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Sat Sep 07, 2024 3:55 pm

RUBIN COLWILL - HOW GOOD ? :

Aged 22 just under 100 appearances for the Cardiff first team.

There is a lot of emphasis and criticism by many fans that Bulut does not utilize Rubin enough ….or that Colwill should be starting every game ….or even that the team should be built around him .


The question is that …… is this criticism justified ?


To start with , in the main , really top players show their ability and start making their mark , by the time they are 19 or 20 ….if not before.


I have grown hoarse making the point and expressing my anger about so many people referring to our 21 and 22 year olds ….as kids .


If Colwill is so great …..he would have been a regular in our team for at least the last two years? That’s what some are saying .

Few days ago Bellamy said :”I’ve known Rubin a long time and his potential is there for all to see ……but….he’s got a LONG way to go.”

Under McCarthy , Morrison , Hudson , Lamouchi ….. he was not a regular ….at a time when he was of age …if he was such a great player, you could say?
But he did for one of those years have bad growing pains and he suddenly shot up. He’s still managed so far just under 100 appearances for the Bluebirds.



What is beyond doubt is that he has got a lot of talent and can win games with one sublime pass or with his fantastic rocket shots from a distance .

But , on the other hand : he also keeps losing the ball very regularly (particularly when he is trying his ball tricks and skills) .

He is also very slow sometimes.

He can be quite inconsistent, that’s his problem . He seems to have problems with his stamina.



In short he is an enigma ….super player at times ….. control of the ball can be Premier League standard and some of his goals are pure class.

Will Rubin be able to build on his great ability and strengths ….while at the same time overcome his deficiencies ?

We all hope that he can ….. but…… it is not certain at all.


Will Rubin Colwill one day become an established Premiere League player ….and/or will he become a key established Welsh National Team player ? Hmm….. possibly ….but ….hmm…. ?


Is Bulut wrong ?

What do you think ?
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Sat Sep 07, 2024 4:04 pm

ANNIS

99% can be a prem player just needs right manager to use him properly he changes games and see's that different pass etc,
that others don't
he stands out for me,
i would rather him start than ramsey
he also runs with the ball reminds me of steve gerrard
but he cannot do it all in 20 mins here and there needs full games week in week out.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 4:07 pm

He needs to be given a run in the team. Trust him and give him an opportunity.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 4:16 pm

The one thing consistent with him is his final ball and decision making in particular ... this as not changed he holds ball to long so either loses possession or doesn't find the player in best position to score ... surely he would have learnt this art by now?

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 4:27 pm

pembroke allan wrote:The one thing consistent with him is his final ball and decision making in particular ... this as not changed he holds ball to long so either loses possession or doesn't find the player in best position to score ... surely he would have learnt this art by now?



It a depends on who is mentoring him
more one to one on sorting and fine tuning and moulding him,
he is still a young lad and to be fare he has had a few probs in the past 2 years,
but he is showing more promise lately and we do not want to let him go elsewhere,
can you imagine him working under a decent manager say an eddy howe type ,
its all about been coached the right way confidence building
its all been fits and starts for him under different mangers.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 4:42 pm

montyblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:The one thing consistent with him is his final ball and decision making in particular ... this as not changed he holds ball to long so either loses possession or doesn't find the player in best position to score ... surely he would have learnt this art by now?



It a depends on who is mentoring him
more one to one on sorting and fine tuning and moulding him,
he is still a young lad and to be fare he has had a few probs in the past 2 years,
but he is showing more promise lately and we do not want to let him go elsewhere,
can you imagine him working under a decent manager say an eddy howe type ,
its all about been coached the right way confidence building
its all been fits and starts for him under different mangers.



Agree about decent coach maybe he's a late developer due to his well published growth problems? If bulut doesn't play him regularly not sure he'll ever fulfill his potential and will become a journeyman player in championship/div1

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:28 pm

He's too inconsistent & I'm not sure giving him a run of games would improve that aspect of his play. As has been said his final ball is also lacking a lot of times but there's a good player in there somewhere, not sure what it's going to take to bring out that player consistently though. Maybe he does need to go somewhere else with a more forward thinking manager who can coach that into him.

As for picking him over Ramsey, ridiculous suggestion. There's a reason Ramsey starts for Wales whenever available & Colwill doesn't even get to join the team unless someone drops out, and it's not because Colwill is the better player.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:29 pm

montyblue wrote:ANNIS

99% can be a prem player just needs right manager to use him properly he changes games and see's that different pass etc,
that others don't
he stands out for me,
i would rather him start than ramsey
he also runs with the ball reminds me of steve gerrard
but he cannot do it all in 20 mins here and there needs full games week in week out.

Same here Monty,

And don’t forget most of the managers he’s played under were shite.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:48 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
montyblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:RUBEN COLWILL - HOW GOOD ? :

Aged 22 just under 100 appearances for the Cardiff first team.

There is a lot of emphasis and criticism by many fans that Bulut does not utilize Rubin enough ….or that Colwill should be starting every game ….or even that the team should be built around him .


The question is that …… is this criticism justified ?


To start with , in the main , really top players show their ability and start making their mark , by the time they are 19 or 20 ….if not before.


I have grown hoarse making the point and expressing my anger about so many people referring to our 21 and 22 year olds ….as kids .


If Colwill is so great …..he would have been a regular in our team for at least the last two years? That’s what some are saying .

Few days ago Bellamy said :”I’ve known Rubin a long time and his potential is there for all to see ……but….he’s got a LONG way to go.”

Under McCarthy , Morrison , Hudson , Lamouchi ….. he was not a regular ….at a time when he was of age …if he was such a great player, you could say?
But he did for one of those years have bad growing pains and he suddenly shot up. He’s still managed so far just under 100 appearances for the Bluebirds.



What is beyond doubt is that he has got a lot of talent and can win games with one sublime pass or with his fantastic rocket shots from a distance .

But , on the other hand : he also keeps losing the ball very regularly (particularly when he is trying his ball tricks and skills) .

He is also very slow sometimes.

He can be quite inconsistent, that’s his problem . He seems to have problems with his stamina.



In short he is an enigma ….super player at times ….. control of the ball can be Premier League standard.

Will Rubin be able to build on his great ability and strengths ….while at the same time overcome his deficiencies ?

We all hope that he can ….. but…… it is not certain at all.


Will Rubin Colwill one day become an established Premiere League player ….and/or will he become a key established Welsh National Team player ? Hmm….. possibly ….but ….hmm…. ?


Is Bulut wrong ?

What do you think ?



ANNIS

99% can be a prem player just needs right manager to use him properly he changes games and see's that different pass etc,
that others don't
he stands out for me,
i would rather him start than ramsey
he also runs with the ball reminds me of steve gerrard
but he cannot do it all in 20 mins here and there needs full games week in week out.





Same here Monty,

And don’t forget most of the managers he’s played under were shite.


"And still are shite" sadly.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:54 pm

Welshman in CA wrote:He's too inconsistent & I'm not sure giving him a run of games would improve that aspect of his play. As has been said his final ball is also lacking a lot of times but there's a good player in there somewhere, not sure what it's going to take to bring out that player consistently though. Maybe he does need to go somewhere else with a more forward thinking manager who can coach that into him.

As for picking him over Ramsey, ridiculous suggestion. There's a reason Ramsey starts for Wales whenever available & Colwill doesn't even get to join the team unless someone drops out, and it's not because Colwill is the better player.


Not so rediclious
ramsey has been shocking for cardiff so far way off it
rubin bossed the game against southampton he was in from the start

he and tanner came on as replacements recently in the championship game ,
and completly changed the game and the attack mentality.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:03 pm

His negative is his athleticism. His height negates the buzzy all-action Harry Wilson-type players that the game has drifted to and he is physically immature so hasn't filled his frame yet. When he does his strength will come into play, but that may be a season or two away.
He has the characteristics and skills for 6,8,9 or 10 and you could make a case for any of them, I wonder if Bellamy would consider the false 9 type position if he could up his KM's?

The good news for Rubin is there is no way Bulut survive October so he may get a less rigid safe manager. He needs to play.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:28 pm

As has been mentioned he’s 22 now and played a lot a games. This is probably the finished article. His crossing is so poor, his decisions are wrong 90% of the time and his fitness for a 20 year hold is well pffff.
He’s nowhere near good enough to play for a championship team that has serious premier league potential.
He reminds me of tomlin but with less ability, I think he be an EFL journeyman unfortunately.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 7:35 pm

Colwill deserves to start every game as he's one of the very few players we have that can make something happen.
He has that spark to turn a game.

His negative (and it's a big one) is I'm sorry to say, his footballing brain. Knowing when to hold or release the ball, his positioning or shot selection. He often tries the fancy showboaty back heelers and unnecessary shit rather than knowing when to just play the simple pass. This is not a criticism of his mental capacity in any way, but of the piss poor coaching he's had up to now. He's a big lad and his feet never leave the ground. I'm more than confident given better man management from someone who actually knows what they're doing, he'd easily be a Premiership player.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 8:06 pm

Ketteringblues wrote:Colwill deserves to start every game as he's one of the very few players we have that can make something happen.
He has that spark to turn a game.

His negative (and it's a big one) is I'm sorry to say, his footballing brain. Knowing when to hold or release the ball, his positioning or shot selection. He often tries the fancy showboaty back heelers and unnecessary shit rather than knowing when to just play the simple pass. This is not a criticism of his mental capacity in any way, but of the piss poor coaching he's had up to now. He's a big lad and his feet never leave the ground. I'm more than confident given better man management from someone who actually knows what they're doing, he'd easily be a Premiership player.


His football brain is never going to develop without playing. Most people I speak to outside of the club think it’s ridiculous that we don’t play him.

Sadly I think our club will ruin him and he’ll have to leave for the sake of his career

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 8:22 pm

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 8:33 pm

People make me laugh when they say he needs a run of game where he’s starting.

Yet the same are writing off Kanga after a few games?

Colwill did well at Swansea and against Southampton but always said he has to be consistent - which he hasn’t.

Such a good point that many managers have not started him. Doesn’t that say a lot?

Probably not to some people because they seem to think Colwill is Maradona reincarnated.

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 8:35 pm

montyblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
montyblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:RUBEN COLWILL - HOW GOOD ? :

Aged 22 just under 100 appearances for the Cardiff first team.

There is a lot of emphasis and criticism by many fans that Bulut does not utilize Rubin enough ….or that Colwill should be starting every game ….or even that the team should be built around him .


The question is that …… is this criticism justified ?


To start with , in the main , really top players show their ability and start making their mark , by the time they are 19 or 20 ….if not before.


I have grown hoarse making the point and expressing my anger about so many people referring to our 21 and 22 year olds ….as kids .


If Colwill is so great …..he would have been a regular in our team for at least the last two years? That’s what some are saying .

Few days ago Bellamy said :”I’ve known Rubin a long time and his potential is there for all to see ……but….he’s got a LONG way to go.”

Under McCarthy , Morrison , Hudson , Lamouchi ….. he was not a regular ….at a time when he was of age …if he was such a great player, you could say?
But he did for one of those years have bad growing pains and he suddenly shot up. He’s still managed so far just under 100 appearances for the Bluebirds.



What is beyond doubt is that he has got a lot of talent and can win games with one sublime pass or with his fantastic rocket shots from a distance .

But , on the other hand : he also keeps losing the ball very regularly (particularly when he is trying his ball tricks and skills) .

He is also very slow sometimes.

He can be quite inconsistent, that’s his problem . He seems to have problems with his stamina.



In short he is an enigma ….super player at times ….. control of the ball can be Premier League standard.

Will Rubin be able to build on his great ability and strengths ….while at the same time overcome his deficiencies ?

We all hope that he can ….. but…… it is not certain at all.


Will Rubin Colwill one day become an established Premiere League player ….and/or will he become a key established Welsh National Team player ? Hmm….. possibly ….but ….hmm…. ?


Is Bulut wrong ?

What do you think ?



ANNIS

99% can be a prem player just needs right manager to use him properly he changes games and see's that different pass etc,
that others don't
he stands out for me,
i would rather him start than ramsey
he also runs with the ball reminds me of steve gerrard
but he cannot do it all in 20 mins here and there needs full games week in week out.





Same here Monty,

And don’t forget most of the managers he’s played under were shite.


"And still are shite" sadly.



Without a doubt some of the worst managers ever

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Sat Sep 07, 2024 8:41 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
montyblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
montyblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:RUBEN COLWILL - HOW GOOD ? :

Aged 22 just under 100 appearances for the Cardiff first team.

There is a lot of emphasis and criticism by many fans that Bulut does not utilize Rubin enough ….or that Colwill should be starting every game ….or even that the team should be built around him .


The question is that …… is this criticism justified ?


To start with , in the main , really top players show their ability and start making their mark , by the time they are 19 or 20 ….if not before.


I have grown hoarse making the point and expressing my anger about so many people referring to our 21 and 22 year olds ….as kids .


If Colwill is so great …..he would have been a regular in our team for at least the last two years? That’s what some are saying .

Few days ago Bellamy said :”I’ve known Rubin a long time and his potential is there for all to see ……but….he’s got a LONG way to go.”

Under McCarthy , Morrison , Hudson , Lamouchi ….. he was not a regular ….at a time when he was of age …if he was such a great player, you could say?
But he did for one of those years have bad growing pains and he suddenly shot up. He’s still managed so far just under 100 appearances for the Bluebirds.



What is beyond doubt is that he has got a lot of talent and can win games with one sublime pass or with his fantastic rocket shots from a distance .

But , on the other hand : he also keeps losing the ball very regularly (particularly when he is trying his ball tricks and skills) .

He is also very slow sometimes.

He can be quite inconsistent, that’s his problem . He seems to have problems with his stamina.



In short he is an enigma ….super player at times ….. control of the ball can be Premier League standard.

Will Rubin be able to build on his great ability and strengths ….while at the same time overcome his deficiencies ?

We all hope that he can ….. but…… it is not certain at all.


Will Rubin Colwill one day become an established Premiere League player ….and/or will he become a key established Welsh National Team player ? Hmm….. possibly ….but ….hmm…. ?


Is Bulut wrong ?

What do you think ?



ANNIS

99% can be a prem player just needs right manager to use him properly he changes games and see's that different pass etc,
that others don't
he stands out for me,
i would rather him start than ramsey
he also runs with the ball reminds me of steve gerrard
but he cannot do it all in 20 mins here and there needs full games week in week out.





Same here Monty,

And don’t forget most of the managers he’s played under were shite.


"And still are shite" sadly.



Without a doubt some of the worst managers ever


Doesn’t matter what we think of the managers, the fact is five managers have decided he shouldn’t start games.

Maybe that just proves me and others right when we say he hasn’t done to start, because of his consistency.

He shouldn’t have a run of games just in case he comes good and why aren’t people saying the same about Kanga?? He’s being written off straight away.

Bellamy, who everyone is praising, says Colwill has a lot to do and wasn’t even part of his Wales squad until someone else pulled out through injury.

Lewis Koumas, Josh Cullen, Mark Harris etc are all ahead of him when it comes to attacking players - rightly so in my opinion.

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worcester_ccfc wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
montyblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
montyblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:RUBEN COLWILL - HOW GOOD ? :

Aged 22 just under 100 appearances for the Cardiff first team.

There is a lot of emphasis and criticism by many fans that Bulut does not utilize Rubin enough ….or that Colwill should be starting every game ….or even that the team should be built around him .


The question is that …… is this criticism justified ?


To start with , in the main , really top players show their ability and start making their mark , by the time they are 19 or 20 ….if not before.


I have grown hoarse making the point and expressing my anger about so many people referring to our 21 and 22 year olds ….as kids .


If Colwill is so great …..he would have been a regular in our team for at least the last two years? That’s what some are saying .

Few days ago Bellamy said :”I’ve known Rubin a long time and his potential is there for all to see ……but….he’s got a LONG way to go.”

Under McCarthy , Morrison , Hudson , Lamouchi ….. he was not a regular ….at a time when he was of age …if he was such a great player, you could say?
But he did for one of those years have bad growing pains and he suddenly shot up. He’s still managed so far just under 100 appearances for the Bluebirds.



What is beyond doubt is that he has got a lot of talent and can win games with one sublime pass or with his fantastic rocket shots from a distance .

But , on the other hand : he also keeps losing the ball very regularly (particularly when he is trying his ball tricks and skills) .

He is also very slow sometimes.

He can be quite inconsistent, that’s his problem . He seems to have problems with his stamina.



In short he is an enigma ….super player at times ….. control of the ball can be Premier League standard.

Will Rubin be able to build on his great ability and strengths ….while at the same time overcome his deficiencies ?

We all hope that he can ….. but…… it is not certain at all.


Will Rubin Colwill one day become an established Premiere League player ….and/or will he become a key established Welsh National Team player ? Hmm….. possibly ….but ….hmm…. ?


Is Bulut wrong ?

What do you think ?



ANNIS

99% can be a prem player just needs right manager to use him properly he changes games and see's that different pass etc,
that others don't
he stands out for me,
i would rather him start than ramsey
he also runs with the ball reminds me of steve gerrard
but he cannot do it all in 20 mins here and there needs full games week in week out.





Same here Monty,

And don’t forget most of the managers he’s played under were shite.


"And still are shite" sadly.



Without a doubt some of the worst managers ever


Doesn’t matter what we think of the managers, the fact is five managers have decided he shouldn’t start games.

Maybe that just proves me and others right when we say he hasn’t done to start, because of his consistency.

He shouldn’t have a run of games just in case he comes good and why aren’t people saying the same about Kanga?? He’s being written off straight away.

Bellamy, who everyone is praising, says Colwill has a lot to do and wasn’t even part of his Wales squad until someone else pulled out through injury.

Lewis Koumas, Josh Cullen, Mark Harris etc are all ahead of him when it comes to attacking players - rightly so in my opinion.



Ned,

Those managers in my view were not fit to manage us and were some of the worst we’ve had, so it does matter.


Also Bulut now:


Bulut puts Dads army out and we are bottom and an horrendous home record under Bulut since he arrived.

Sunderland put out the youngest team in the Championship and are Top.

Bulut brings in Colwill when we are losing and chasing the game? ??

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worcester_ccfc wrote:People make me laugh when they say he needs a run of game where he’s starting.

Yet the same are writing off Kanga after a few games?

Colwill did well at Swansea and against Southampton but always said he has to be consistent - which he hasn’t.

Such a good point that many managers have not started him. Doesn’t that say a lot?

Probably not to some people because they seem to think Colwill is Maradona reincarnated.



Colwill playing means that Kanga may actually get one or two chances which is great with me.

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Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:44 am

I see a Peter Whittingham in Colwill.

Whittingham started to motor around the 24 year mark but he had a good bunch of players around his. This is why I advocate Colwill should seek new pastures as the squad we have atm is no where near as good as what Whittingham had to work with.

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Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:05 am

We have not scored a goal this season without Rubin Colwill on the pitch. In both games he has started, he has scored. He has also contributed to goal scoring opportunities. Against Middlesbrough he put an absolutely superb cross in for El Ghazi, who was not sharp enough or fit enough to get contact with.
I’m more concerned that we have a manager who is incapable of producing an attacking approach to home games. His football is pedestrian, boring and ineffective.