South Wales Police?

How much do south wales police make from these bubble trips ? Do any of our fans have this information? Is it the ‘nice little earner’ some people are saying

How much do south wales police make from these bubble trips ? Do any of our fans have this information? Is it the ‘nice little earner’ some people are saying

Massive source of income that’s why it’s next to never done.

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under legislation to protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

Why are we still complaining about bubbles?

Not aimed at OP, but towards the few moaners about it but did you see how many fans were waiting? Unless you are hoping to enjoy a “scrap”?

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

The cost comes from getting in extra men on days off then it's overtime well use to be ...and of course clubs pick up tab for the overtime

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

The cost comes from getting in extra men on days off then it's overtime well use to be ...and of course clubs pick up tab for the overtime

That’s my point, Allan; the clubs don’t pay anywhere near the cost of policing on any given day; but the overtime for some is a necessity, just as it is in any job that requires its workers to carry out additional work

I understand the south Wales ‘bubble’ as it protects the ‘Jacks’ from the perils of believing their own hype…!

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

The cost comes from getting in extra men on days off then it's overtime well use to be ...and of course clubs pick up tab for the overtime

with the cost of living crisis overtime would be welcomed by many in SWP so probably in their interests to keep it in place

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

The cost comes from getting in extra men on days off then it's overtime well use to be ...and of course clubs pick up tab for the overtime

That’s my point, Allan; the clubs don’t pay anywhere near the cost of policing on any given day; but the overtime for some is a necessity, just as it is in any job that requires its workers to carry out additional work

I understand the south Wales ‘bubble’ as it protects the ‘Jacks’ from the perils of believing their own hype…!

Sven Probably right about the swans .....but on a serious note not sure anyone in authority want the risk of idiots (non football) causing trouble at the game...... yes bigger derbies around but by shear size of most prohibits a bubble plus fans mix everyday not so our games.... as someone points out the bubble should have stopped in 2009 but for whatever reason it wasn't done so left with it..
If no bubble its easy to contain swans fans as straight Rd to ground from station but how do city fans get to their ground from station logistical nightmare .....Will end but when is the question?

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under legislation to protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

I was trying to be sarcastic. I have admittedly failed miserably.

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under legislation to protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

I was trying to be sarcastic. I have admittedly failed miserably.

Not first person on here to do that!

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under legislation to protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

I was trying to be sarcastic. I have admittedly failed miserably.

Not first person on here to do that!

Lol.

I’m surprised police get overtime.

I’m in the military and don’t get overtime ever.

I’m surprised police get overtime.

I’m in the military and don’t get overtime ever.

Its all of the 'hard work' they do handing out fixed penalties for people riding electric scooters or dropping fag butt's.

Policing isn't the same anymore and bar a few that I know who are good blokes and use common sense, I don't have any respect for them.

I’m surprised police get overtime.

I’m in the military and don’t get overtime ever.

Lots of jobs don’t get overtime, so does that mean no one can?

I’d rather have the right numbers on duty to deal with potential crowd trouble than a skeleton staff ‘in the hope’ nothing kicks off

Overtime comes in many guises, too; including Bank Holidays, where those working across many industries are compensated for losing ‘family time’

It’s a minefield in some areas but it’s a necessity in others

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

The cost comes from getting in extra men on days off then it's overtime well use to be ...and of course clubs pick up tab for the overtime

No, Allan; the clubs only pick up ‘some’ of the overall costs and certainly don’t make a ‘profit’ from their work in their communities, inc. football

The Police up to the rank of Sgt get time and and a third for ordinary overtime time and double time for Bank Holidays a lot of the policing is done by knowing the fixtures and changing their shifts

I’m surprised police get overtime.

I’m in the military and don’t get overtime ever.

Lots of jobs don’t get overtime, so does that mean no one can?

I’d rather have the right numbers on duty to deal with potential crowd trouble than a skeleton staff ‘in the hope’ nothing kicks off

Overtime comes in many guises, too; including Bank Holidays, where those working across many industries are compensated for losing ‘family time’

It’s a minefield in some areas but it’s a necessity in others

I just figured they were salaried and would be similar to military in being a public service sector.

Inspector and above salaried

The Police up to the rank of Sgt get time and and a third for ordinary overtime time and double time for Bank Holidays a lot of the policing is done by knowing the fixtures and changing their shifts

Well worth knowing, thank you.

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

The cost comes from getting in extra men on days off then it's overtime well use to be ...and of course clubs pick up tab for the overtime

No, Allan; the clubs only pick up ‘some’ of the overall costs and certainly don’t make a ‘profit’ from their work in their communities, inc. football

Well Chris its costing money whoever is paying it...

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

The cost comes from getting in extra men on days off then it's overtime well use to be ...and of course clubs pick up tab for the overtime

No, Allan; the clubs only pick up ‘some’ of the overall costs and certainly don’t make a ‘profit’ from their work in their communities, inc. football

Well Chris its costing money whoever is paying it...

Indeed; but the OP implied they may ‘police for profit’ and only their camera vans do that…!

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

The cost comes from getting in extra men on days off then it's overtime well use to be ...and of course clubs pick up tab for the overtime

No, Allan; the clubs only pick up ‘some’ of the overall costs and certainly don’t make a ‘profit’ from their work in their communities, inc. football

Well Chris its costing money whoever is paying it...

Indeed; but the OP implied they may ‘police for profit’ and only their camera vans do that…!

Chris Only the officers make a profit as been pointed out they manipulate their shifts to get overtime ....been going on for many years (friend was in police) overtime to stand do nothing 99.9% of time usually get to watch game free ...

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

The cost comes from getting in extra men on days off then it's overtime well use to be ...and of course clubs pick up tab for the overtime

No, Allan; the clubs only pick up ‘some’ of the overall costs and certainly don’t make a ‘profit’ from their work in their communities, inc. football

Well Chris its costing money whoever is paying it...

Indeed; but the OP implied they may ‘police for profit’ and only their camera vans do that…!

Chris Only the officers make a profit as been pointed out they manipulate their shifts to get overtime ....been going on for many years (friend was in police) overtime to stand do nothing 99.9% of time usually get to watch game free ...

Allan, modernly that is an outdated statement and whilst Officers on the street welcome additional payment (wouldn’t we all?) the senior managers look well in advance at football fixtures and plan the levels of ‘feet on the ground’ by manipulating shift patterns to have the maximum numbers available ‘on duty’ rather than having to bring them in for ‘additional paid duties’ at a cost; not all of which is recoverable by their accountants

Such are the tight budgets of all public services, money-saving in budget planning is a must, as is their claiming as much back as they can

The on-duty Officers ‘standing around’ is hopefully a sign of their successful planning for each event in itself; or as one Officer said, “When we have to step in, our planning has essentially failed”

Massive source of income? That’s not right!

The ‘bubble’ is an arrangement made under protect the public and prevent disorder; the merits of which are open to debate

Policing football matches costs £millions per annum and the constabularies involved (modernity only South Wales and maybe Glasgow and Scotland) are very much out of pocket when the books are balanced; notwithstanding some (not all) of the on-duty Officers are paid additionally to their salaries for their time

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-chief ... ue%20clubs.

The cost comes from getting in extra men on days off then it's overtime well use to be ...and of course clubs pick up tab for the overtime

No, Allan; the clubs only pick up ‘some’ of the overall costs and certainly don’t make a ‘profit’ from their work in their communities, inc. football

Well Chris its costing money whoever is paying it...

Indeed; but the OP implied they may ‘police for profit’ and only their camera vans do that…!

Chris Only the officers make a profit as been pointed out they manipulate their shifts to get overtime ....been going on for many years (friend was in police) overtime to stand do nothing 99.9% of time usually get to watch game free ...

Allan, modernly that is an outdated statement and whilst Officers on the street welcome additional payment (wouldn’t we all?) the senior managers look well in advance at football fixtures and plan the levels of ‘feet on the ground’ by manipulating shift patterns to have the maximum numbers available ‘on duty’ rather than having to bring them in for ‘additional paid duties’ at a cost; not all of which is recoverable by their accountants

Such are the tight budgets of all public services, money-saving in budget planning is a must, as is their claiming as much back as they can

The on-duty Officers ‘standing around’ is hopefully a sign of their successful planning for each event in itself; or as one Officer said, “When we have to step in, our planning has essentially failed”

Chris your Probably right things have changed but there are drill some who doit ....the other going of course is police are not routinly at football matches certainly not within grounds which is where the costs are.. only high profile games get police stationed inside at ccs been that way for years I think... anyway fan hooliganism is generally a thing of the past in this country ...so is it time yo remove the bubble?

Clubs employ stewards because they are cheaper.

The vast majority of Police Officers working a Police Support Unit (PSU) get no overtime. Their days off are cancelled with more than 8 days notice meaning they get a day off in lieu. They volunteer to do PSU duties though are coerced in to this.