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“ Substitutes change games “

Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:01 pm

That’s the role of a substitute.

But it doesn’t mean they should then start the next game.

Yes - Colwill and Tanner made a difference when they came on. This happened because they were full of energy and the opposition’s defenders were starting to tire.

Do I think either of them should start against Boro? No.

Because the truth is some players are better to bring on when the opponents are starting to get tired, instead of being the ones who start the game.

I am far from convinced that either Tanner or Colwill are capable of having that sort of impact from the start of a match.

But that’s fine, it’s why we have them as impact substitutes.

Robinson is different because he has previously been successful when starting games, the same can’t be said for Colwill and Tanner.

Re: “ Substitutes change games “

Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:26 pm

I’ll have to disagree a bit,if you’re good and fit enough you start as you pick your best players in the starting eleven.
Anyone remember Fairclough for Liverpool in the 70s I think,he was the Super sub who scored lots of goals from the bench.
I don’t think he was good enough to start as players were better than him and it just worked outswell for him.

Re: “ Substitutes change games “

Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:32 pm

theclaw wrote:I’ll have to disagree a bit,if you’re good and fit enough you start as you pick your best players in the starting eleven.
Anyone remember Fairclough for Liverpool in the 70s I think,he was the Super sub who scored lots of goals from the bench.
I don’t think he was good enough to start as players were better than him and it just worked outswell for him.


That’s also my point, I don’t think Colwill or Tanner are part of our best eleven players.

Re: “ Substitutes change games “

Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:51 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:That’s the role of a substitute.

But it doesn’t mean they should then start the next game.

Yes - Colwill and Tanner made a difference when they came on. This happened because they were full of energy and the opposition’s defenders were starting to tire.

Do I think either of them should start against Boro? No.

Because the truth is some players are better to bring on when the opponents are starting to get tired, instead of being the ones who start the game.

I am far from convinced that either Tanner or Colwill are capable of having that sort of impact from the start of a match.

But that’s fine, it’s why we have them as impact substitutes.

Robinson is different because he has previously been successful when starting games, the same can’t be said for Colwill and Tanner.


Absolutely agree with you.

It would be nice occasionally to bring on substitutes to finish teams off rather than them having to get us back into games from losing positions though.

Having said that if we were leading we'd probably bring on defensive substitutes to try to see the game out!

Also think Robinson must start on Saturday.

Re: “ Substitutes change games “

Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:55 pm

davids wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:That’s the role of a substitute.

But it doesn’t mean they should then start the next game.

Yes - Colwill and Tanner made a difference when they came on. This happened because they were full of energy and the opposition’s defenders were starting to tire.

Do I think either of them should start against Boro? No.

Because the truth is some players are better to bring on when the opponents are starting to get tired, instead of being the ones who start the game.

I am far from convinced that either Tanner or Colwill are capable of having that sort of impact from the start of a match.

But that’s fine, it’s why we have them as impact substitutes.

Robinson is different because he has previously been successful when starting games, the same can’t be said for Colwill and Tanner.


Absolutely agree with you.

It would be nice occasionally to bring on substitutes to finish teams off rather than them having to get us back into games from losing positions though.

Having said that if we were leading we'd probably bring on defensive substitutes to try to see the game out!

Also think Robinson must start on Saturday.


Subs are also used to defend leads It's upto coach to utilise them to benefit team! Think our problem is got players to effect game going forward but not defending... hopefully our new recruits changes the narrative

Re: “ Substitutes change games “

Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:58 pm

davids wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:That’s the role of a substitute.

But it doesn’t mean they should then start the next game.

Yes - Colwill and Tanner made a difference when they came on. This happened because they were full of energy and the opposition’s defenders were starting to tire.

Do I think either of them should start against Boro? No.

Because the truth is some players are better to bring on when the opponents are starting to get tired, instead of being the ones who start the game.

I am far from convinced that either Tanner or Colwill are capable of having that sort of impact from the start of a match.

But that’s fine, it’s why we have them as impact substitutes.

Robinson is different because he has previously been successful when starting games, the same can’t be said for Colwill and Tanner.


Absolutely agree with you.

It would be nice occasionally to bring on substitutes to finish teams off rather than them having to get us back into games from losing positions though.

Having said that if we were leading we'd probably bring on defensive substitutes to try to see the game out!

Also think Robinson must start on Saturday.

Pointless starting Robinson if you haven't got the attacking flare of Colwill behind him.

Re: “ Substitutes change games “

Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:04 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
theclaw wrote:I’ll have to disagree a bit,if you’re good and fit enough you start as you pick your best players in the starting eleven.
Anyone remember Fairclough for Liverpool in the 70s I think,he was the Super sub who scored lots of goals from the bench.
I don’t think he was good enough to start as players were better than him and it just worked outswell for him.


That’s also my point, I don’t think Colwill or Tanner are part of our best eleven players.

I would agree, they aren't part of the best players to start in a Bulut set up. But if we had a modern manager Colwill would definitely be a starter and Tanner would start more games and be more effective.

Re: “ Substitutes change games “

Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:12 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
theclaw wrote:I’ll have to disagree a bit,if you’re good and fit enough you start as you pick your best players in the starting eleven.
Anyone remember Fairclough for Liverpool in the 70s I think,he was the Super sub who scored lots of goals from the bench.
I don’t think he was good enough to start as players were better than him and it just worked outswell for him.


That’s also my point, I don’t think Colwill or Tanner are part of our best eleven players.

I would agree, they aren't part of the best players to start in a Bulut set up. But if we had a modern manager Colwill would definitely be a starter and Tanner would start more games and be more effective.


Always an excuse for Colwill. It’s the manager, it’s because he was growing, it’s because of the other players etc.

I know people don’t want to believe it but maybe it’s because he’s just not good enough to start.

Re: “ Substitutes change games “

Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:19 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
theclaw wrote:I’ll have to disagree a bit,if you’re good and fit enough you start as you pick your best players in the starting eleven.
Anyone remember Fairclough for Liverpool in the 70s I think,he was the Super sub who scored lots of goals from the bench.
I don’t think he was good enough to start as players were better than him and it just worked outswell for him.


That’s also my point, I don’t think Colwill or Tanner are part of our best eleven players.

I would agree, they aren't part of the best players to start in a Bulut set up. But if we had a modern manager Colwill would definitely be a starter and Tanner would start more games and be more effective.


Always an excuse for Colwill. It’s the manager, it’s because he was growing, it’s because of the other players etc.

I know people don’t want to believe it but maybe it’s because he’s just not good enough to start.

He's not the right player to start in a Bulut team, for reasons I've stated but definitely good enough to start in an attack minded team.

But as long as both Colwill and Bulut are here at Cardiff we'll never find out.

Re: “ Substitutes change games “

Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:47 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
theclaw wrote:I’ll have to disagree a bit,if you’re good and fit enough you start as you pick your best players in the starting eleven.
Anyone remember Fairclough for Liverpool in the 70s I think,he was the Super sub who scored lots of goals from the bench.
I don’t think he was good enough to start as players were better than him and it just worked outswell for him.


That’s also my point, I don’t think Colwill or Tanner are part of our best eleven players.


To be honest I think Colwill,Robinson and Tanner would have been better starters than Siopis,Kanga and Meite.