Our Manager - Out Of His Depth?

The manager picks the team , sets the tactics and 'game plan'. It's slow, predictable, telegraphed, boring football. We can't play through midfield let alone play out from the back. Comedy errors yet again today.

No youth pace or energy in his team selection today, we were up against it from the off. How Meite gets a starting place at Cardiff City only the manager knows? He isn't a striker and he most certainly isn't a winger. There's no sign of any of our talented youngsters, which is absolutely criminal.

The press virtually non existent from the front, especially 2nd half.

We had the warning last season. I still say Erol has no plan B, can only play one way and is seriously out of his depth. Defeat
and bad performance next week, serious pressure will be on. Personally I don't think he has the capability to take both our younger players and our club forward, my feelings haven't changed.

Yes he's not a championship manager! His negative tactics will take us down. I can't see any improvement on last season! Can't score and can't keep a clean sheet.

nah just owner and board.......................but the blind cannot see it

Yes, gutted to say I have been saying it for most of his tenure

Yes.

nah just owner and board.......................but the blind cannot see it

Were Tan and Dalman playing yesterday? I must have missed that. I know there was somebody with a ridiculous pair of shorts on but I thought that was Kanga rather than Vinny.

Perhaps they were in the dugout making the substitutions and coaching the players?

Must have missed that too.

You're right though - the board are to blame for not realising just how out of his depth Bulut is and giving him the boot after getting dicked by Rotherham last season.

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

Way out of it, in up to his eyes and can't breathe!!

There is no way, he can get this team up for the derby, like the jerks do.
They'll be pumping themselves up and rubbing their hands with glee after yesterday's car crash.
They'll want it more and he won't give a shyte.

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.

Wiggy he’s clueless in tactics


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I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.

In a way it is though, he chose the team. Hovarth should not have been on the pitch 2nd choice at best.
Sorry, in my opinion it is the managers fault.

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.

In a way it is though, he chose the team. Hovarth should not have been on the pitch 2nd choice at best.
Sorry, in my opinion it is the managers fault.

I believe Alnwick is a better keeper, so do agree on that point.

But can't blame him really for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Or for our other players missing chances.

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.

In a way it is though, he chose the team. Hovarth should not have been on the pitch 2nd choice at best.
Sorry, in my opinion it is the managers fault.

I believe Alnwick is a better keeper, so do agree on that point.

But can't blame him really for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Or for our other players missing chances.

If we have a better keeper on the bench, you can blame the manager for Hovarths mistake, why start him in the first place? That's the point. Prevent a disaster before it happens.
All about opinions.

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.

In a way it is though, he chose the team. Hovarth should not have been on the pitch 2nd choice at best.
Sorry, in my opinion it is the managers fault.

I believe Alnwick is a better keeper, so do agree on that point.

But can't blame him really for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Or for our other players missing chances.

The goal is buluts fault. This is what happens when you continue go backwards, the more something risky happens the more chance there is of that risk occurring. He plays negative football so he’s to blame for the negative outcomes.

If you think bulut is the man got the job fair enough, I used to but he’s been here long enough for me to show that he isn’t. I don’t want us writing another season off because we stuck with an out of depth manager for to long.

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.

In a way it is though, he chose the team. Hovarth should not have been on the pitch 2nd choice at best.
Sorry, in my opinion it is the managers fault.

I believe Alnwick is a better keeper, so do agree on that point.

But can't blame him really for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Or for our other players missing chances.

The goal is buluts fault. This is what happens when you continue go backwards, the more something risky happens the more chance there is of that risk occurring. He plays negative football so he’s to blame for the negative outcomes.

If you think bulut is the man got the job fair enough, I used to but he’s been here long enough for me to show that he isn’t. I don’t want us writing another season off because we stuck with an out of depth manager for to long.

Sometimes we need to go backwards, not as much as we do, but sometimes it's needed.

Can't blame Bulut for Goutas going backwards when being pressed or for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Surely you realise that blaming him for how a player takes his eye off the ball sounds ridiculous?

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.

In a way it is though, he chose the team. Hovarth should not have been on the pitch 2nd choice at best.
Sorry, in my opinion it is the managers fault.

I believe Alnwick is a better keeper, so do agree on that point.

But can't blame him really for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Or for our other players missing chances.

The goal is buluts fault. This is what happens when you continue go backwards, the more something risky happens the more chance there is of that risk occurring. He plays negative football so he’s to blame for the negative outcomes.

If you think bulut is the man got the job fair enough, I used to but he’s been here long enough for me to show that he isn’t. I don’t want us writing another season off because we stuck with an out of depth manager for to long.

Sometimes we need to go backwards, not as much as we do, but sometimes it's needed.

Can't blame Bulut for Goutas going backwards when being pressed or for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Surely you realise that blaming him for how a player takes his eye off the ball sounds ridiculous?

You micro managing every tiny step. Of course he can’t be blamed for that. But he’s the manager buck stops at him, the way he trains set up his team is what leads to these mistakes and results.

What’s next the bus was late, they used the wrong washing powder. You clutching at straws to defend bulut and can only pin point seconds of the game.
We lost both our opening games haven’t scored a goal and conceded 7. If that’s what you expected this season that I understand why you can’t see the issue with bulut.

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.

In a way it is though, he chose the team. Hovarth should not have been on the pitch 2nd choice at best.
Sorry, in my opinion it is the managers fault.

I believe Alnwick is a better keeper, so do agree on that point.

But can't blame him really for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Or for our other players missing chances.

The goal is buluts fault. This is what happens when you continue go backwards, the more something risky happens the more chance there is of that risk occurring. He plays negative football so he’s to blame for the negative outcomes.

If you think bulut is the man got the job fair enough, I used to but he’s been here long enough for me to show that he isn’t. I don’t want us writing another season off because we stuck with an out of depth manager for to long.

Sometimes we need to go backwards, not as much as we do, but sometimes it's needed.

Can't blame Bulut for Goutas going backwards when being pressed or for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Surely you realise that blaming him for how a player takes his eye off the ball sounds ridiculous?

You micro managing every tiny step. Of course he can’t be blamed for that. But he’s the manager buck stops at him, the way he trains set up his team is what leads to these mistakes and results.

What’s next the bus was late, they used the wrong washing powder. You clutching at straws to defend bulut and can only pin point seconds of the game.
We lost both our opening games haven’t scored a goal and conceded 7. If that’s what you expected this season that I understand why you can’t see the issue with bulut.

I'm not pinpointing only seconds of the game.

On multiple threads I've mentioned multiple parts of the game and I've also openly criticised certain aspects of what Bulut is and has done.

This whole "its Buluts fault" only goes a certain distance. Players also have to take accountability for what they have done.

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.

In a way it is though, he chose the team. Hovarth should not have been on the pitch 2nd choice at best.
Sorry, in my opinion it is the managers fault.

I believe Alnwick is a better keeper, so do agree on that point.

But can't blame him really for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Or for our other players missing chances.

The goal is buluts fault. This is what happens when you continue go backwards, the more something risky happens the more chance there is of that risk occurring. He plays negative football so he’s to blame for the negative outcomes.

If you think bulut is the man got the job fair enough, I used to but he’s been here long enough for me to show that he isn’t. I don’t want us writing another season off because we stuck with an out of depth manager for to long.

Sometimes we need to go backwards, not as much as we do, but sometimes it's needed.

Can't blame Bulut for Goutas going backwards when being pressed or for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Surely you realise that blaming him for how a player takes his eye off the ball sounds ridiculous?

You micro managing every tiny step. Of course he can’t be blamed for that. But he’s the manager buck stops at him, the way he trains set up his team is what leads to these mistakes and results.

What’s next the bus was late, they used the wrong washing powder. You clutching at straws to defend bulut and can only pin point seconds of the game.
We lost both our opening games haven’t scored a goal and conceded 7. If that’s what you expected this season that I understand why you can’t see the issue with bulut.

I'm not pinpointing only seconds of the game.

On multiple threads I've mentioned multiple parts of the game and I've also openly criticised certain aspects of what Bulut is and has done.

This whole "its Buluts fault" only goes a certain distance. Players also have to take accountability for what they have done.

Yes they do. But being a manager makes you accountable. Very very rarely do players get sacked and if they do it even rarer because of footballing matters. Bulut knows the score he’s doesn’t need any white knights.

It’s not just football where the boss is accountable you must understand that surely. He’s the boss he has to take the highs with the lows. Or are you saying Ferguson and his ilk aren’t good managers? The players made them look good?

I agree with some parts of your post.

The youngsters are good enough and should be involved, I also agree we should be pressing from the front.

What I don't agree with is that we haven't tried to change things.

The football is clearly different, we were playing balls in behind and getting on the end of them, more chances than we had last season and should have gone in at half time 2-1 up, we just aren't clinical enough.

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.

In a way it is though, he chose the team. Hovarth should not have been on the pitch 2nd choice at best.
Sorry, in my opinion it is the managers fault.

I believe Alnwick is a better keeper, so do agree on that point.

But can't blame him really for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Or for our other players missing chances.

It’s a recurring cycle from Bulut fans. . “Could have” ‘should have” despite criticising style of play, tactics and selection. It was better to watch early yesterday but with no end product once again. Bulutball with a pit more prettiness same outcome. Bulut chooses not to change. And we need change. I actually think he doesn’t know how to change and in particular have more bodies in the box and ridding the isolation for our strikers, So he’s made a rod for his own back and for me I hate saying this, get rid now and embrace the change that’s needed. He should never have been offered a contract I was dead against it. It’s as if there’s been no summer break since the Rotherham game. Unacceptable

We are literally 2 games in..
Let's all get a grip, the football is marginally better and transfer window still open.
Little patience and alot of hope left still.
Seen a hell of alot worse over the years, we've been spoilt the last decade or so

And that sums it up “should have” but we didn’t because we are not good enough. Looks at the facts 5-0 we lost, it’s was l that score because of bullets tactics, teams know we will help create chances for them, everytime we go back way which is a lot we moving the ball in the direction the other team want it to go with out them evening having to try. We attack a lot more only problem is we attack are own goal.[/quote]

So it's Buluts tactics that Horvath let the ball under his foot for their first, Buluts tactics that Meite hit the post when he was through, Buluts tactics that Kanga was offside, and Buluts tactics that made the header from the corner we had go straight to the keeper?

Thats a new one to me.[/quote]

In a way it is though, he chose the team. Hovarth should not have been on the pitch 2nd choice at best.
Sorry, in my opinion it is the managers fault.[/quote]

I believe Alnwick is a better keeper, so do agree on that point.

But can't blame him really for Horvath taking his eye off the ball.

Or for our other players missing chances.[/quote]

It’s a recurring cycle from Bulut fans. . “Could have” ‘should have” despite criticising style of play, tactics and selection. It was better to watch early yesterday but with no end product once again. Bulutball with a pit more prettiness same outcome. Bulut chooses not to change. And we need change. I actually think he doesn’t know how to change and in particular have more bodies in the box and ridding the isolation for our strikers, So he’s made a rod for his own back and for me I hate saying this, get rid now and embrace the change that’s needed. He should never have been offered a contract I was dead against it. It’s as if there’s been no summer break since the Rotherham game. Unacceptable[/quote]

You spot on change is needed.

We are literally 2 games in..
Let's all get a grip, the football is marginally better and transfer window still open.
Little patience and alot of hope left still.
Seen a hell of alot worse over the years, we've been spoilt the last decade or so

Some would say get a grip and stop thinking things will change. When all the evidence says it won’t

Its not as if we lost to Dagenham. We lost to a team which will walk this division, same as they did a few years back.

Of course I'm not saying that Fergie was made to look good because of his players. But what I am saying is that sometimes, it's a players fault. If they miss a penalty for example, that's not on the manager.

Some things are the managers fault, some times it's the players. Not everything can be made to be Buluts fault no matter how hard people try to make it so.

Its not as if we lost to Dagenham. We lost to a team which will walk this division, same as they did a few years back.

Of course I'm not saying that Fergie was made to look good because of his players. But what I am saying is that sometimes, it's a players fault. If they miss a penalty for example, that's not on the manager.

Some things are the managers fault, some times it's the players. Not everything can be made to be Buluts fault no matter how hard people try to make it so.

Ok. Who in you view should be held accountable for team performance.

I admit that I wanted Bulut to be given an extension on the basis that last season was a massive improvement on the previous season with little/no money. That feeling was shared by a lot of posters on here who now appear to have backtracked or gone into hiding.

The Rotherham game started the doubts for me but I felt, strongly, that the club needed stability at manager level.

My feelings now are that I want him to succeed but the only reason I’m not calling for his head quite yet is that we’re yet to see the team with Robertson and El Ghazi. I also live in hope that if McGuinness is sold for good money we can use the fee on finally buying a decent striker and cover CB with a loan signing (Phillips maybe if he’s still available the end of the window ?).

All that said, if we lose again to the unwashed on Sunday I think his position will be almost untenable unless some of the ideas I’ve mentioned above are on the verge of fruition.

I don’t think he’s a bad manager, I just think he needs to be more flexible with tactics to suit the players he’s got.

Its not as if we lost to Dagenham. We lost to a team which will walk this division, same as they did a few years back.

Of course I'm not saying that Fergie was made to look good because of his players. But what I am saying is that sometimes, it's a players fault. If they miss a penalty for example, that's not on the manager.

Some things are the managers fault, some times it's the players. Not everything can be made to be Buluts fault no matter how hard people try to make it so.

Ok. Who in you view should be held accountable for team performance.

I'm not on about overall performance.

Horvath should be held accountable for his error.

Meite should have buried his chance, he should be accountable for that.

Its not as if we lost to Dagenham. We lost to a team which will walk this division, same as they did a few years back.

Of course I'm not saying that Fergie was made to look good because of his players. But what I am saying is that sometimes, it's a players fault. If they miss a penalty for example, that's not on the manager.

Some things are the managers fault, some times it's the players. Not everything can be made to be Buluts fault no matter how hard people try to make it so.

Ok. Who in you view should be held accountable for team performance.

I'm not on about overall performance.

Horvath should be held accountable for his error.

Meite should have buried his chance, he should be accountable for that.

Overall performance is what the league is about.
You micro managing snippets of games.

Its not as if we lost to Dagenham. We lost to a team which will walk this division, same as they did a few years back.

Of course I'm not saying that Fergie was made to look good because of his players. But what I am saying is that sometimes, it's a players fault. If they miss a penalty for example, that's not on the manager.

Some things are the managers fault, some times it's the players. Not everything can be made to be Buluts fault no matter how hard people try to make it so.

Ok. Who in you view should be held accountable for team performance.

I'm not on about overall performance.

Horvath should be held accountable for his error.

Meite should have buried his chance, he should be accountable for that.

Overall performance is what the league is about.
You micro managing snippets of games.

Micro managing? That's not micro managing. It's not the workplace.

Those small snippets amount to a full game.

Of course not.