Thu May 30, 2024 9:19 pm
Thu May 30, 2024 9:22 pm
Thu May 30, 2024 11:07 pm
Thu May 30, 2024 11:14 pm
Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...
Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...!
Thu May 30, 2024 11:16 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...
Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...!
I’m pleased that none of the jurors were forced to give in because of the clear bullying tactics of Trump, his lawyers and most of all his son.
Of course the reaction of Trump is to blame Joe Biden for everything (for the record, I don’t think Biden is fit to be President either).
Obviously this doesn’t prevent Trump running to be President and will probably cause his supporters to be even stronger in backing him, but it will also hurt him when it comes to floating voters.
I honestly have no idea how this election over the pond will go.
Fri May 31, 2024 5:40 am
Sven wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...
Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...!
I’m pleased that none of the jurors were forced to give in because of the clear bullying tactics of Trump, his lawyers and most of all his son.
Of course the reaction of Trump is to blame Joe Biden for everything (for the record, I don’t think Biden is fit to be President either).
Obviously this doesn’t prevent Trump running to be President and will probably cause his supporters to be even stronger in backing him, but it will also hurt him when it comes to floating voters.
I honestly have no idea how this election over the pond will go.
Ned, I couldn't agree with you more...!
Fri May 31, 2024 6:30 am
Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...
Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...!
Fri May 31, 2024 6:36 am
wez1927 wrote:Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...
Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...!
You do realise that the judge change the rules to only 4 jurors needed to convict ,this will 100% be over turned even ,cnn own analysis saying for felony charges 12 jurors need to agree .it's just a show trial that will back fire on the Democrats.
Fri May 31, 2024 6:50 am
Bakedalasker wrote:wez1927 wrote:Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...
Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...!
You do realise that the judge change the rules to only 4 jurors needed to convict ,this will 100% be over turned even ,cnn own analysis saying for felony charges 12 jurors need to agree .it's just a show trial that will back fire on the Democrats.
Agree with you Wes.
This gives you total confidence in the system we trust.....NOT.
Fri May 31, 2024 6:59 am
wez1927 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:wez1927 wrote:Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...
Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...!
You do realise that the judge change the rules to only 4 jurors needed to convict ,this will 100% be over turned even ,cnn own analysis saying for felony charges 12 jurors need to agree .it's just a show trial that will back fire on the Democrats.
Agree with you Wes.
This gives you total confidence in the system we trust.....NOT.
It's so political the judges in usa , our system might not be perfect but it's 100% better than the Americans, how can a DA get elected on get trump , put it in a shity district court house in a 5% Republicans area , appoint a judge that is a democrat and has openly admitted he us a donor to the democratic party and his thar own daughter works for the Democrats it stinks tbh , doesn't matter if you like or hare trump this is a political witch hunt but every time they go after him his poll numbers go up .
Fri May 31, 2024 7:09 am
Fri May 31, 2024 9:23 am
Fri May 31, 2024 2:32 pm
Fri May 31, 2024 2:46 pm
I think your wrong the judge changed it only 2 days before , I watched cnn on it even they said it was wrong , this will get over turned on appeal .piledriver64 wrote:I’m no expert on US law but I think you’re wrong on the 4 juror point.
It was made clear throughout coverage prior to the verdict that Trump only needed one juror to say not guilty and that would have been it.
To claim conspiracy when there were 12 jurors unanimously voting guilty is a stretch too far for me. He’s guilty, no doubt if he had been not guilty then he would have been praising the jury.
Apparently you can never beat Trump unless you cheat ……….. according to Trump !!!!!
Fri May 31, 2024 3:33 pm
wez1927 wrote:I think your wrong the judge changed it only 2 days before , I watched cnn on it even they said it was wrong , this will get over turned on appeal .piledriver64 wrote:I’m no expert on US law but I think you’re wrong on the 4 juror point.
It was made clear throughout coverage prior to the verdict that Trump only needed one juror to say not guilty and that would have been it.
To claim conspiracy when there were 12 jurors unanimously voting guilty is a stretch too far for me. He’s guilty, no doubt if he had been not guilty then he would have been praising the jury.
Apparently you can never beat Trump unless you cheat ……….. according to Trump !!!!!
Fri May 31, 2024 3:40 pm
Fri May 31, 2024 4:04 pm
Igovernor wrote:This is what the judge said
"“Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict,” Roberts wrote. “4 could agree on one crime, 4 on a different one, and the other 4 on another. He said he would treat 4-4-4 as a unanimous verdict.”
[b]In fact, all 12 jurors had to agree to find Trump guilty to convict him of the felonies with which he was charged[/b]: 34 counts of falsifying business records. The judge in the case, Juan M. Merchan, repeatedly made this clear, saying in his instructions to the jury: “[b]Each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous.” [/b]
Fri May 31, 2024 4:11 pm
wez1927 wrote:Igovernor wrote:This is what the judge said
"“Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict,” Roberts wrote. “4 could agree on one crime, 4 on a different one, and the other 4 on another. He said he would treat 4-4-4 as a unanimous verdict.”
[b]In fact, all 12 jurors had to agree to find Trump guilty to convict him of the felonies with which he was charged[/b]: 34 counts of falsifying business records. The judge in the case, Juan M. Merchan, repeatedly made this clear, saying in his instructions to the jury: “[b]Each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous.” [/b]
Which one are you saying is true ? , for a felony 12 have to agree ? , lawyers on a number of outlets saying the judge changed it from the norm ? .
Fri May 31, 2024 4:48 pm
Welshman in CA wrote:wez1927 wrote:Igovernor wrote:This is what the judge said
"“Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict,” Roberts wrote. “4 could agree on one crime, 4 on a different one, and the other 4 on another. He said he would treat 4-4-4 as a unanimous verdict.”
[b]In fact, all 12 jurors had to agree to find Trump guilty to convict him of the felonies with which he was charged[/b]: 34 counts of falsifying business records. The judge in the case, Juan M. Merchan, repeatedly made this clear, saying in his instructions to the jury: “[b]Each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous.” [/b]
Which one are you saying is true ? , for a felony 12 have to agree ? , lawyers on a number of outlets saying the judge changed it from the norm ? .
I'm confused as well. But if the first one is correct then how is Trump not making a song & dance about it?
Fri May 31, 2024 5:12 pm
Fri May 31, 2024 5:45 pm
wez1927 wrote:Welshman in CA wrote:wez1927 wrote:Igovernor wrote:This is what the judge said
"“Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict,” Roberts wrote. “4 could agree on one crime, 4 on a different one, and the other 4 on another. He said he would treat 4-4-4 as a unanimous verdict.”
[b]In fact, all 12 jurors had to agree to find Trump guilty to convict him of the felonies with which he was charged[/b]: 34 counts of falsifying business records. The judge in the case, Juan M. Merchan, repeatedly made this clear, saying in his instructions to the jury: “[b]Each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous.” [/b]
Which one are you saying is true ? , for a felony 12 have to agree ? , lawyers on a number of outlets saying the judge changed it from the norm ? .
I'm confused as well. But if the first one is correct then how is Trump not making a song & dance about it?
He is making a song and dance about it all .he's appealing
Fri May 31, 2024 6:19 pm
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Sven wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...
Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...!
I’m pleased that none of the jurors were forced to give in because of the clear bullying tactics of Trump, his lawyers and most of all his son.
Of course the reaction of Trump is to blame Joe Biden for everything (for the record, I don’t think Biden is fit to be President either).
Obviously this doesn’t prevent Trump running to be President and will probably cause his supporters to be even stronger in backing him, but it will also hurt him when it comes to floating voters.
I honestly have no idea how this election over the pond will go.
Ned, I couldn't agree with you more...!
Yep totally agree, it’s pretty obvious to everyone (apart from 50% of voting Americans it seems) that Trump is a vile human being. A bully boy, racist, lier and now a convicted criminal
However, amazingly he could still be the next President. It just defies belief
Fri May 31, 2024 6:29 pm
sadly mate you’re pissin in the wind, people just don’t get it. They should watch Zelenskyy’s groveling thankyou video to Blackrock and Morgan Stanley, who’re going to rebuild Ukraine kerrrrching. Polish farmers are already blockading the border to stop (American owned) grain flooding the market and depressing prices. The games rigged.GrangeEndStar wrote:It's a circus, all rigged. Doesn't matter who gets in, it's all a distraction from the main show.
Peoples main concern should be how Israel controls the US who in turn controls the West. Any president from either party is just a puppet to give some illusion of democracy, same as all govs.
Biden has just approved the use of US weapons to target Russia in the proxy war caused by US via the Zionists who want to destabilise and keep the war machine going so the profits go straight back to the military industrial complex corps that Blackrock, Vanguard, State St and Goldman Sachs etc own.
The arms industry is worth two trillion a year and war is not only good business, it allows destabilisation to Divide and rule and then control. And the cycle continues.
Blackrock have even set up a fund to rebuild Ukraine worth billions when the war is over, Google it. The recent Moscow terror attack by "ISIL" was a false flag to cause more destablisation too.
Billions again committed to Israel by Biden for exactly the same reasons whose Zionist top 1% and their handlers run the whole show. AIPAC (Israel US lobby group) made sure this bill was passed by paying senators. They are very powerful. Google it, all the info is public.
And with constant wars purely to seize oil and assets, comes mass displacement thus mass migration which is then funneled by NGOs like the UN into Europe and the UK on an industrial scale. The puppet govs who all have their snouts in the EU trough the are pressed to pass woke laws like DEI and promoting mass immigration etc which means if normal folk complain about it, they are classed as "right wing" and could be criminalised. The US southern border is being flooded for the same reason, weaken, dIvide & control and guaranteed votes.
The Zionists have the US as it's bank, arsenal and media node and have all the top positions in US gov depts and big corps including big global corps & investment banks, who in the 90s were know as the "masters of the universe" and for good reason.
Big biz drives the govs, it's a plutocracy via technology. And the Z's are masters of the long game and very effective at it.
And all the govs, biz leaders etc all take their lead from powerful orgs like the WEF. Have a look at their website to see what they'd like the future to look like. Communism via technology and control. It's a perfect system of ownership and control.
Sounds like a dystopian sci fi novel but that's what's happening.
Fri May 31, 2024 6:37 pm
Jock wrote:sadly mate you’re pissin in the wind, people just don’t get it. They should watch Zelenskyy’s groveling thankyou video to Blackrock and Morgan Stanley, who’re going to rebuild Ukraine kerrrrching. Polish farmers are already blockading the border to stop (American owned) grain flooding the market and depressing prices. The games rigged.GrangeEndStar wrote:It's a circus, all rigged. Doesn't matter who gets in, it's all a distraction from the main show.
Peoples main concern should be how Israel controls the US who in turn controls the West. Any president from either party is just a puppet to give some illusion of democracy, same as all govs.
Biden has just approved the use of US weapons to target Russia in the proxy war caused by US via the Zionists who want to destabilise and keep the war machine going so the profits go straight back to the military industrial complex corps that Blackrock, Vanguard, State St and Goldman Sachs etc own.
The arms industry is worth two trillion a year and war is not only good business, it allows destabilisation to Divide and rule and then control. And the cycle continues.
Blackrock have even set up a fund to rebuild Ukraine worth billions when the war is over, Google it. The recent Moscow terror attack by "ISIL" was a false flag to cause more destablisation too.
Billions again committed to Israel by Biden for exactly the same reasons whose Zionist top 1% and their handlers run the whole show. AIPAC (Israel US lobby group) made sure this bill was passed by paying senators. They are very powerful. Google it, all the info is public.
And with constant wars purely to seize oil and assets, comes mass displacement thus mass migration which is then funneled by NGOs like the UN into Europe and the UK on an industrial scale. The puppet govs who all have their snouts in the EU trough the are pressed to pass woke laws like DEI and promoting mass immigration etc which means if normal folk complain about it, they are classed as "right wing" and could be criminalised. The US southern border is being flooded for the same reason, weaken, dIvide & control and guaranteed votes.
The Zionists have the US as it's bank, arsenal and media node and have all the top positions in US gov depts and big corps including big global corps & investment banks, who in the 90s were know as the "masters of the universe" and for good reason.
Big biz drives the govs, it's a plutocracy via technology. And the Z's are masters of the long game and very effective at it.
And all the govs, biz leaders etc all take their lead from powerful orgs like the WEF. Have a look at their website to see what they'd like the future to look like. Communism via technology and control. It's a perfect system of ownership and control.
Sounds like a dystopian sci fi novel but that's what's happening.
Fri May 31, 2024 8:07 pm
wez1927 wrote:Sven wrote:Right verdict but I honestly think one of the jurors was going to fold...
Well done, New Yoik; that's one decision money couldn't buy...!
You do realise that the judge change the rules to only 4 jurors needed to convict ,this will 100% be over turned even ,cnn own analysis saying for felony charges 12 jurors need to agree .it's just a show trial that will back fire on the Democrats.
Fri May 31, 2024 10:25 pm
Sat Jun 01, 2024 6:09 am
Jock wrote:sadly mate you’re pissin in the wind, people just don’t get it. They should watch Zelenskyy’s groveling thankyou video to Blackrock and Morgan Stanley, who’re going to rebuild Ukraine kerrrrching. Polish farmers are already blockading the border to stop (American owned) grain flooding the market and depressing prices. The games rigged.GrangeEndStar wrote:It's a circus, all rigged. Doesn't matter who gets in, it's all a distraction from the main show.
Peoples main concern should be how Israel controls the US who in turn controls the West. Any president from either party is just a puppet to give some illusion of democracy, same as all govs.
Biden has just approved the use of US weapons to target Russia in the proxy war caused by US via the Zionists who want to destabilise and keep the war machine going so the profits go straight back to the military industrial complex corps that Blackrock, Vanguard, State St and Goldman Sachs etc own.
The arms industry is worth two trillion a year and war is not only good business, it allows destabilisation to Divide and rule and then control. And the cycle continues.
Blackrock have even set up a fund to rebuild Ukraine worth billions when the war is over, Google it. The recent Moscow terror attack by "ISIL" was a false flag to cause more destablisation too.
Billions again committed to Israel by Biden for exactly the same reasons whose Zionist top 1% and their handlers run the whole show. AIPAC (Israel US lobby group) made sure this bill was passed by paying senators. They are very powerful. Google it, all the info is public.
And with constant wars purely to seize oil and assets, comes mass displacement thus mass migration which is then funneled by NGOs like the UN into Europe and the UK on an industrial scale. The puppet govs who all have their snouts in the EU trough the are pressed to pass woke laws like DEI and promoting mass immigration etc which means if normal folk complain about it, they are classed as "right wing" and could be criminalised. The US southern border is being flooded for the same reason, weaken, dIvide & control and guaranteed votes.
The Zionists have the US as it's bank, arsenal and media node and have all the top positions in US gov depts and big corps including big global corps & investment banks, who in the 90s were know as the "masters of the universe" and for good reason.
Big biz drives the govs, it's a plutocracy via technology. And the Z's are masters of the long game and very effective at it.
And all the govs, biz leaders etc all take their lead from powerful orgs like the WEF. Have a look at their website to see what they'd like the future to look like. Communism via technology and control. It's a perfect system of ownership and control.
Sounds like a dystopian sci fi novel but that's what's happening.
Jock wrote:sadly mate you’re pissin in the wind, people just don’t get it. They should watch Zelenskyy’s groveling thankyou video to Blackrock and Morgan Stanley, who’re going to rebuild Ukraine kerrrrching. Polish farmers are already blockading the border to stop (American owned) grain flooding the market and depressing prices. The games rigged.GrangeEndStar wrote:It's a circus, all rigged. Doesn't matter who gets in, it's all a distraction from the main show.
Peoples main concern should be how Israel controls the US who in turn controls the West. Any president from either party is just a puppet to give some illusion of democracy, same as all govs.
Biden has just approved the use of US weapons to target Russia in the proxy war caused by US via the Zionists who want to destabilise and keep the war machine going so the profits go straight back to the military industrial complex corps that Blackrock, Vanguard, State St and Goldman Sachs etc own.
The arms industry is worth two trillion a year and war is not only good business, it allows destabilisation to Divide and rule and then control. And the cycle continues.
Blackrock have even set up a fund to rebuild Ukraine worth billions when the war is over, Google it. The recent Moscow terror attack by "ISIL" was a false flag to cause more destablisation too.
Billions again committed to Israel by Biden for exactly the same reasons whose Zionist top 1% and their handlers run the whole show. AIPAC (Israel US lobby group) made sure this bill was passed by paying senators. They are very powerful. Google it, all the info is public.
And with constant wars purely to seize oil and assets, comes mass displacement thus mass migration which is then funneled by NGOs like the UN into Europe and the UK on an industrial scale. The puppet govs who all have their snouts in the EU trough the are pressed to pass woke laws like DEI and promoting mass immigration etc which means if normal folk complain about it, they are classed as "right wing" and could be criminalised. The US southern border is being flooded for the same reason, weaken, dIvide & control and guaranteed votes.
The Zionists have the US as it's bank, arsenal and media node and have all the top positions in US gov depts and big corps including big global corps & investment banks, who in the 90s were know as the "masters of the universe" and for good reason.
Big biz drives the govs, it's a plutocracy via technology. And the Z's are masters of the long game and very effective at it.
And all the govs, biz leaders etc all take their lead from powerful orgs like the WEF. Have a look at their website to see what they'd like the future to look like. Communism via technology and control. It's a perfect system of ownership and control.
Sounds like a dystopian sci fi novel but that's what's happening.
Sat Jun 01, 2024 6:22 am
Sat Jun 01, 2024 8:31 am
TopCat CCFC wrote:US President Joe Biden called Donald Trump's comments about his "rigged" conviction "reckless" during his first public remarks about the guilty verdict.
Mr Biden defended the justice system after the former US president was convicted on Thursday in New York on 34 counts of falsifying business records.
His comments came on Friday afternoon at the top of a news conference where he discussed the Middle East and a new Israeli proposal for Gaza.
"The American principle that no one is above the law was reaffirmed," he said of Thursday's verdict.
Mr Biden went on to say that Trump was given "every opportunity" to defend himself and be heard by a jury of 12 American citizens.
"Now, he'll be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal that decision just like everyone else has that opportunity," he said. "That's how the American system of justice works."
"And it's reckless. It's dangerous. It's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict," he added.
Mr Biden defended the justice system calling it the "cornerstone of America".
"The justice system should be respected and we should never allow anyone to tear it down. It's as simple as that. That's
That's who we are," he said.
Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:23 am
wez1927 wrote:I think your wrong the judge changed it only 2 days before , I watched cnn on it even they said it was wrong , this will get over turned on appeal .piledriver64 wrote:I’m no expert on US law but I think you’re wrong on the 4 juror point.
It was made clear throughout coverage prior to the verdict that Trump only needed one juror to say not guilty and that would have been it.
To claim conspiracy when there were 12 jurors unanimously voting guilty is a stretch too far for me. He’s guilty, no doubt if he had been not guilty then he would have been praising the jury.
Apparently you can never beat Trump unless you cheat ……….. according to Trump !!!!!