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Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:42 pm
How important is it?
There have been plenty of managers who didn't have prior championship experience who did very well in their first season managing at this level.
To name a few:
Nono Espirito Santo
Steve Cooper
Frank Lampard
Xisco Munoz
Keiran McKenna
Scott Parker
There will be more also, but off the top of my head, these are managers who have done extremely well.
On the flip side, we've seen experienced managers like Dinosaur Mick completely fail.
So how important is it actually?
My opinion is starting to change to, if it is a good manager, then the experience innthe championship isn't as important.
Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:12 pm
In our situation it is important.
We are rooted to the bottom of the table and we need someone who has at least managed a few games at this level so it's not a total shock.
If we don't get a win in the next under Riza, the gap will open up.
If the new manager then takes a few games to get used to the league then we really will be cut adrift.
It you're appointing a manager pre season then yes, previous experience isn't so important. But that's not where we are.
Those names you've mentioned are interesting.
Santo, Lampard and Parker were all heavily backed or had one of the best squads in the league. I'd argue that Lampard underperformed with Derby, that squad should have got top two.
Cooper and McKenna did well but McKenna had time in League One to prepare for the Championship. The quality is higher but the leagues are quite similar in how teams play.
Munoz did well at Watford but failed miserably at Wednesday which suggests it wasn't him that was making things work.
Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:41 pm
It's called taking a calculated risk ? Not sure where this forum goes if a big "IF" SCHUMACHER or similar comes in and fails well do know where. .
Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:17 pm
Sometimes whatever manager comes in if he suits the type of players we have develops a team shape that works for them players playing a certain formation can be the catalyst to start the season sometimes it’s a couple of players find a spark under a new manager it’s not always the championship experience that this can bring now I’m not saying yes ideally you would probably back a manager with plenty of experience at this level but sometimes it’s the manager fits the players we got to work with
Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:24 pm
Most of those managers inherited squads that were considered odds on for promotion.
That’s not where we are currently with this set of players.
Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:47 pm
People have made some interesting points here. Whereas it is true that some managers have done well on their Championship debuts - I would feel more comfortable with someone who has Championship experience but isn't over the hill.
Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:49 pm
A fecking wizard or magician couldnt do anything with Kanga!
Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:54 pm
A lot of fair points and opinions here so far.
Its clear that we don't want a dinosaur. And rightly so.
How many years of championship experience is enough, and how recently?
Football has changed, its all about playing from the back etc.
Would a manager with 2 years of success in the championship 5 years ago be relevant?
Or would 6 months last season be better?
Lots of variables which are interesting.
Wed Sep 25, 2024 4:10 pm
It's the same as people wanting a proven 20 goal a season striker & just like that mythical being, successful championship managers are in the same bracket. You've mentioned some names but are they yes men which Tan seems to like or do they have an opinion? In which case they won't be coming here. What people seem to expect is a championship version of Klopp that nobody else wants & who wants to come here, that's not happening.
At this point I would just like to see some effort, a few goals & maybe even a win but even that may be too much to ask no matter who is in charge.
Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:12 pm
It's a very devisive word. Whoever comes in if he has championship experience all well and good.
But if he is someone who advocates high press how good are we are at doing it is the squad fit enough.
Whoever comes in needs to utilise what strengths if any this squad has.
If we get someone who hasn't t managed I tge championship, things will get difficult. I think Championship experience is crucial
Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:41 am
Roath_Blue wrote:How important is it?
There have been plenty of managers who didn't have prior championship experience who did very well in their first season managing at this level.
To name a few:
Nono Espirito Santo
Steve Cooper
Frank Lampard
Xisco Munoz
Keiran McKenna
Scott Parker
There will be more also, but off the top of my head, these are managers who have done extremely well.
On the flip side, we've seen experienced managers like Dinosaur Mick completely fail.
So how important is it actually?
My opinion is starting to change to, if it is a good manager, then the experience innthe championship isn't as important.
Good point
Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:05 am
We need to work out our philosophy for the sake of continuity and stick to it. I hope its progressive expansive and attack minded without being tippy tappy. A Spurs, Liverpool, Ipswich any day over Man City, Arsenal. Once in place, and a change of manager is needed you shortlist managers who play that way, our current list of potential managers styles is all over the place!!
Prior championship experience is desirable, but as long as its not from over 5 years ago like Mark Hughes etc.
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