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Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 4:43 pm

Erol Bulut:

McGuinness?

"For now, the offers have to come in and then I think the board will make the decision about that. Price, when you ask me, I have one in my head, but I will not share it with you."

Pressed on whether there were concrete offers on the table, Bulut replied: "Yeah, I think. We are now on the level where everyone is talking about the transfer. [There] Should be something in that we are discussing right now."
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Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:25 pm

I'll be really p155ed off if we sell him. He's our best CB. He's young, talented, still improving and a future captain. If we are going for promotion this season, why sell him to a rival?

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:29 pm

MikeO76 wrote:I'll be really p155ed off if we sell him. He's our best CB. He's young, talented, still improving and a future captain. If we are going for promotion this season, why sell him to a rival?


I disagree that he’s our best CB but anyway..

If a club make an offer that we can’t refuse, it would be stupid to turn it down - especially if he wants the move.

But if we let him go cheap, it won’t be a good look by the club.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:34 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:I'll be really p155ed off if we sell him. He's our best CB. He's young, talented, still improving and a future captain. If we are going for promotion this season, why sell him to a rival?


I disagree that he’s our best CB but anyway..

If a club make an offer that we can’t refuse, it would be stupid to turn it down - especially if he wants the move.

But if we let him go cheap, it won’t be a good look by the club.


You're not wrong about if he wants a move, we all know how well it went last time we hung onto someone who wanted a move. I'm not saying he would also down tools but we just don't know.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:39 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:I'll be really p155ed off if we sell him. He's our best CB. He's young, talented, still improving and a future captain. If we are going for promotion this season, why sell him to a rival?


I disagree that he’s our best CB but anyway..

If a club make an offer that we can’t refuse, it would be stupid to turn it down - especially if he wants the move.

But if we let him go cheap, it won’t be a good look by the club.

Even if you don't think he's our best CB, he's still improving and will become a quality CB and a captain and I think will eventually play in the premier.

We're told the club wants promotion so why sell our best players which in my opinion MM is!

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:45 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:I'll be really p155ed off if we sell him. He's our best CB. He's young, talented, still improving and a future captain. If we are going for promotion this season, why sell him to a rival?


I disagree that he’s our best CB but anyway..

If a club make an offer that we can’t refuse, it would be stupid to turn it down - especially if he wants the move.

But if we let him go cheap, it won’t be a good look by the club.

Even if you don't think he's our best CB, he's still improving and will become a quality CB and a captain and I think will eventually play in the premier.

We're told the club wants promotion so why sell our best players which in my opinion MM is!


Like I said, selling him cheap won’t be good.

But the reality is that every club in this league are a selling club, whether the player goes to a team in the same division or not.

Leeds had to sell Summerville, Hull had to sell Philogene, we had to sell Moore, Coventry had to sell Gyokeres and Hamer, Blackburn had to sell Wharton etc.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:26 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:I'll be really p155ed off if we sell him. He's our best CB. He's young, talented, still improving and a future captain. If we are going for promotion this season, why sell him to a rival?


I disagree that he’s our best CB but anyway..

If a club make an offer that we can’t refuse, it would be stupid to turn it down - especially if he wants the move.

But if we let him go cheap, it won’t be a good look by the club.

Even if you don't think he's our best CB, he's still improving and will become a quality CB and a captain and I think will eventually play in the premier.

We're told the club wants promotion so why sell our best players which in my opinion MM is!


Like I said, selling him cheap won’t be good.

But the reality is that every club in this league are a selling club, whether the player goes to a team in the same division or not.

Leeds had to sell Summerville, Hull had to sell Philogene, we had to sell Moore, Coventry had to sell Gyokeres and Hamer, Blackburn had to sell Wharton etc.

You're missing my point. All those examples, with the exception of Moore, we're sold by championship teams to premier league or foreign teams, not to league rivals.

My point is, if we are serious about promotion,why sell one of our best players to a league rival. Makes no sense to me.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:45 pm

For a high price it makes sense especially if we can get that ex forest Scottish centre back on a free

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:47 pm

Luton is keen on McGuinness so maybe they put the bid in for him.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:49 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:I'll be really p155ed off if we sell him. He's our best CB. He's young, talented, still improving and a future captain. If we are going for promotion this season, why sell him to a rival?


I disagree that he’s our best CB but anyway..

If a club make an offer that we can’t refuse, it would be stupid to turn it down - especially if he wants the move.

But if we let him go cheap, it won’t be a good look by the club.

Even if you don't think he's our best CB, he's still improving and will become a quality CB and a captain and I think will eventually play in the premier.

We're told the club wants promotion so why sell our best players which in my opinion MM is!


Like I said, selling him cheap won’t be good.

But the reality is that every club in this league are a selling club, whether the player goes to a team in the same division or not.

Leeds had to sell Summerville, Hull had to sell Philogene, we had to sell Moore, Coventry had to sell Gyokeres and Hamer, Blackburn had to sell Wharton etc.

You're missing my point. All those examples, with the exception of Moore, we're sold by championship teams to premier league or foreign teams, not to league rivals.

My point is, if we are serious about promotion,why sell one of our best players to a league rival. Makes no sense to me.


I'm with you on this one Mike.
I think he's our best centre back hands down and improving. He recently signed a longer contract did he not? That implies he likes it at Cardiff.

If we don't need to sell him, then we bloody shouldn't, particularly not to a Championship rival!

No bids for Goutas are there!?
I've said it before but if he goes then it does raise some doubt about how ambitious we are about getting promotion this season.

And if we were to let him go for anything less than £10 million, I'd be disappointed.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:35 pm

Why would we sell our joint top scorer?

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:49 pm

I’m not totally convinced by him. Excellent on occasions and prone to errors on other occasions. Would be happy to keep him but if we get anywhere near what’s being asked for then we can’t afford not to say no. It’s a big gamble as to how far he can go so agree a sell on percentage just in case.

I’m impressed with the club on this one. Many clubs are looking for a good centre back including Leeds and Luton looking at the goals they are conceding. Hold on as long as possible, start a bidding war up until the window fast approaching.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:11 pm

Newly-relegated outfit Luton Town are believed to be among the sides courting McGuinness as of late, but Cardiff have set an asking price in the region of £10 million, and it is not yet clear if their eight-figure valuation will be met.

Cardiff are under no immediate pressure to sell McGuinness, who agreed a new four-year contract with the club this time last year. The 23-year-old has made more than 80 appearances after joining from Arsenal in the summer of 2021, becoming an ever-present across the last year-and-a-half.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:12 pm

Erol Bulut issues Mark McGuinness latest amid Luton Town interest -

When quizzed by the press on whether the interest in McGuinness remains, Bulut confirmed that the defender is still a wanted man and is not the only Cardiff player to be admired elsewhere, either.

Bulut said: "Interest is always there. Luton or other clubs. This is why he had so much interest. He is now a player of Cardiff City. He will continue in that way. If nothing comes we are pleased to have him here.

"For now yes. It's a free market. They can test. The player belongs to us, so we don't have any rush for this. The value of the player is this. When the club gets this value then the club will go forward.

"This has a time element, when I will say 'now, no', if I let a player go if I don't have someone on the market I can get. For now, the offers have to come in and then I think the board will make the decision about that.

"Yeah, I think [there is a concrete offer for McGuinness]. We are now on the level where everyone is talking about the transfer. [There] Should be something in that we are discussing right now.

"Of course, the interest is there. But not everyone can go. We have to stay with a base sometimes. Still, it's the value. But from now, everything that comes in, we have to think more carefully, because it's close to the end of the transfer period.

"The players we need now, we cannot say late on, 'Ah everyone is going, we cannot get anyone on the market.'

"With Macca, it's been like this for 10 days, everything is going up and down, but nothing is finalised. I am looking forward with Macca until something is finalised."

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:26 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:I'll be really p155ed off if we sell him. He's our best CB. He's young, talented, still improving and a future captain. If we are going for promotion this season, why sell him to a rival?


I disagree that he’s our best CB but anyway..

If a club make an offer that we can’t refuse, it would be stupid to turn it down - especially if he wants the move.

But if we let him go cheap, it won’t be a good look by the club.

Even if you don't think he's our best CB, he's still improving and will become a quality CB and a captain and I think will eventually play in the premier.

We're told the club wants promotion so why sell our best players which in my opinion MM is!


Like I said, selling him cheap won’t be good.

But the reality is that every club in this league are a selling club, whether the player goes to a team in the same division or not.

Leeds had to sell Summerville, Hull had to sell Philogene, we had to sell Moore, Coventry had to sell Gyokeres and Hamer, Blackburn had to sell Wharton etc.

You're missing my point. All those examples, with the exception of Moore, we're sold by championship teams to premier league or foreign teams, not to league rivals.

My point is, if we are serious about promotion,why sell one of our best players to a league rival. Makes no sense to me.


That’s true actually.

Sorry, long day so probably didn’t read your initial post properly :lol:

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:20 am

It's a shame because the language coming from Bulut you can see the club are looking to sell. If it was MM forcing the move then he doesn't play like he did against Bristol Rovers. Comments like if he doesn't go then he'd be welcomed back into the family is ridiculous.

Like Blackburn with Szmodics you build a team around your best players and if a team wants them then they have to pay over the odds.

I personally feel MM causes bulut a problem.

He would either have to drop his golden child who he signed or Chambers who is dropping down from the premier league, probably on high wages.

I totally agree with others he's our strongest CB now with high potential. I wouldn't say Rodon at Leeds is any better and he's 26. If your looking for a rebust CB that the championship requires then McGuiness is better suited for this league.

If we sell for 10m to a premier league club then that would be good for the club.

I don't see how selling to a championship rival for anything less is a good move for the club.

This will be one that comes back to bites us and 100% shows a lack of ambition if we sell to a championship rival.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:42 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:I'll be really p155ed off if we sell him. He's our best CB. He's young, talented, still improving and a future captain. If we are going for promotion this season, why sell him to a rival?


I disagree that he’s our best CB but anyway..

If a club make an offer that we can’t refuse, it would be stupid to turn it down - especially if he wants the move.

But if we let him go cheap, it won’t be a good look by the club.

Even if you don't think he's our best CB, he's still improving and will become a quality CB and a captain and I think will eventually play in the premier.

We're told the club wants promotion so why sell our best players which in my opinion MM is!


Like I said, selling him cheap won’t be good.

But the reality is that every club in this league are a selling club, whether the player goes to a team in the same division or not.

Leeds had to sell Summerville, Hull had to sell Philogene, we had to sell Moore, Coventry had to sell Gyokeres and Hamer, Blackburn had to sell Wharton etc.

You're missing my point. All those examples, with the exception of Moore, we're sold by championship teams to premier league or foreign teams, not to league rivals.

My point is, if we are serious about promotion,why sell one of our best players to a league rival. Makes no sense to me.


That’s true actually.

Sorry, long day so probably didn’t read your initial post properly :lol:

:thumbup:

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:47 am

Nickoblue23 wrote:It's a shame because the language coming from Bulut you can see the club are looking to sell. If it was MM forcing the move then he doesn't play like he did against Bristol Rovers. Comments like if he doesn't go then he'd be welcomed back into the family is ridiculous.

Like Blackburn with Szmodics you build a team around your best players and if a team wants them then they have to pay over the odds.

I personally feel MM causes bulut a problem.

He would either have to drop his golden child who he signed or Chambers who is dropping down from the premier league, probably on high wages.

I totally agree with others he's our strongest CB now with high potential. I wouldn't say Rodon at Leeds is any better and he's 26. If your looking for a rebust CB that the championship requires then McGuiness is better suited for this league.

If we sell for 10m to a premier league club then that would be good for the club.

I don't see how selling to a championship rival for anything less is a good move for the club.

This will be one that comes back to bites us and 100% shows a lack of ambition if we sell to a championship rival.

Yes good post.

Also if someone comes in at the 11th hour on deadline day with the £10m, we are then short of a CB if the club accepts it.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Thu Aug 15, 2024 12:40 pm

Tuna Pasta Bake wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:I'll be really p155ed off if we sell him. He's our best CB. He's young, talented, still improving and a future captain. If we are going for promotion this season, why sell him to a rival?


I disagree that he’s our best CB but anyway..

If a club make an offer that we can’t refuse, it would be stupid to turn it down - especially if he wants the move.

But if we let him go cheap, it won’t be a good look by the club.

Even if you don't think he's our best CB, he's still improving and will become a quality CB and a captain and I think will eventually play in the premier.

We're told the club wants promotion so why sell our best players which in my opinion MM is!


Like I said, selling him cheap won’t be good.

But the reality is that every club in this league are a selling club, whether the player goes to a team in the same division or not.

Leeds had to sell Summerville, Hull had to sell Philogene, we had to sell Moore, Coventry had to sell Gyokeres and Hamer, Blackburn had to sell Wharton etc.

You're missing my point. All those examples, with the exception of Moore, we're sold by championship teams to premier league or foreign teams, not to league rivals.

My point is, if we are serious about promotion,why sell one of our best players to a league rival. Makes no sense to me.


I'm with you on this one Mike.
I think he's our best centre back hands down and improving. He recently signed a longer contract did he not? That implies he likes it at Cardiff.

If we don't need to sell him, then we bloody shouldn't, particularly not to a Championship rival!

No bids for Goutas are there!?
I've said it before but if he goes then it does raise some doubt about how ambitious we are about getting promotion this season.

And if we were to let him go for anything less than £10 million, I'd be disappointed.


He's good, very good. Hope he stays..

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Thu Aug 15, 2024 2:47 pm

We were no better or worse off with him in or out of the team for 6 months (albeit with Nat Phillips in). Chambers is cover, Goutas is better (for me).

Sell. No other player in our squad is gaining £5Mill or whatever it is, interest. Backfill with the next McGuiness; repeat.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:18 pm

Don't think we should sell him. Wasn't our form worse in the second half of last season, minus McGuinness?

Not easy getting a decent replacement. Not many players that start off at Arsenal end up crap.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:30 pm

I like McGuinness and would prefer him to stay.

However, if 10m comes in for him, it's a no brainer for me...especially if we slap a sell on clause in there as well.

That's big bucks and we've not made that sort of money on a player for god knows how long. In fact, would that even be a record sale for us. I don't think the pitbull or Caulker went for that sort of money. Zohore was sold for about 8m wasn't he.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:17 pm

For £10m we could get szmodic Ipswich bid that for him.

Re: Erol Bulut: “ Offer for McGuinness “

Fri Aug 16, 2024 12:24 am

I don’t think we’ll get anywhere near £10 mill!

For the money banded around you are betting on the potential to be a premier league player. To me he is a Sean Morrison type championship player. A stopper with a bit of pace and mobility, but even though an arsenal kid he is uncomfortable on the ball and guesses a lot.