Four wins in 24 games:

Four wins in 24 games for Rob Page, apparantly. One of those wins was against Gibraltar at Wrexham - there's a bloody laugh to start with.

Rob Page: “We are in the middle of a transition .”



The only transition going on is one where we go back to the dark ages and in the world rankings alongside Armenia and Estonia

Failed at club level

Managed a disgraceful 4-0 battering v Denmark in the Euros

Oversaw a disgraceful first World Cup campaign in 64 years

Failed to qualify for this Euros at 2 attempts

Without peak Bale and Ramsey, he’s constantly outdone tactically and THE problem

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Its laughable at this point.

Can't really say we had an overly inexperienced team out yesterday either.

Lost 3 players cannot on any guise call replacing them transitioning? We already blooded players to take over and if he had a playing plan those youngsters would simply slot in like in club football.... Read that average ages are 24 and 15+ caps experience so not exactly inexperienced we should be qualifying given the
opposition last time.... Next WC could see us in pot 3 playing teams like Spain and another top team yhats a slippery slope which is hard to get out of considering standards are improving generally with lesser countries.

He relied on Bale and Ramsey for too long, he should have introduced younger players sooner to get them up to where needed. Time he was let go.

Rob Page:

"Low. Dissapointed, of course."

Rob Page says he felt “low” after facing more boos from Wales fans following a 4-0 thrashing in Slovakia

He relied on Bale and Ramsey for too long, he should have introduced younger players sooner to get them up to where needed. Time he was let go.

Looks like our younger players are simply not good enough

He relied on Bale and Ramsey for too long, he should have introduced younger players sooner to get them up to where needed. Time he was let go.

Looks like our younger players are simply not good enough

They're good enough it's the way got to play is the problem! There's not one person knows what system or tactics he uses other than defend at all costs even against the mighty Gibraltar .

Bring in Ryan giggs.he did a good job last time and before the scandal broke we were applauding him off the pitching his last game at yhe ccs

Steve cooper would be ideal still not doing anything since forrest.

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

I don't agree with most of your posts, but this one I agree with fully

Bring giggs back

Bring giggs back

Been saying this for a while ...

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

I don't agree with most of your posts, but this one I agree with fully

I'm not sure what Giggs had to do with our qualification for the World Cup and as for Bale, he was our best player of course he would have an impact just as he did for 2016. In fact he probably made more of a contribution in that campaign - we wouldn't have beaten Andorra without him.

As for the title of the thread, its wrong, its 6 wins out of 24 and if you go from the beginning of 2022 its 7 from 26. Nobodies saying that's acceptable but you have to give consideration to the standard of opposition.

16 of the 26 games were against sides ranked in the top 30 of the Fifa rankings. To give that some context During Chris Colemans 6 years in charge we played 17 games against teams ranked in the top 30. In Ryan Giggs time we played 7, we won one of those - against the ROI who were making a fleeting visit to the top 30 coinciding with that fixture.

Would Giggs have beaten Austria and Ukraine ? May be, but he didn't beat anyone near that standing during his spell. I've been following Wales home and away since the 70's and there've been a number times where we couldn't quite get over the line in crucial games. Whether you want to accept or not, Page did it where better managers before have fallen.

His time is probably up or will be shortly. He's lost the fans who have expectations of qualification. Looking forward our hopes rest mainly with the recent and future expansion of the tournaments. Still hopeful we can hang in pot 2 for the world cup draw in December and if we maintain that then through the group, then its a playoff.

Not easy though given the further lowering of the ability of the players available. I'm not confident we'll have a single nailed on starter in the Premier league next season. Jordan James apart there's very little interest being shown in players from clubs up the leagues. Do we have a Welsh goalkeeper starting regularly anywhere in the football league at present.

So rubbish Page all you want, you may be waiting 60 years for someone to take us to the World Cup finals again. Hope I'm wrong.

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

I don't agree with most of your posts, but this one I agree with fully

I'm not sure what Giggs had to do with our qualification for the World Cup and as for Bale, he was our best player of course he would have an impact just as he did for 2016. In fact he probably made more of a contribution in that campaign - we wouldn't have beaten Andorra without him.

As for the title of the thread, its wrong, its 6 wins out of 24 and if you go from the beginning of 2022 its 7 from 26. Nobodies saying that's acceptable but you have to give consideration to the standard of opposition.

16 of the 26 games were against sides ranked in the top 30 of the Fifa rankings. To give that some context During Chris Colemans 6 years in charge we played 17 games against teams ranked in the top 30. In Ryan Giggs time we played 7, we won one of those - against the ROI who were making a fleeting visit to the top 30 coinciding with that fixture.

Would Giggs have beaten Austria and Ukraine ? May be, but he didn't beat anyone near that standing during his spell. I've been following Wales home and away since the 70's and there've been a number times where we couldn't quite get over the line in crucial games. Whether you want to accept or not, Page did it where better managers before have fallen.

His time is probably up or will be shortly. He's lost the fans who have expectations of qualification. Looking forward our hopes rest mainly with the recent and future expansion of the tournaments. Still hopeful we can hang in pot 2 for the world cup draw in December and if we maintain that then through the group, then its a playoff.

Not easy though given the further lowering of the ability of the players available. I'm not confident we'll have a single nailed on starter in the Premier league next season. Jordan James apart there's very little interest being shown in players from clubs up the leagues. Do we have a Welsh goalkeeper starting regularly anywhere in the football league at present.

So rubbish Page all you want, you may be waiting 60 years for someone to take us to the World Cup finals again. Hope I'm wrong.

I’ve waited my entire life to qualify for the WC, and after the embarrassing capitulation I wish we’d never qualified.

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

I don't agree with most of your posts, but this one I agree with fully

I'm not sure what Giggs had to do with our qualification for the World Cup and as for Bale, he was our best player of course he would have an impact just as he did for 2016. In fact he probably made more of a contribution in that campaign - we wouldn't have beaten Andorra without him.

As for the title of the thread, its wrong, its 6 wins out of 24 and if you go from the beginning of 2022 its 7 from 26. Nobodies saying that's acceptable but you have to give consideration to the standard of opposition.

16 of the 26 games were against sides ranked in the top 30 of the Fifa rankings. To give that some context During Chris Colemans 6 years in charge we played 17 games against teams ranked in the top 30. In Ryan Giggs time we played 7, we won one of those - against the ROI who were making a fleeting visit to the top 30 coinciding with that fixture.

Would Giggs have beaten Austria and Ukraine ? May be, but he didn't beat anyone near that standing during his spell. I've been following Wales home and away since the 70's and there've been a number times where we couldn't quite get over the line in crucial games. Whether you want to accept or not, Page did it where better managers before have fallen.

His time is probably up or will be shortly. He's lost the fans who have expectations of qualification. Looking forward our hopes rest mainly with the recent and future expansion of the tournaments. Still hopeful we can hang in pot 2 for the world cup draw in December and if we maintain that then through the group, then its a playoff.

Not easy though given the further lowering of the ability of the players available. I'm not confident we'll have a single nailed on starter in the Premier league next season. Jordan James apart there's very little interest being shown in players from clubs up the leagues. Do we have a Welsh goalkeeper starting regularly anywhere in the football league at present.

So rubbish Page all you want, you may be waiting 60 years for someone to take us to the World Cup finals again. Hope I'm wrong.

I’ve waited my entire life to qualify for the WC, and after the embarrassing capitulation I wish we’d never qualified.

What were you expecting ? I do it all again tomorrow, given the chance.

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

I don't agree with most of your posts, but this one I agree with fully

I'm not sure what Giggs had to do with our qualification for the World Cup and as for Bale, he was our best player of course he would have an impact just as he did for 2016. In fact he probably made more of a contribution in that campaign - we wouldn't have beaten Andorra without him.

As for the title of the thread, its wrong, its 6 wins out of 24 and if you go from the beginning of 2022 its 7 from 26. Nobodies saying that's acceptable but you have to give consideration to the standard of opposition.

16 of the 26 games were against sides ranked in the top 30 of the Fifa rankings. To give that some context During Chris Colemans 6 years in charge we played 17 games against teams ranked in the top 30. In Ryan Giggs time we played 7, we won one of those - against the ROI who were making a fleeting visit to the top 30 coinciding with that fixture.

Would Giggs have beaten Austria and Ukraine ? May be, but he didn't beat anyone near that standing during his spell. I've been following Wales home and away since the 70's and there've been a number times where we couldn't quite get over the line in crucial games. Whether you want to accept or not, Page did it where better managers before have fallen.

His time is probably up or will be shortly. He's lost the fans who have expectations of qualification. Looking forward our hopes rest mainly with the recent and future expansion of the tournaments. Still hopeful we can hang in pot 2 for the world cup draw in December and if we maintain that then through the group, then its a playoff.

Not easy though given the further lowering of the ability of the players available. I'm not confident we'll have a single nailed on starter in the Premier league next season. Jordan James apart there's very little interest being shown in players from clubs up the leagues. Do we have a Welsh goalkeeper starting regularly anywhere in the football league at present.

So rubbish Page all you want, you may be waiting 60 years for someone to take us to the World Cup finals again. Hope I'm wrong.

I’ve waited my entire life to qualify for the WC, and after the embarrassing capitulation I wish we’d never qualified.

What were you expecting ? I do it all again tomorrow, given the chance.

You never turn down qualification no matter how rubbish we play... but the issue is 4 wins in 24! That is unsustainable in international football as will fast lose ranking points and that means tuffer opposition in qualification groups a viscous circle that we broke but going back to bad old days Prior to speed taking over.

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

I don't agree with most of your posts, but this one I agree with fully

I'm not sure what Giggs had to do with our qualification for the World Cup and as for Bale, he was our best player of course he would have an impact just as he did for 2016. In fact he probably made more of a contribution in that campaign - we wouldn't have beaten Andorra without him.

As for the title of the thread, its wrong, its 6 wins out of 24 and if you go from the beginning of 2022 its 7 from 26. Nobodies saying that's acceptable but you have to give consideration to the standard of opposition.

16 of the 26 games were against sides ranked in the top 30 of the Fifa rankings. To give that some context During Chris Colemans 6 years in charge we played 17 games against teams ranked in the top 30. In Ryan Giggs time we played 7, we won one of those - against the ROI who were making a fleeting visit to the top 30 coinciding with that fixture.

Would Giggs have beaten Austria and Ukraine ? May be, but he didn't beat anyone near that standing during his spell. I've been following Wales home and away since the 70's and there've been a number times where we couldn't quite get over the line in crucial games. Whether you want to accept or not, Page did it where better managers before have fallen.

His time is probably up or will be shortly. He's lost the fans who have expectations of qualification. Looking forward our hopes rest mainly with the recent and future expansion of the tournaments. Still hopeful we can hang in pot 2 for the world cup draw in December and if we maintain that then through the group, then its a playoff.

Not easy though given the further lowering of the ability of the players available. I'm not confident we'll have a single nailed on starter in the Premier league next season. Jordan James apart there's very little interest being shown in players from clubs up the leagues. Do we have a Welsh goalkeeper starting regularly anywhere in the football league at present.

So rubbish Page all you want, you may be waiting 60 years for someone to take us to the World Cup finals again. Hope I'm wrong.

If Transfermarkt is to be believed, then his record (including his time as caretaker) site at 15 wins from 45 games.

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

I don't agree with most of your posts, but this one I agree with fully

I'm not sure what Giggs had to do with our qualification for the World Cup and as for Bale, he was our best player of course he would have an impact just as he did for 2016. In fact he probably made more of a contribution in that campaign - we wouldn't have beaten Andorra without him.

As for the title of the thread, its wrong, its 6 wins out of 24 and if you go from the beginning of 2022 its 7 from 26. Nobodies saying that's acceptable but you have to give consideration to the standard of opposition.

16 of the 26 games were against sides ranked in the top 30 of the Fifa rankings. To give that some context During Chris Colemans 6 years in charge we played 17 games against teams ranked in the top 30. In Ryan Giggs time we played 7, we won one of those - against the ROI who were making a fleeting visit to the top 30 coinciding with that fixture.

Would Giggs have beaten Austria and Ukraine ? May be, but he didn't beat anyone near that standing during his spell. I've been following Wales home and away since the 70's and there've been a number times where we couldn't quite get over the line in crucial games. Whether you want to accept or not, Page did it where better managers before have fallen.

His time is probably up or will be shortly. He's lost the fans who have expectations of qualification. Looking forward our hopes rest mainly with the recent and future expansion of the tournaments. Still hopeful we can hang in pot 2 for the world cup draw in December and if we maintain that then through the group, then its a playoff.

Not easy though given the further lowering of the ability of the players available. I'm not confident we'll have a single nailed on starter in the Premier league next season. Jordan James apart there's very little interest being shown in players from clubs up the leagues. Do we have a Welsh goalkeeper starting regularly anywhere in the football league at present.

So rubbish Page all you want, you may be waiting 60 years for someone to take us to the World Cup finals again. Hope I'm wrong.

I’ve waited my entire life to qualify for the WC, and after the embarrassing capitulation I wish we’d never qualified.

What were you expecting ? I do it all again tomorrow, given the chance.

You never turn down qualification no matter how rubbish we play... but the issue is 4 wins in 24! That is unsustainable in international football as will fast lose ranking points and that means tuffer opposition in qualification groups a viscous circle that we broke but going back to bad old days Prior to speed taking over.

Absolutely and of course loosing and drawing to the likes of Armenia in a qualifier will always hurt although I'm not sure we've ever beaten them. Drawing with Gibralter even in a friendly not good either. I hope we can stay in pot 2 for the world cup draw but it helps that Nation league games are only factored at 15 so there's less room for wild swings although the current ranking formulae has calmed down the fluctuations as well. That's without going into the fact that points gained or lost no longer depreciate. 10 points lost today still count as 10 points lost in 20 years. But we've got to recognise the quality of playing resource is dwindling.

I agree, that many a manager may not have had a much better win ratio during this time with the transition from 2016 squad, the Giggs controversy and the quality of players left to work with. However just like Erol Bulut, that awful win ratio was achieved playing awful to watch football and bewildering in game decisions and game management. If we have seen a positive philosophy on the pitch, that has been encouraging to watch given us hope for the future then fair enough. Its the opposite. I have met Rob, just like Erol, both lovely guys, but their football is awful. Page will not walk you can sense it in his interviews. So Mooney and his merry men need to grow a pair, and dismiss him as currently its only they that aren't seeing the damage being done by keeping him in post, when the whole of the red wall it seems are screaming for change.

And yes, I recognise the quality of playing resource is dwindling. Including U21 games I attend. I fear a return to those bad days again

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

I don't agree with most of your posts, but this one I agree with fully

I'm not sure what Giggs had to do with our qualification for the World Cup and as for Bale, he was our best player of course he would have an impact just as he did for 2016. In fact he probably made more of a contribution in that campaign - we wouldn't have beaten Andorra without him.

As for the title of the thread, its wrong, its 6 wins out of 24 and if you go from the beginning of 2022 its 7 from 26. Nobodies saying that's acceptable but you have to give consideration to the standard of opposition.

16 of the 26 games were against sides ranked in the top 30 of the Fifa rankings. To give that some context During Chris Colemans 6 years in charge we played 17 games against teams ranked in the top 30. In Ryan Giggs time we played 7, we won one of those - against the ROI who were making a fleeting visit to the top 30 coinciding with that fixture.

Would Giggs have beaten Austria and Ukraine ? May be, but he didn't beat anyone near that standing during his spell. I've been following Wales home and away since the 70's and there've been a number times where we couldn't quite get over the line in crucial games. Whether you want to accept or not, Page did it where better managers before have fallen.

His time is probably up or will be shortly. He's lost the fans who have expectations of qualification. Looking forward our hopes rest mainly with the recent and future expansion of the tournaments. Still hopeful we can hang in pot 2 for the world cup draw in December and if we maintain that then through the group, then its a playoff.

Not easy though given the further lowering of the ability of the players available. I'm not confident we'll have a single nailed on starter in the Premier league next season. Jordan James apart there's very little interest being shown in players from clubs up the leagues. Do we have a Welsh goalkeeper starting regularly anywhere in the football league at present.

So rubbish Page all you want, you may be waiting 60 years for someone to take us to the World Cup finals again. Hope I'm wrong.

I’ve waited my entire life to qualify for the WC, and after the embarrassing capitulation I wish we’d never qualified.

What were you expecting ? I do it all again tomorrow, given the chance.

A plan, a plan B, some effort. It was an embarrassment and all stems from the manager.

Failed at lower league level, let’s give him the Welsh job, ridiculous.

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

I don't agree with most of your posts, but this one I agree with fully

I'm not sure what Giggs had to do with our qualification for the World Cup and as for Bale, he was our best player of course he would have an impact just as he did for 2016. In fact he probably made more of a contribution in that campaign - we wouldn't have beaten Andorra without him.

As for the title of the thread, its wrong, its 6 wins out of 24 and if you go from the beginning of 2022 its 7 from 26. Nobodies saying that's acceptable but you have to give consideration to the standard of opposition.

16 of the 26 games were against sides ranked in the top 30 of the Fifa rankings. To give that some context During Chris Colemans 6 years in charge we played 17 games against teams ranked in the top 30. In Ryan Giggs time we played 7, we won one of those - against the ROI who were making a fleeting visit to the top 30 coinciding with that fixture.

Would Giggs have beaten Austria and Ukraine ? May be, but he didn't beat anyone near that standing during his spell. I've been following Wales home and away since the 70's and there've been a number times where we couldn't quite get over the line in crucial games. Whether you want to accept or not, Page did it where better managers before have fallen.

His time is probably up or will be shortly. He's lost the fans who have expectations of qualification. Looking forward our hopes rest mainly with the recent and future expansion of the tournaments. Still hopeful we can hang in pot 2 for the world cup draw in December and if we maintain that then through the group, then its a playoff.

Not easy though given the further lowering of the ability of the players available. I'm not confident we'll have a single nailed on starter in the Premier league next season. Jordan James apart there's very little interest being shown in players from clubs up the leagues. Do we have a Welsh goalkeeper starting regularly anywhere in the football league at present.

So rubbish Page all you want, you may be waiting 60 years for someone to take us to the World Cup finals again. Hope I'm wrong.

I’ve waited my entire life to qualify for the WC, and after the embarrassing capitulation I wish we’d never qualified.

What were you expecting ? I do it all again tomorrow, given the chance.

You never turn down qualification no matter how rubbish we play... but the issue is 4 wins in 24! That is unsustainable in international football as will fast lose ranking points and that means tuffer opposition in qualification groups a viscous circle that we broke but going back to bad old days Prior to speed taking over.

Absolutely and of course loosing and drawing to the likes of Armenia in a qualifier will always hurt although I'm not sure we've ever beaten them. Drawing with Gibralter even in a friendly not good either. I hope we can stay in pot 2 for the world cup draw but it helps that Nation league games are only factored at 15 so there's less room for wild swings although the current ranking formulae has calmed down the fluctuations as well. That's without going into the fact that points gained or lost no longer depreciate. 10 points lost today still count as 10 points lost in 20 years. But we've got to recognise the quality of playing resource is dwindling.

Even friendlies count in ranking points that's why at one point countries stopped playing them as your right points value never changed so if dont play dont lose points unnecessary... the context of Gibraltar is their results history? Only 8 teams drew with them before us last week and they were like bottom 20 in rankings.. ... our youngsters are not that bad its how we play that's the problem no plan style or tactics...he needs to go otherwise can see us being in pot 3 ... someone suggests keep for 2 games (nations league) but if fail that's two games gone to let new manager get things right for WC qualification
Just got to be careful dont miss out again.

From his very first few games it was so obvious he didn’t have a clue , just had bale to hide the clueless game plan , and then they go and offer him 4 year contract with no justification as too why , the World Cup was a fluke getting there and was mainly due to giggs and bales work previously ,
The only place wales is going is down down down until he’s gone , and it’s so f*cking obvious it’s laughable

I don't agree with most of your posts, but this one I agree with fully

I'm not sure what Giggs had to do with our qualification for the World Cup and as for Bale, he was our best player of course he would have an impact just as he did for 2016. In fact he probably made more of a contribution in that campaign - we wouldn't have beaten Andorra without him.

As for the title of the thread, its wrong, its 6 wins out of 24 and if you go from the beginning of 2022 its 7 from 26. Nobodies saying that's acceptable but you have to give consideration to the standard of opposition.

16 of the 26 games were against sides ranked in the top 30 of the Fifa rankings. To give that some context During Chris Colemans 6 years in charge we played 17 games against teams ranked in the top 30. In Ryan Giggs time we played 7, we won one of those - against the ROI who were making a fleeting visit to the top 30 coinciding with that fixture.

Would Giggs have beaten Austria and Ukraine ? May be, but he didn't beat anyone near that standing during his spell. I've been following Wales home and away since the 70's and there've been a number times where we couldn't quite get over the line in crucial games. Whether you want to accept or not, Page did it where better managers before have fallen.

His time is probably up or will be shortly. He's lost the fans who have expectations of qualification. Looking forward our hopes rest mainly with the recent and future expansion of the tournaments. Still hopeful we can hang in pot 2 for the world cup draw in December and if we maintain that then through the group, then its a playoff.

Not easy though given the further lowering of the ability of the players available. I'm not confident we'll have a single nailed on starter in the Premier league next season. Jordan James apart there's very little interest being shown in players from clubs up the leagues. Do we have a Welsh goalkeeper starting regularly anywhere in the football league at present.

So rubbish Page all you want, you may be waiting 60 years for someone to take us to the World Cup finals again. Hope I'm wrong.

Giggs had wales playing some really nice football, things were starting to click , it was good to watch and the results would have started coming , that’s what I mean , but soon as page took over you could see the difference , it was just so shite, and also giggs would have had them winning games in that World Cup , but with page it was embarrassing , I couldn’t watch it , and I don’t watch any of his games until he’s gone