier it will always be CCS.

Something on the back of my brain is saying Sam Hamman would get something from the naming rights Maybe totally wrong thou

That would be fair as he did most of the planning

Let’s just run the club probably not risk any further punishment

What about Stadium naming rights as a way of Tan putting money in or getting it from highest bidder ?
I don’t understand how it’s never been done yet

Until we are established in the Premier it will always be CCS.

Something on the back of my brain is saying Sam Hamman would get something from the naming rights Maybe totally wrong thou

Not anymore .he's long gone .

What about Stadium naming rights as a way of Tan putting money in or getting it from highest bidder ?
I don’t understand how it’s never been done yet

Until we are established in the Premier it will always be CCS.

Something on the back of my brain is saying Sam Hamman would get something from the naming rights Maybe totally wrong thou

That would be fair as he did most of the planning

You couldn't make it up-a thread dedicated to getting around FFP rules that are there to protect football clubs from overspending and getting into financial trouble.Heaven forbid we ever get an owner that spends money the club can't afford then leaves us in the brown stuff.

You couldn't make it up-a thread dedicated to getting around FFP rules that are there to protect football clubs from overspending and getting into financial trouble.Heaven forbid we ever get an owner that spends money the club can't afford then leaves us in the brown stuff.

I am as you know, normally, a serious poster. So when I wrote this, this morning, it was meant as a little "Tongue in Cheek".

I have purposely just sat back during the day and watched the total unexpected direction the thread has taken.

Stadium naming rights. 20m to call it after tans company ooh wait isnt that what derby got caught doing.

Not sure you can do that either.

Wez we can't although what Derby did was not regarding naming rights, if I can recall it was selling the ground to another company owned by the owner, and that seems to be breaking the rules, but I think they got away with, how i do not know

Stadium naming rights. 20m to call it after tans company ooh wait isnt that what derby got caught doing.

Not sure you can do that either.

Wez we can't although what Derby did was not regarding naming rights, if I can recall it was selling the ground to another company owned by the owner, and that seems to be breaking the rules, but I think they got away with, how i do not know

Price paid for naming of stadium must be at commercial rate set out by independent assessment... also no one connected to tan can put the money in all this due to man c when Arabs took over and paid rediculas amount for the rights ... with relatives providing the cash.