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Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:29 pm

Hear me out on this one.

The football at the start of the season (and last season to be fair but we were getting results then) was awful.

We all had a bit of hope after Plymouth and Portsmouth. But looking back at that, they were against two very poor teams who have struggled everywhere.

Since then it has been back to the same old football. Do nothing for most of the game and then finally look for a goal when it's too late and time is running out.

He got away with that against Norwich.


But I think tonight is an example that Riza really is no better than Bulut.


If he stays for much longer, we will be relegated.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:31 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Hear me out on this one.

The football at the start of the season (and last season to be fair but we were getting results then) was awful.

We all had a bit of hope after Plymouth and Portsmouth. But looking back at that, they were against two very poor teams who have struggled everywhere.

Since then it has been back to the same old football. Do nothing for most of the game and then finally look for a goal when it's too late and time is running out.

He got away with that against Norwich.


But I think tonight is an example that Riza really is no better than Bulut.


If he stays for much longer, we will be relegated.

Agree stop this experiment.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:32 pm

Sadly I agree

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:32 pm

He’s more likeable than Bulut but lacks the tactical skills and is stubborn like Bulut.

A game crying out for Reindorf and an injection of pace and excitement for the fans and he brings on f*cking Meite.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:32 pm

Underhill1927 wrote:He’s more likeable than Bulut but lacks the tactical skills and is stubborn like Bulut.

A game crying out for Reindorf and an injection of pace and excitement for the fans and he brings on f*cking Meite.

Agree

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:41 pm

Totally agree with all of this
Why oh why is reindorf not coming on , it’s just baffling , f*cking sick of this shit , we desperate for a striker so put reindorf on ffs , give him a chance , it’s the only answer cos apart from that we’ve got no hope

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:43 pm

Time for him to go. Get in Bilic :thumbup:

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:46 pm

Ibby wrote:Time for him to go. Get in Bilic :thumbup:


It's not happening, It's Hudson mk2 all over again, they'll drag it out until the end of the Jan window and then act.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:48 pm

I really though we'd be able to sit back and enjoy some attacking entertaining football this season under Riza.

Didn't think he was the long term fix but thought we played some lovely stuff under him at the start and everything was just a breath of fresh air.

But...completely agree.with u Worchester, that was Bulut dressed up as Riza in the dugout today! I've missed the last 3 games so only had 2 minute highlights to go off but if the previous 3 games were anything like tonight I'm sooooo disappointed. Why have we paid 1 million pound compensation for the same dross?

It was awful tonight, just embarrassing!!!

The players (and Riza) should be ashamed at that performance. No fight, no passion, no heart, no desire to win a football game...and they've let one of the worst teams I've ever seen play us in the championship beat us.

Appalling!!!

Gotta signal out Robinson, Tanner and Colwill tonight. Absolutely pathetic performances from them. Tanner is just too hot and cold, Colwill - my god, is the guy not capable of a simple pass, so f%$king frustrated by him tonight...and Robinson...when the chips are down u can always rely on him to stand up and go f&%king missing. Same old same old. He could have just stood still tonight and we might have played better.

Hang your heads in shame tonight lads!!!

Sorry for the rant!

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:48 pm

I like riza and I was desperate for him to do well but the honeymoon is over now.
He has to go but who comes in to sort the mess out.good luck with that one

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:55 pm

Careful what we wish for!

Riza clearly has a way with the players and can still be a part of the coaching set up. Let’s get a manager in as if they pull the trigger on him it’s obvious they’ll opt for Purse to play interim even if we have a small upturn in form it will also not last

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Wed Nov 27, 2024 11:03 pm

I’ve been saying the same since Luton away and it’s gonna worse since that game he’s to much like bulet same style of football same stubbornness he’s basically bulet2

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 1:30 am

Underhill1927 wrote:He’s more likeable than Bulut but lacks the tactical skills and is stubborn like Bulut.

A game crying out for Reindorf and an injection of pace and excitement for the fans and he brings on f*cking Meite.


Agree with that.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:33 am

He is no better than Bulut because this team are awful. Totally over rated and over paid squad with no quality strikers. I like Riza though and feel sorry for him. He's been asked to do this job with no quality coaches by his side. My criticism of both Bulut and Riza is not trying U23 players more. We lack pace and here is where we could get it.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:38 am

He’s not perfect but the points tally alone tell you Riza is better than Bulut. We’d probably still be on 1 point and 1 goal under him.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:04 am

Totally disagree.

We create lots more chances, shoot more and the football in general is more exciting. We are conceding less goals and winning more games this season than under Bulut.

Too much manager and player bashing on this forum.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:50 am

MikeO76 wrote:Totally disagree.

We create lots more chances, shoot more and the football in general is more exciting. We are conceding less goals and winning more games this season than under Bulut.

Too much manager and player bashing on this forum.


It’s a results business and they get paid handsomely to deliver.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:37 pm

Underhill1927 wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:Totally disagree.

We create lots more chances, shoot more and the football in general is more exciting. We are conceding less goals and winning more games this season than under Bulut.

Too much manager and player bashing on this forum.


It’s a results business and they get paid handsomely to deliver.


Exactly.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:38 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Underhill1927 wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:Totally disagree.

We create lots more chances, shoot more and the football in general is more exciting. We are conceding less goals and winning more games this season than under Bulut.

Too much manager and player bashing on this forum.


It’s a results business and they get paid handsomely to deliver.


Exactly.

Yes exactly! Riza is getting better results than Bulut did this season and probably on a lot less money.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:59 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
Underhill1927 wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:Totally disagree.

We create lots more chances, shoot more and the football in general is more exciting. We are conceding less goals and winning more games this season than under Bulut.

Too much manager and player bashing on this forum.


It’s a results business and they get paid handsomely to deliver.


Exactly.

Yes exactly! Riza is getting better results than Bulut did this season and probably on a lot less money.


Riza has beaten:

Millwall - 9th

Plymouth (two points away from home all season) - 20th

Portsmouth - 24th

Norwich - 10th


Still not won an away game.



Bulut also didn't win an away game, or any games. But his home games were against:

Sunderland - 4th

Middlesbrough - 6th

Leeds - 1st


What this proves is that Riza had much more winnable games. Do I think Bulut would have won those? Probably not.

But there was a new manager bounce with Riza which has well and truly ended - he just lost at home to a QPR team who had only won one game.


Anyone who truly believes that Riza is any better than Bulut are just kidding themselves.

We would go down if either of them were manager for the whole season.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:40 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
Underhill1927 wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:Totally disagree.

We create lots more chances, shoot more and the football in general is more exciting. We are conceding less goals and winning more games this season than under Bulut.

Too much manager and player bashing on this forum.


It’s a results business and they get paid handsomely to deliver.


Exactly.

Yes exactly! Riza is getting better results than Bulut did this season and probably on a lot less money.


Riza has beaten:

Millwall - 9th

Plymouth (two points away from home all season) - 20th

Portsmouth - 24th

Norwich - 10th


Still not won an away game.



Bulut also didn't win an away game, or any games. But his home games were against:

Sunderland - 4th

Middlesbrough - 6th

Leeds - 1st


What this proves is that Riza had much more winnable games. Do I think Bulut would have won those? Probably not.

But there was a new manager bounce with Riza which has well and truly ended - he just lost at home to a QPR team who had only won one game.


Anyone who truly believes that Riza is any better than Bulut are just kidding themselves.

We would go down if either of them were manager for the whole season.

It's all about opinions and mine is Riza is better than Bulut and I'm most definitely not kidding myself.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:58 pm

The results have deteriorated with the football.
We dont have the luxury of points in the bank so I’m afraid we don’t have the time for Riza to try and get this group winning.
Time for a change but ultimately, this comes down to the board making consistently bad appointments since Warnock left .
January window is bigger than ever for us .
If we survive this season, then the board needs to be overhauled in the summer too.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:24 pm

The results have deteriorated with the football.
We dont have the luxury of points in the bank so I’m afraid we don’t have the time for Riza to try and get this group winning.
Time for a change but ultimately, this comes down to the board making consistently bad appointments since Warnock left .
January window is bigger than ever for us .
If we survive this season, then the board needs to be overhauled in the summer too.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:51 pm

Blueman39 wrote:The results have deteriorated with the football.
We dont have the luxury of points in the bank so I’m afraid we don’t have the time for Riza to try and get this group winning.
Time for a change but ultimately, this comes down to the board making consistently bad appointments since Warnock left .
January window is bigger than ever for us .
If we survive this season, then the board needs to be overhauled in the summer too.


This is basically nail on head.

Re: Riza is no better than Bulut

Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:01 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
Underhill1927 wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:Totally disagree.

We create lots more chances, shoot more and the football in general is more exciting. We are conceding less goals and winning more games this season than under Bulut.

Too much manager and player bashing on this forum.


It’s a results business and they get paid handsomely to deliver.


Exactly.

Yes exactly! Riza is getting better results than Bulut did this season and probably on a lot less money.


Riza has beaten:

Millwall - 9th

Plymouth (two points away from home all season) - 20th

Portsmouth - 24th

Norwich - 10th


Still not won an away game.



Bulut also didn't win an away game, or any games. But his home games were against:

Sunderland - 4th

Middlesbrough - 6th

Leeds - 1st


What this proves is that Riza had much more winnable games. Do I think Bulut would have won those? Probably not.

But there was a new manager bounce with Riza which has well and truly ended - he just lost at home to a QPR team who had only won one game.


Anyone who truly believes that Riza is any better than Bulut are just kidding themselves.

We would go down if either of them were manager for the whole season.

It's all about opinions and mine is Riza is better than Bulut and I'm most definitely not kidding myself.



Riza is a better coach but doesn't have the experience or the backroom staff to help him last night point in question ... the football is better than bulut but it lacks a cutting edge which if look at who's his assistant (purse) perhaps can see why he's fallen back in recent games by being more cautious when wasn't nessasary in games like last night.