BULUT NO MOTIVATION

You should be anle to motivate 11 players whoever they are not just your best 11 amd bulut has failed to do this so many times
Yesterday rotherham it should have been easy in the dressing room
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listen to those fans outside they have travelled all this way to support you
now go out there and lets do something for them
and put on an end of season display for them there club there city we are representing them.

There is no need for all this b.ll.cks of tactics etc against the worse team in the league we just need a passionate speech from a manager like old Brian clough forrest manager or warnock to put some pride into them
Which was unbelievably lacking yesterday and i shall be glad to go away for a months holiday to recoup what a shambles and a disgrace the last 2 games have been from cardiff city and all concerned
but well done to all the fans yesterday who had to withstand that humiliation.

I don't believe any on that field yesterday didn't try or were not motivated just there old school manager pulled Buluts pants down and gave him a good championship spanking.

All season we have been very very narrow. The back 4 as is en voguen nowadays is much closer and tighter than our day, our full back if they advance, advance inverted into the middle not to the touchline, leaving acres of space outside the full backs.

Our two sitters are also narrow so the idea is the full back if he is free advance to make 3 sitters.

We leave acres of space out wide and if the team is ballsy enough and leave their wide player high our wide forwards (Ashford & Bowler) are obliged to come back and help out as a second full-backs. Bowler is not great at this and Ashford looks a striker to me.

Yesterday they played three forwards all game with the idea to press and attack and we were flummoxed. We got battered (scoreline) by a team who will barely be mid table L1 next season.

The formula has been out there since Novemeber and we haven't changed at all in that time

I don't believe any on that field yesterday didn't try or were not motivated just there old school manager pulled Buluts pants down and gave him a good championship spanking.

All season we have been very very narrow. The back 4 as is en voguen nowadays is much closer and tighter than our day, our full back if they advance, advance inverted into the middle not to the touchline, leaving acres of space outside the full backs.

Our two sitters are also narrow so the idea is the full back if he is free advance to make 3 sitters.

We leave acres of space out wide and if the team is ballsy enough and leave their wide player high our wide forwards (Ashford & Bowler) are obliged to come back and help out as a second full-backs. Bowler is not great at this and Ashford looks a striker to me.

Yesterday they played three forwards all game with the idea to press and attack and we were flummoxed. We got battered (scoreline) by a team who will barely be mid table L1 next season.

The formula has been out there since Novemeber and we haven't changed at all in that time

I honestly don't think bulut is a motivator in the sense of the 2 managers i described
he just seems a tactition and it fails and his plan b is non existant its left to the players to push on i see no change in shape when we are a few goals down.

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

Putting it just on the manager is wrong. These players are well paid. They have to take some accountability for not giving a feck.

I am old school football fan who found his idol in Warnock...

The players get a pass when we ask them to do things they can't do very well..

I always remember in a safety course that the definition of competence is understanding your boundaries and limitations to complete a task.

Warnock understood this league and the players at your disposal. It is the 7th or 8th highest-ranked league in the world and the players get paid well, but it's different in terms of physicality to the Turkish or Greek leagues. So the slow patient build-up may work there but with the athletic monsters in this league, it struggles to yield results.

Phillips would have been told to deal with the ball rather than passing back to the keeper in a Warnock team, Wintle wouldn't dwell on the ball and it would get to Bowler quicker if this was a Warnock team. Siopis can steal balls all match and when in doubt lob it over the full backs head.....

We don't have the players to do what Bulut wants and would any of his Turkish teams be able to do it in the championship?

Has there ever been a Turkish premier league manager?

I am old school football fan who found his idol in Warnock...

The players get a pass when we ask them to do things they can't do very well..

I always remember in a safety course that the definition of competence is understanding your boundaries and limitations to complete a task.

Warnock understood this league and the players at your disposal. It is the 7th or 8th highest-ranked league in the world and the players get paid well, but it's different in terms of physicality to the Turkish or Greek leagues. So the slow patient build-up may work there but with the athletic monsters in this league, it struggles to yield results.

Phillips would have been told to deal with the ball rather than passing back to the keeper in a Warnock team, Wintle wouldn't dwell on the ball and it would get to Bowler quicker if this was a Warnock team. Siopis can steal balls all match and when in doubt lob it over the full backs head.....

We don't have the players to do what Bulut wants and would any of his Turkish teams be able to do it in the championship?

Has there ever been a Turkish premier league manager?

How many Spanish manager had won the Premier League before Guardiola?

It depends on the person, not their nationality.

I am old school football fan who found his idol in Warnock...

The players get a pass when we ask them to do things they can't do very well..

I always remember in a safety course that the definition of competence is understanding your boundaries and limitations to complete a task.

Warnock understood this league and the players at your disposal. It is the 7th or 8th highest-ranked league in the world and the players get paid well, but it's different in terms of physicality to the Turkish or Greek leagues. So the slow patient build-up may work there but with the athletic monsters in this league, it struggles to yield results.

Phillips would have been told to deal with the ball rather than passing back to the keeper in a Warnock team, Wintle wouldn't dwell on the ball and it would get to Bowler quicker if this was a Warnock team. Siopis can steal balls all match and when in doubt lob it over the full backs head.....

We don't have the players to do what Bulut wants and would any of his Turkish teams be able to do it in the championship?

Has there ever been a Turkish premier league manager?

How many Spanish manager had won the Premier League before Guardiola?

It depends on the person, not their nationality.

I agree it's not nationality but where they learned their trade does matter (IMO). Premier league-winning managers managed in Spain, Italy, Germany, France, England and mighty Scotland

I am not dissing the Turkish or Greek leagues but questioning whether they travel, a bit like Brains beer

https://www.givemesport.com/best-league ... er-ranked/

Championship 6th,
Turkish super lig 12th

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

Or the players know they are getting paid regardless and don't give an F?

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

Or the players know they are getting paid regardless and don't give an F?

Its down to bulut as manager then to make sure that they do give a f.ck thats my point he cannot motivate.

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

Or the players know they are getting paid regardless and don't give an F?

Spot on.

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

Or the players know they are getting paid regardless and don't give an F?

Spot on.

Unfortunately he spent so much time blaming everyone for his defeats, takes no responsibility, whinges he’s hard done by, hangs players out to dry publicly, I imagine it effects the players as he only cares about himself.

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

Or the players know they are getting paid regardless and don't give an F?

Spot on.

Unfortunately he spent so much time blaming everyone for his defeats, takes no responsibility, whinges he’s hard done by, hangs players out to dry publicly, I imagine it effects the players as he only cares about himself.

Simply not true.

Which bits?

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

Or the players know they are getting paid regardless and don't give an F?

Spot on.

Unfortunately he spent so much time blaming everyone for his defeats, takes no responsibility, whinges he’s hard done by, hangs players out to dry publicly, I imagine it effects the players as he only cares about himself.

Simply not true.

Worcester your defending of bulut is admirable but some have there own opinions about bulut fans have to make there own decisions about the manager but blindly making out everybody else is wrong i respect your view that bulut is your man and you want him at the helm
others don't and have put there views as to why.

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

Or the players know they are getting paid regardless and don't give an F?

Spot on.

Unfortunately he spent so much time blaming everyone for his defeats, takes no responsibility, whinges he’s hard done by, hangs players out to dry publicly, I imagine it effects the players as he only cares about himself.

Exactly this Cantonian and a great point well made. I can't recall Bulut EVER putting his hands up after defeat. His stubbornness in team selection, narrow inverted wingers is there for all to see. Even Steve Evans sniffed him out by pressing three up front onto our helpless crab football defence.

We NEVER have any variety in our play , rarely get behind defences , turn them around and create chances. Small wonder we're getting walloped by the likes of Rotherham & Boro at home.

I’ve certainly no confidence in Bulut going forward, with half the squad injured there seemed to me to be no reason whatsoever why he didn’t start Conte and the younger Colwill, he chose not to,which convinces me he never will give youth an opportunity unless he is left with no alternative,he persists with Bowler who is a one trick pony, as an ex full back watching him, he’s just so predictable,he’s a loan player,nothing on the game whatsoever,it’s a no brainer, I confess I don’t know the answer but I’m not persuaded that it’s Bulut.

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

Or the players know they are getting paid regardless and don't give an F?

How come players at other clubs who are also getting paid manage to give a F? Apparently there are 18 clubs in the division whose players are getting paid less than ours yet there are only 12 teams below us in the league.

Maybe just maybe they have managers who are able to get more out of them than our manager?

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

Or the players know they are getting paid regardless and don't give an F?

How come players at other clubs who are also getting paid manage to give a F? Apparently there are 18 clubs in the division whose players are getting paid less than ours yet there are only 12 teams below us in the league.

Maybe just maybe they have managers who are able to get more out of them than our manager?

Because they have a better work ethic?

Not really rocket science. You can twist anything you want to make it fit your agenda but the truth is that the majority of our players don't give a toss.

The players need to take responsibility.

A lot of them were around under Lamouchi, Morison, Hudson etc.

They let those managers down and did the same to Bulut yesterday.

They "all" let us down players and manager .

My point is a lot of these players have done this before with other managers.

That tells me the problem isn’t Bulut, it’s the players.


It’s too simplistic to blame Bulut.

sorry other than WIntle & Romeo that was a Bulut team

Keeper, Goutas, Philips, Siopis, Bowler, Ashford, Diodoo, Tanner (barely a regular), Turnbull are all his with no form of quitting

Now you’ve put it like that, it’s a fair point actually.

Do think us fans have an unhealthy habit of giving the players a bit of a free pass too often though.

So bulut cannot motivate his players then ?

Or the players know they are getting paid regardless and don't give an F?

How come players at other clubs who are also getting paid manage to give a F? Apparently there are 18 clubs in the division whose players are getting paid less than ours yet there are only 12 teams below us in the league.

Maybe just maybe they have managers who are able to get more out of them than our manager?

I made the comment which does not appear to be picked that that if rhe players don' t give a f.ck then its down to the manager to make sure that they do give a f.ck
thats why i said he cannot motivate