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Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Thu May 30, 2024 9:19 pm

Trump found guilty of falsifying business records -

The jury has found former US President Donald Trump GUILTY of falsifying business records to conceal a hush-money payment made to former porn star Stormy Daniels.

He becomes the first former president to be convicted of a crime.

This is for the first count of the 34 charges in total. There are more verdicts to come....

It's official. Former US president Donald Trump is guilty on all 34 counts

Todd Blanche, Trump's lead lawyer, tells Justice Merchan there is "no reason that the court should allow the verdict" because of Michael Cohen's testimony.

He says "perjury was committed" - claiming Cohen lied on the stand.

Justice Merchan then denies their motion to move for an acquittal of charges.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Thu May 30, 2024 9:22 pm

Trump will be sentenced on 11 July -

Trump's team is requesting a date of mid-to-late July for sentencing because of a conflict with another court hearing in Florida.

Prosecutors do not object.

Sentencing will take place on 11 July at 10:00 local time (15:00 BST) and the court will order a probation report for Trump, Merchan says.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Thu May 30, 2024 11:07 pm

Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...

Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...! :clap: :occasion5:

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Thu May 30, 2024 11:14 pm

Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...

Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...! :clap: :occasion5:


I’m pleased that none of the jurors were forced to give in because of the clear bullying tactics of Trump, his lawyers and most of all his son.

Of course the reaction of Trump is to blame Joe Biden for everything (for the record, I don’t think Biden is fit to be President either).


Obviously this doesn’t prevent Trump running to be President and will probably cause his supporters to be even stronger in backing him, but it will also hurt him when it comes to floating voters.

I honestly have no idea how this election over the pond will go.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Thu May 30, 2024 11:16 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...

Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...! :clap: :occasion5:


I’m pleased that none of the jurors were forced to give in because of the clear bullying tactics of Trump, his lawyers and most of all his son.

Of course the reaction of Trump is to blame Joe Biden for everything (for the record, I don’t think Biden is fit to be President either).


Obviously this doesn’t prevent Trump running to be President and will probably cause his supporters to be even stronger in backing him, but it will also hurt him when it comes to floating voters.

I honestly have no idea how this election over the pond will go.

Ned, I couldn't agree with you more...! :ayatollah:

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 5:40 am

Sven wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...

Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...! :clap: :occasion5:


I’m pleased that none of the jurors were forced to give in because of the clear bullying tactics of Trump, his lawyers and most of all his son.

Of course the reaction of Trump is to blame Joe Biden for everything (for the record, I don’t think Biden is fit to be President either).


Obviously this doesn’t prevent Trump running to be President and will probably cause his supporters to be even stronger in backing him, but it will also hurt him when it comes to floating voters.

I honestly have no idea how this election over the pond will go.

Ned, I couldn't agree with you more...! :ayatollah:


Yep totally agree, it’s pretty obvious to everyone (apart from 50% of voting Americans it seems) that Trump is a vile human being. A bully boy, racist, lier and now a convicted criminal

However, amazingly he could still be the next President. It just defies belief

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 6:30 am

Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...

Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...! :clap: :occasion5:

You do realise that the judge change the rules to only 4 jurors needed to convict ,this will 100% be over turned even ,cnn own analysis saying for felony charges 12 jurors need to agree .it's just a show trial that will back fire on the Democrats.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 6:36 am

wez1927 wrote:
Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...

Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...! :clap: :occasion5:

You do realise that the judge change the rules to only 4 jurors needed to convict ,this will 100% be over turned even ,cnn own analysis saying for felony charges 12 jurors need to agree .it's just a show trial that will back fire on the Democrats.


Agree with you Wes.

This gives you total confidence in the system we trust.....NOT.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 6:50 am

Bakedalasker wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...

Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...! :clap: :occasion5:

You do realise that the judge change the rules to only 4 jurors needed to convict ,this will 100% be over turned even ,cnn own analysis saying for felony charges 12 jurors need to agree .it's just a show trial that will back fire on the Democrats.


Agree with you Wes.

This gives you total confidence in the system we trust.....NOT.

It's so political the judges in usa , our system might not be perfect but it's 100% better than the Americans, how can a DA get elected on get trump , put it in a shity district court house in a 5% Republicans area , appoint a judge that is a democrat and has openly admitted he us a donor to the democratic party and his thar own daughter works for the Democrats it stinks tbh , doesn't matter if you like or hare trump this is a political witch hunt but every time they go after him his poll numbers go up .

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 6:59 am

wez1927 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...

Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...! :clap: :occasion5:

You do realise that the judge change the rules to only 4 jurors needed to convict ,this will 100% be over turned even ,cnn own analysis saying for felony charges 12 jurors need to agree .it's just a show trial that will back fire on the Democrats.


Agree with you Wes.

This gives you total confidence in the system we trust.....NOT.

It's so political the judges in usa , our system might not be perfect but it's 100% better than the Americans, how can a DA get elected on get trump , put it in a shity district court house in a 5% Republicans area , appoint a judge that is a democrat and has openly admitted he us a donor to the democratic party and his thar own daughter works for the Democrats it stinks tbh , doesn't matter if you like or hare trump this is a political witch hunt but every time they go after him his poll numbers go up .

Totally agree with all you say Wez, most people in the US & UK don't understand what has happened here. As there are many Trump haters, fuelled by a totally bias media here and over the pond, they fail to see that this case is unprecedented.

Not because Trump was convicted, but because this is a political prosecution on behalf of sleepy Joe Biden, the rules of law have not been followed (I would go far as to say totally flouted) and the prosecution "Star" witness is a convicted perjure, general liar and served time himself. If you trust anyone who has been convicted of lying under oath previously, your law system has a massive problem. :bluebird:

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 7:09 am

My statement on President Trump trial verdict:

AMERICA IS CORRUPT AND SHAMEFUL IN EVERYTHING IT DOES TRUMP PLUS BIDEN WAR CRIME AFTER WAR CRIME / A CONVICTED / A CORRUPT PERSON COULD BE THEIR NEXT PRESIDENT UNBELIEVABLE:





Yesterday was another shameful day in American history. Democrats cheered as they convicted the leader of the opposing party on ridiculous charges, predicated on the testimony of a disbarred, convicted felon. This was a purely political exercise, not a legal one.

BOTH BIDEN & TRUMP ARE CORRUPT / ONE BEHIND THE KILLING & MASSACRES OF INNOCENT PALESTINIANS & THE OTHER A CONVICTED PERSON IN THEIR LAW COURTS COULD BE NEXT PRESIDENT / SHAMEFUL USA.
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Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 9:23 am

It's a circus, all rigged. Doesn't matter who gets in, it's all a distraction from the main show.

Peoples main concern should be how Israel controls the US who in turn controls the West. Any president from either party is just a puppet to give some illusion of democracy, same as all govs.

Biden has just approved the use of US weapons to target Russia in the proxy war caused by US via the Zionists who want to destabilise and keep the war machine going so the profits go straight back to the military industrial complex corps that Blackrock, Vanguard, State St and Goldman Sachs etc own.

The arms industry is worth two trillion a year and war is not only good business, it allows destabilisation to Divide and rule and then control. And the cycle continues.

Blackrock have even set up a fund to rebuild Ukraine worth billions when the war is over, Google it. The recent Moscow terror attack by "ISIL" was a false flag to cause more destablisation too.

Billions again committed to Israel by Biden for exactly the same reasons whose Zionist top 1% and their handlers run the whole show. AIPAC (Israel US lobby group) made sure this bill was passed by paying senators. They are very powerful. Google it, all the info is public.

And with constant wars purely to seize oil and assets, comes mass displacement thus mass migration which is then funneled by NGOs like the UN into Europe and the UK on an industrial scale. The puppet govs who all have their snouts in the EU trough the are pressed to pass woke laws like DEI and promoting mass immigration etc which means if normal folk complain about it, they are classed as "right wing" and could be criminalised. The US southern border is being flooded for the same reason, weaken, dIvide & control and guaranteed votes.

The Zionists have the US as it's bank, arsenal and media node and have all the top positions in US gov depts and big corps including big global corps & investment banks, who in the 90s were know as the "masters of the universe" and for good reason.

Big biz drives the govs, it's a plutocracy via technology. And the Z's are masters of the long game and very effective at it.

And all the govs, biz leaders etc all take their lead from powerful orgs like the WEF. Have a look at their website to see what they'd like the future to look like. Communism via technology and control. It's a perfect system of ownership and control.

Sounds like a dystopian sci fi novel but that's what's happening.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 2:32 pm

I’m no expert on US law but I think you’re wrong on the 4 juror point.

It was made clear throughout coverage prior to the verdict that Trump only needed one juror to say not guilty and that would have been it.

To claim conspiracy when there were 12 jurors unanimously voting guilty is a stretch too far for me. He’s guilty, no doubt if he had been not guilty then he would have been praising the jury.

Apparently you can never beat Trump unless you cheat ……….. according to Trump !!!!!

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 2:46 pm

piledriver64 wrote:I’m no expert on US law but I think you’re wrong on the 4 juror point.

It was made clear throughout coverage prior to the verdict that Trump only needed one juror to say not guilty and that would have been it.

To claim conspiracy when there were 12 jurors unanimously voting guilty is a stretch too far for me. He’s guilty, no doubt if he had been not guilty then he would have been praising the jury.

Apparently you can never beat Trump unless you cheat ……….. according to Trump !!!!!
I think your wrong the judge changed it only 2 days before , I watched cnn on it even they said it was wrong , this will get over turned on appeal .

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 3:33 pm

wez1927 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:I’m no expert on US law but I think you’re wrong on the 4 juror point.

It was made clear throughout coverage prior to the verdict that Trump only needed one juror to say not guilty and that would have been it.

To claim conspiracy when there were 12 jurors unanimously voting guilty is a stretch too far for me. He’s guilty, no doubt if he had been not guilty then he would have been praising the jury.

Apparently you can never beat Trump unless you cheat ……….. according to Trump !!!!!
I think your wrong the judge changed it only 2 days before , I watched cnn on it even they said it was wrong , this will get over turned on appeal .


If that was the case how is it that Trump hasn't even mentioned it? Or is that all part of this conspiracy that keeps getting mentioned. I think it might well get overturned on appeal but not for this fairytale that I haven't heard anyone say except you wez, do you have a link to cnn saying it?

It was a unanimous verdict on all counts, no ifs, ands, buts or made up fairytales.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 3:40 pm

This is what the judge said
"“Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict,” Roberts wrote. “4 could agree on one crime, 4 on a different one, and the other 4 on another. He said he would treat 4-4-4 as a unanimous verdict.”

[b]In fact, all 12 jurors had to agree to find Trump guilty to convict him of the felonies with which he was charged[/b]: 34 counts of falsifying business records. The judge in the case, Juan M. Merchan, repeatedly made this clear, saying in his instructions to the jury: “[b]Each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous.” [/b]

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 4:04 pm

Igovernor wrote:This is what the judge said
"“Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict,” Roberts wrote. “4 could agree on one crime, 4 on a different one, and the other 4 on another. He said he would treat 4-4-4 as a unanimous verdict.”

[b]In fact, all 12 jurors had to agree to find Trump guilty to convict him of the felonies with which he was charged[/b]: 34 counts of falsifying business records. The judge in the case, Juan M. Merchan, repeatedly made this clear, saying in his instructions to the jury: “[b]Each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous.” [/b]

Which one are you saying is true ? , for a felony 12 have to agree ? , lawyers on a number of outlets saying the judge changed it from the norm ? .

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 4:11 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Igovernor wrote:This is what the judge said
"“Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict,” Roberts wrote. “4 could agree on one crime, 4 on a different one, and the other 4 on another. He said he would treat 4-4-4 as a unanimous verdict.”

[b]In fact, all 12 jurors had to agree to find Trump guilty to convict him of the felonies with which he was charged[/b]: 34 counts of falsifying business records. The judge in the case, Juan M. Merchan, repeatedly made this clear, saying in his instructions to the jury: “[b]Each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous.” [/b]

Which one are you saying is true ? , for a felony 12 have to agree ? , lawyers on a number of outlets saying the judge changed it from the norm ? .


I'm confused as well. But if the first one is correct then how is Trump not making a song & dance about it?

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 4:48 pm

Welshman in CA wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Igovernor wrote:This is what the judge said
"“Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict,” Roberts wrote. “4 could agree on one crime, 4 on a different one, and the other 4 on another. He said he would treat 4-4-4 as a unanimous verdict.”

[b]In fact, all 12 jurors had to agree to find Trump guilty to convict him of the felonies with which he was charged[/b]: 34 counts of falsifying business records. The judge in the case, Juan M. Merchan, repeatedly made this clear, saying in his instructions to the jury: “[b]Each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous.” [/b]

Which one are you saying is true ? , for a felony 12 have to agree ? , lawyers on a number of outlets saying the judge changed it from the norm ? .


I'm confused as well. But if the first one is correct then how is Trump not making a song & dance about it?

He is making a song and dance about it all .he's appealing

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 5:12 pm

Donald Trump confirmed he will appeal against his historic conviction in his New York trial in remarks at Trump Tower
Trump falsely repeated claims his prosecution was politically orchestrated and that his trial was "rigged

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 5:45 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Welshman in CA wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Igovernor wrote:This is what the judge said
"“Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict,” Roberts wrote. “4 could agree on one crime, 4 on a different one, and the other 4 on another. He said he would treat 4-4-4 as a unanimous verdict.”

[b]In fact, all 12 jurors had to agree to find Trump guilty to convict him of the felonies with which he was charged[/b]: 34 counts of falsifying business records. The judge in the case, Juan M. Merchan, repeatedly made this clear, saying in his instructions to the jury: “[b]Each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous.” [/b]

Which one are you saying is true ? , for a felony 12 have to agree ? , lawyers on a number of outlets saying the judge changed it from the norm ? .


I'm confused as well. But if the first one is correct then how is Trump not making a song & dance about it?

He is making a song and dance about it all .he's appealing


He was always going to appeal but the only place I've seen or heard anything about this 4 person thing is here, why has Trump not mentioned it once when he kicks up a fuss & blames everything else.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 6:19 pm

oohahhPaulMillar wrote:
Sven wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...

Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...! :clap: :occasion5:


I’m pleased that none of the jurors were forced to give in because of the clear bullying tactics of Trump, his lawyers and most of all his son.

Of course the reaction of Trump is to blame Joe Biden for everything (for the record, I don’t think Biden is fit to be President either).


Obviously this doesn’t prevent Trump running to be President and will probably cause his supporters to be even stronger in backing him, but it will also hurt him when it comes to floating voters.

I honestly have no idea how this election over the pond will go.

Ned, I couldn't agree with you more...! :ayatollah:


Yep totally agree, it’s pretty obvious to everyone (apart from 50% of voting Americans it seems) that Trump is a vile human being. A bully boy, racist, lier and now a convicted criminal

However, amazingly he could still be the next President. It just defies belief

Don’t know about racist but the rest is accurate.
Biden is a war monger who like most politicians is in the pocket of Vanguard, Blackrock etc. He’s corrupt and used his position to force Twitter and other SM sites to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story.
In Trumps favour his stand up is excellent

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 6:29 pm

GrangeEndStar wrote:It's a circus, all rigged. Doesn't matter who gets in, it's all a distraction from the main show.

Peoples main concern should be how Israel controls the US who in turn controls the West. Any president from either party is just a puppet to give some illusion of democracy, same as all govs.

Biden has just approved the use of US weapons to target Russia in the proxy war caused by US via the Zionists who want to destabilise and keep the war machine going so the profits go straight back to the military industrial complex corps that Blackrock, Vanguard, State St and Goldman Sachs etc own.

The arms industry is worth two trillion a year and war is not only good business, it allows destabilisation to Divide and rule and then control. And the cycle continues.

Blackrock have even set up a fund to rebuild Ukraine worth billions when the war is over, Google it. The recent Moscow terror attack by "ISIL" was a false flag to cause more destablisation too.

Billions again committed to Israel by Biden for exactly the same reasons whose Zionist top 1% and their handlers run the whole show. AIPAC (Israel US lobby group) made sure this bill was passed by paying senators. They are very powerful. Google it, all the info is public.

And with constant wars purely to seize oil and assets, comes mass displacement thus mass migration which is then funneled by NGOs like the UN into Europe and the UK on an industrial scale. The puppet govs who all have their snouts in the EU trough the are pressed to pass woke laws like DEI and promoting mass immigration etc which means if normal folk complain about it, they are classed as "right wing" and could be criminalised. The US southern border is being flooded for the same reason, weaken, dIvide & control and guaranteed votes.

The Zionists have the US as it's bank, arsenal and media node and have all the top positions in US gov depts and big corps including big global corps & investment banks, who in the 90s were know as the "masters of the universe" and for good reason.

Big biz drives the govs, it's a plutocracy via technology. And the Z's are masters of the long game and very effective at it.

And all the govs, biz leaders etc all take their lead from powerful orgs like the WEF. Have a look at their website to see what they'd like the future to look like. Communism via technology and control. It's a perfect system of ownership and control.

Sounds like a dystopian sci fi novel but that's what's happening.
sadly mate you’re pissin in the wind, people just don’t get it. They should watch Zelenskyy’s groveling thankyou video to Blackrock and Morgan Stanley, who’re going to rebuild Ukraine kerrrrching. Polish farmers are already blockading the border to stop (American owned) grain flooding the market and depressing prices. The games rigged.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 6:37 pm

Jock wrote:
GrangeEndStar wrote:It's a circus, all rigged. Doesn't matter who gets in, it's all a distraction from the main show.

Peoples main concern should be how Israel controls the US who in turn controls the West. Any president from either party is just a puppet to give some illusion of democracy, same as all govs.

Biden has just approved the use of US weapons to target Russia in the proxy war caused by US via the Zionists who want to destabilise and keep the war machine going so the profits go straight back to the military industrial complex corps that Blackrock, Vanguard, State St and Goldman Sachs etc own.

The arms industry is worth two trillion a year and war is not only good business, it allows destabilisation to Divide and rule and then control. And the cycle continues.

Blackrock have even set up a fund to rebuild Ukraine worth billions when the war is over, Google it. The recent Moscow terror attack by "ISIL" was a false flag to cause more destablisation too.

Billions again committed to Israel by Biden for exactly the same reasons whose Zionist top 1% and their handlers run the whole show. AIPAC (Israel US lobby group) made sure this bill was passed by paying senators. They are very powerful. Google it, all the info is public.

And with constant wars purely to seize oil and assets, comes mass displacement thus mass migration which is then funneled by NGOs like the UN into Europe and the UK on an industrial scale. The puppet govs who all have their snouts in the EU trough the are pressed to pass woke laws like DEI and promoting mass immigration etc which means if normal folk complain about it, they are classed as "right wing" and could be criminalised. The US southern border is being flooded for the same reason, weaken, dIvide & control and guaranteed votes.

The Zionists have the US as it's bank, arsenal and media node and have all the top positions in US gov depts and big corps including big global corps & investment banks, who in the 90s were know as the "masters of the universe" and for good reason.

Big biz drives the govs, it's a plutocracy via technology. And the Z's are masters of the long game and very effective at it.

And all the govs, biz leaders etc all take their lead from powerful orgs like the WEF. Have a look at their website to see what they'd like the future to look like. Communism via technology and control. It's a perfect system of ownership and control.

Sounds like a dystopian sci fi novel but that's what's happening.
sadly mate you’re pissin in the wind, people just don’t get it. They should watch Zelenskyy’s groveling thankyou video to Blackrock and Morgan Stanley, who’re going to rebuild Ukraine kerrrrching. Polish farmers are already blockading the border to stop (American owned) grain flooding the market and depressing prices. The games rigged.


You're both correct. And with AI only in it's infancy it won't be long before all these governments can make misinformation and plausible deniability completely undetectable to the average Joe on his phone or Laptop.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 8:07 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...

Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...! :clap: :occasion5:

You do realise that the judge change the rules to only 4 jurors needed to convict ,this will 100% be over turned even ,cnn own analysis saying for felony charges 12 jurors need to agree .it's just a show trial that will back fire on the Democrats.

Wez, I watched this very partisan trial with interest and always felt he was 'guilty as charged' but a 'hung jury' was most likely...

The jurors were unanimous in their conviction on all 34 counts. Indeed, the Trump legal team asked for each and every one to confirm their vote to convict, which they did...

Or maybe that's another 'Biden-orchestrated' lie trumpedd up by, uhm, Trump...

The chances of an overturn are next to nothing, as is a successful appeal; mainly because the Trumpeteers have nothing new to produce and precedence on such matters in US Law shows this to be true on such charges...

Trump, for me, has good and bad points but he is an extreme narcissistic and wouldn't know the truth if it kicked him in the teeth...

I'm not saying Biden is worthy of another Presidency either; but the American people now have a clear choice of electing a convicted 'felon' or the 'sitting tenant' at the White House...

Not a great choice; but better to stick with what they have rather than allow the narcissist to have 4-year power trip where is main motive will be revenge and persecution...

Just my opinion; but I watch CNN and other partisan channels, too..! :ayatollah:

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Fri May 31, 2024 10:25 pm

US President Joe Biden called Donald Trump's comments about his "rigged" conviction "reckless" during his first public remarks about the guilty verdict.

Mr Biden defended the justice system after the former US president was convicted on Thursday in New York on 34 counts of falsifying business records.

His comments came on Friday afternoon at the top of a news conference where he discussed the Middle East and a new Israeli proposal for Gaza.

"The American principle that no one is above the law was reaffirmed," he said of Thursday's verdict.

Mr Biden went on to say that Trump was given "every opportunity" to defend himself and be heard by a jury of 12 American citizens.

"Now, he'll be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal that decision just like everyone else has that opportunity," he said. "That's how the American system of justice works."

"And it's reckless. It's dangerous. It's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict," he added.

Mr Biden defended the justice system calling it the "cornerstone of America".

"The justice system should be respected and we should never allow anyone to tear it down. It's as simple as that. That's America. That's who we are," he said.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Sat Jun 01, 2024 6:09 am

Jock wrote:
GrangeEndStar wrote:It's a circus, all rigged. Doesn't matter who gets in, it's all a distraction from the main show.

Peoples main concern should be how Israel controls the US who in turn controls the West. Any president from either party is just a puppet to give some illusion of democracy, same as all govs.

Biden has just approved the use of US weapons to target Russia in the proxy war caused by US via the Zionists who want to destabilise and keep the war machine going so the profits go straight back to the military industrial complex corps that Blackrock, Vanguard, State St and Goldman Sachs etc own.

The arms industry is worth two trillion a year and war is not only good business, it allows destabilisation to Divide and rule and then control. And the cycle continues.

Blackrock have even set up a fund to rebuild Ukraine worth billions when the war is over, Google it. The recent Moscow terror attack by "ISIL" was a false flag to cause more destablisation too.

Billions again committed to Israel by Biden for exactly the same reasons whose Zionist top 1% and their handlers run the whole show. AIPAC (Israel US lobby group) made sure this bill was passed by paying senators. They are very powerful. Google it, all the info is public.

And with constant wars purely to seize oil and assets, comes mass displacement thus mass migration which is then funneled by NGOs like the UN into Europe and the UK on an industrial scale. The puppet govs who all have their snouts in the EU trough the are pressed to pass woke laws like DEI and promoting mass immigration etc which means if normal folk complain about it, they are classed as "right wing" and could be criminalised. The US southern border is being flooded for the same reason, weaken, dIvide & control and guaranteed votes.

The Zionists have the US as it's bank, arsenal and media node and have all the top positions in US gov depts and big corps including big global corps & investment banks, who in the 90s were know as the "masters of the universe" and for good reason.

Big biz drives the govs, it's a plutocracy via technology. And the Z's are masters of the long game and very effective at it.

And all the govs, biz leaders etc all take their lead from powerful orgs like the WEF. Have a look at their website to see what they'd like the future to look like. Communism via technology and control. It's a perfect system of ownership and control.

Sounds like a dystopian sci fi novel but that's what's happening.
sadly mate you’re pissin in the wind, people just don’t get it. They should watch Zelenskyy’s groveling thankyou video to Blackrock and Morgan Stanley, who’re going to rebuild Ukraine kerrrrching. Polish farmers are already blockading the border to stop (American owned) grain flooding the market and depressing prices. The games rigged.


Jock wrote:
GrangeEndStar wrote:It's a circus, all rigged. Doesn't matter who gets in, it's all a distraction from the main show.

Peoples main concern should be how Israel controls the US who in turn controls the West. Any president from either party is just a puppet to give some illusion of democracy, same as all govs.

Biden has just approved the use of US weapons to target Russia in the proxy war caused by US via the Zionists who want to destabilise and keep the war machine going so the profits go straight back to the military industrial complex corps that Blackrock, Vanguard, State St and Goldman Sachs etc own.

The arms industry is worth two trillion a year and war is not only good business, it allows destabilisation to Divide and rule and then control. And the cycle continues.

Blackrock have even set up a fund to rebuild Ukraine worth billions when the war is over, Google it. The recent Moscow terror attack by "ISIL" was a false flag to cause more destablisation too.

Billions again committed to Israel by Biden for exactly the same reasons whose Zionist top 1% and their handlers run the whole show. AIPAC (Israel US lobby group) made sure this bill was passed by paying senators. They are very powerful. Google it, all the info is public.

And with constant wars purely to seize oil and assets, comes mass displacement thus mass migration which is then funneled by NGOs like the UN into Europe and the UK on an industrial scale. The puppet govs who all have their snouts in the EU trough the are pressed to pass woke laws like DEI and promoting mass immigration etc which means if normal folk complain about it, they are classed as "right wing" and could be criminalised. The US southern border is being flooded for the same reason, weaken, dIvide & control and guaranteed votes.

The Zionists have the US as it's bank, arsenal and media node and have all the top positions in US gov depts and big corps including big global corps & investment banks, who in the 90s were know as the "masters of the universe" and for good reason.

Big biz drives the govs, it's a plutocracy via technology. And the Z's are masters of the long game and very effective at it.

And all the govs, biz leaders etc all take their lead from powerful orgs like the WEF. Have a look at their website to see what they'd like the future to look like. Communism via technology and control. It's a perfect system of ownership and control.

Sounds like a dystopian sci fi novel but that's what's happening.
sadly mate you’re pissin in the wind, people just don’t get it. They should watch Zelenskyy’s groveling thankyou video to Blackrock and Morgan Stanley, who’re going to rebuild Ukraine kerrrrching. Polish farmers are already blockading the border to stop (American owned) grain flooding the market and depressing prices. The games rigged.


I know exactly what you mean Jock but there's an increasing number of people now discussing it as the facts are in plain sight but the majority still think that all of these global geopolitical events are just happening in isolation and are not linked let alone planned.

I worked in investment banking for many years and could see the sheer power the big institutions wielded and how they, not governments, were pulling all the strings. But I really only got curious about what was really going on during Covid as the fundamental concept of a global lockdown just seemed unreal. I mean, locking down a town or city would have been unbelievable but to do it on a global scale just seemed plain odd and especially as once Covid was deemed "over", the world's press just stopped talking about it overnight.

And the as soon as Covid "ends", the Ukrainian war starts, which again, was a big red flag for me because it lets you be honest, most people including me wouldn't have been able to put a pin in a map to identify where it is. Ans as soon as it started to develope, the media talk was of a potential WW3. Ams then the "energy crisis" happens where prices triple e and is blamed on the war. Which it's not as the market is rigged, I used to work in the energy markets too and it's a cartel and knew the blame on the war was BS.

Ams then we have mass immigration into Europe on an industrial scale that can only be possibly happening if it was orchestrated and allowed to happen, which it is. And the people I speak with far and wide all agree that all of the above feel like it is being orchestrated.

And then we have the awful Gaza situation which once again ultimately sows fear as that adds to the talk of a potential WW3 to create even more anxiety.

Most find it hard to believe but it was Covid and the global lockdown that really got me curious about what was going on geopolitically ans when you start to make the links ans stand back, you the begin to see the forest, not the individual trees.

A lot gets discusses on alt media which is fast outstripping legacy media as they are owned and won't run with these stories are they are ultimately owned by many of the global asset managers that we have mentioned above, and that's a big part of it too, but more people are talking about it.

And a big part of that is what's happening in Palestine. Bibi and his handlers have over reached this time and the world is thinking why is this still being allowed to happen and televised in almost real time and nobody is taking any practical action to stop it? It's shone a torch on the whole region and despite all the hans wringing by govs, it continues daily and the West continues to supply arms.

I won't write more as it's a subject within itself, perhaps the most important subject in living memory really and everyone should be aware of as it's increasingly obvious what's happening ans these events ade not happening in isolation.

The final thing I'll say is how quickly Bibi summoned Elon Musk when he was slightly critical of them and he hopped on on plane immediately for a staged global press junket as he'd been warned that his global business would be threatened if he continued his comments.

I'm surprised X hasn't been fully compromised yet as it's the main platform where people are actively discussing these things but I think that will change to at some point or at least will start to be curated and I'm suspicious it's being monitored to assess what people are discussing anyway. Other platforms will pop up if it does happen of course but as of today, it's the only main one that is covering what is really happening in Gaza and the wider ME and beyond.

I won't post more as its worthy of a dedicated forum of it's own but a starting point for the uninitiated would be Benjamin Freedmans 1961 speech in Washington as a starting point.

It's worth watching as s a jumping off point and read my replies above. The US election is just a smokescreen as who ever gets elected, it's just two different cheeks of the same arsehole. And purely a distraction so folks don't see whose running the whole show.

Here's the vid and there are transcripts available if you prefer just to read so I'll also include a link below. And remember, this is 1961.

People really need to question more as to what is happening is part of a very long game and is by design and is gathering pace. But Bibi has shine a light on it and more people are now joining the dots, or at least I hope so as it all does seem a bit unreal really.



https://archive.org/details/transcript- ... 4/mode/1up

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Sat Jun 01, 2024 6:22 am

The embedded YT doesn't seem to work but here's a link if you want to watch the speech instead of reading it.

https://youtu.be/gJCzniP3BC0?si=iijuYZgst8_HVez3

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Sat Jun 01, 2024 8:31 am

TopCat CCFC wrote:US President Joe Biden called Donald Trump's comments about his "rigged" conviction "reckless" during his first public remarks about the guilty verdict.

Mr Biden defended the justice system after the former US president was convicted on Thursday in New York on 34 counts of falsifying business records.

His comments came on Friday afternoon at the top of a news conference where he discussed the Middle East and a new Israeli proposal for Gaza.

"The American principle that no one is above the law was reaffirmed," he said of Thursday's verdict.

Mr Biden went on to say that Trump was given "every opportunity" to defend himself and be heard by a jury of 12 American citizens.

"Now, he'll be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal that decision just like everyone else has that opportunity," he said. "That's how the American system of justice works."

"And it's reckless. It's dangerous. It's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict," he added.

Mr Biden defended the justice system calling it the "cornerstone of America".

"The justice system should be respected and we should never allow anyone to tear it down. It's as simple as that. That's
That's who we are," he said.

Vomit inducing slabberings of a corrupt career politician. If the justice system really was the cornerstone of America both Biden and his crack smoking, stripper impregnating son would be in jail.

Re: Trump found guilty of falsifying business records

Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:23 am

wez1927 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:I’m no expert on US law but I think you’re wrong on the 4 juror point.

It was made clear throughout coverage prior to the verdict that Trump only needed one juror to say not guilty and that would have been it.

To claim conspiracy when there were 12 jurors unanimously voting guilty is a stretch too far for me. He’s guilty, no doubt if he had been not guilty then he would have been praising the jury.

Apparently you can never beat Trump unless you cheat ……….. according to Trump !!!!!
I think your wrong the judge changed it only 2 days before , I watched cnn on it even they said it was wrong , this will get over turned on appeal .


I’m happy to stand corrected but there is nothing about this in what I can find.

A judge can accept a majority verdict if there is no unanimous decision but he didn’t even have to do that in this case from what I can find.

Trump will appeal because he never thinks he’s wrong but I’m not sure the point you make is going to be able to be used as part of that appeal.