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Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:20 pm

Not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere but apparently the Trust met with Dalman and Choo before the Coventry game yesterday.

Minutes to follow ...... when they've been approved maybe?

Wonder what they talked about?

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:27 pm

Yeah I put it on another thread but glad you've started a thread on it's own about it.

Obvious they're in the club's pocket.

The minutes should really be released within 48 hours, it's not difficult.

But they will probably take a week and, like you say, will have to be approved by the club.

Which shows they're not really independent.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:12 pm

It'll be the usual blather no doubt.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:01 pm

Surly the minutes are the minutes didn't think they were aloud to edit or tamper with them?

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:06 pm

Terry B wrote:Surly the minutes are the minutes didn't think they were aloud to edit or tamper with them?


You would like to think so, but this is the Cardiff City board after all.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:49 pm

davids wrote:Not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere but apparently the Trust met with Dalman and Choo before the Coventry game yesterday.

Minutes to follow ...... when they've been approved maybe?

Wonder what they talked about?


I am sure the board have produced a long list of possibles that could potentially walk through cardiffs door before febuary,
but probably with conditions,
no players in if protest goes ahead,
fans have waited 4 years for a striker you have had plenty of time to put things right
You the board will not be trusted anymore to come up with the goods its to late to bargain.
The only way the protest would stop is if tan did.
The then protest would turn into a party

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 8:33 pm

davids wrote:Not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere but apparently the Trust met with Dalman and Choo before the Coventry game yesterday.

Minutes to follow ...... when they've been approved maybe?

Wonder what they talked about?


It will always take a while as 100% they have to get approval from Dalman / Choo first before they can release them
Public.
Its totally studied first and edited.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 8:34 pm

Terry B wrote:Surly the minutes are the minutes didn't think they were aloud to edit or tamper with them?



It does not work that way under this Regime.

And that’s why I don’t Respect The Trust for allowing this.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 8:41 pm

Annis I personally don’t now about all this shit and I’m not the only 1 what’s going on with these meetings and what do they mean about minutes ?f*cking lost I am but 1 thing I do now :WE STILL MARCHING RIGHT

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 8:49 pm

Craigm1927 wrote:Annis I personally don’t now about all this shit and I’m not the only 1 what’s going on with these meetings and what do they mean about minutes ?f*cking lost I am but 1 thing I do now :WE STILL MARCHING RIGHT


Craig,

In previous meetings so much was said about the March, This Forum etc it was stopped from going out to the fans.

Without a doubt We March :bluebird: :bluescarf:

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:18 pm

100% me my 2 boys and my little pick and shovel we be there

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:18 pm

probably informing them of the protest vSwansea

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:27 pm

Trust meeting with the 3 amigos?

It's clear from that hastily arranged meet that publicity about the march has got to Tan and I think they may be panicking a bit.

I honestly don't believe they can handle a large dose of very negative press around CCFC.

The fans are no longer passive and the line has been crossed.

On to the march! No stopping it. No backing out.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:54 pm

Terry B wrote:Surly the minutes are the minutes didn't think they were aloud to edit or tamper with them?


Minutes of any meeting in any decent sized organisation are subject to approval, that’s pretty basic stuff. Otherwise all you have are the unapproved
notes of the minute taker that could contain all sorts of errors, typos, etc.

Nothing sinister in them awaiting approval.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:04 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
Terry B wrote:Surly the minutes are the minutes didn't think they were aloud to edit or tamper with them?


Minutes of any meeting in any decent sized organisation are subject to approval, that’s pretty basic stuff. Otherwise all you have are the unapproved
notes of the minute taker that could contain all sorts of errors, typos, etc.

Nothing sinister in them awaiting approval.



Hmmmmmmmm


Not when I knew was said at the previous meetings and it was deliberately left out or shall we say made to leave it out.

If you search on here, I put out what was really said, a lot different.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:58 am

piledriver64 wrote:
Terry B wrote:Surly the minutes are the minutes didn't think they were aloud to edit or tamper with them?


Minutes of any meeting in any decent sized organisation are subject to approval, that’s pretty basic stuff. Otherwise all you have are the unapproved
notes of the minute taker that could contain all sorts of errors, typos, etc.

Nothing sinister in them awaiting approval.


Not correct. I've operated in both circumstances, and those intended for approval tend to be those that want to veto the contents. Minutes are taken in real time and paraphrasing what is said; they shouldn't require approval.

If changed/modified, then it becomes a statement of the meeting and not minutes.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:49 am

I repeat my previous comments that the Trust represent no one but their (400 or so?) members; but they have a ‘voice’ (and space) within the corridors of power that is both inconsistent and misleading in its real importance to the support-base as a whole

The FAB are still ‘work in progress’ and (with certain exceptions) were voted in by a broader support base; hopefully those people, as a new entity, are learning quickly that some within their group (and above) are not as they seem.

Minutes’ are a requirement of any meeting. They can be ‘summarised’ but must be ‘agreed and seconded’ as ‘accurate’ for them to be taken into records. This can often be at the following meeting but doesn’t stop the broad content from being discussed or acted upon by those in attendance.

I sincerely hope the Trust are not attempting to broker ‘deals’ with the club’s hierarchy on behalf of non-members, as that could backfire on them substantially come 18th January 2025

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 11:02 am

Sven wrote:I repeat my previous comments that the Trust represent no one but their (400 or so?) members; but they have a ‘voice’ (and space) within the corridors of power that is both inconsistent and misleading in its real importance to the support-base as a whole

The FAB are still ‘work in progress’ and (with certain exceptions) were voted in by a broader support base; hopefully those people, as a new entity, are learning quickly that some within their group (and above) are not as they seem.

Minutes’ are a requirement of any meeting. They can be ‘summarised’ but must be ‘agreed and seconded’ as ‘accurate’ for them to be taken into records. This can often be at the following meeting but doesn’t stop the broad content from being discussed or acted upon by those in attendance.

I sincerely hope the Trust are not attempting to broker ‘deals’ with the club’s hierarchy on behalf of non-members, as that could backfire on them substantially come 18th January 2025


Excellent summary, couldn’t agree more

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 2:07 pm

RhysBunce wrote:
Sven wrote:I repeat my previous comments that the Trust represent no one but their (400 or so?) members; but they have a ‘voice’ (and space) within the corridors of power that is both inconsistent and misleading in its real importance to the support-base as a whole

The FAB are still ‘work in progress’ and (with certain exceptions) were voted in by a broader support base; hopefully those people, as a new entity, are learning quickly that some within their group (and above) are not as they seem.

Minutes’ are a requirement of any meeting. They can be ‘summarised’ but must be ‘agreed and seconded’ as ‘accurate’ for them to be taken into records. This can often be at the following meeting but doesn’t stop the broad content from being discussed or acted upon by those in attendance.

I sincerely hope the Trust are not attempting to broker ‘deals’ with the club’s hierarchy on behalf of non-members, as that could backfire on them substantially come 18th January 2025


Excellent summary, couldn’t agree more




They actually are.

Already The Hierarchy have been given names of 12 in the group organising the March.

They want two of us to go with The Trust to a meeting with Dalman and Co and agree to call
It off.


TAN OUT

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 2:29 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
RhysBunce wrote:
Sven wrote:I repeat my previous comments that the Trust represent no one but their (400 or so?) members; but they have a ‘voice’ (and space) within the corridors of power that is both inconsistent and misleading in its real importance to the support-base as a whole

The FAB are still ‘work in progress’ and (with certain exceptions) were voted in by a broader support base; hopefully those people, as a new entity, are learning quickly that some within their group (and above) are not as they seem.

Minutes’ are a requirement of any meeting. They can be ‘summarised’ but must be ‘agreed and seconded’ as ‘accurate’ for them to be taken into records. This can often be at the following meeting but doesn’t stop the broad content from being discussed or acted upon by those in attendance.

I sincerely hope the Trust are not attempting to broker ‘deals’ with the club’s hierarchy on behalf of non-members, as that could backfire on them substantially come 18th January 2025


Excellent summary, couldn’t agree more




They actually are.

Already The Hierarchy have been given names of 12 in the group organising the March.

They want two of us to go with The Trust to a meeting with Dalman and Co and agree to call
It off.


TAN OUT

Well, I’d take that as a compliment, Annis! :thumbup:

They’ve had years to ‘engage’ properly but were never sincere in their intentions and the general support has woken up to their ‘smoke and mirrors’ routine

The Trust can do/promise what they like; but they can only control those within their relatively small group

I think the (high) turnout for the march will surprise a lot of people, as the usually silent majority are seeing the futility of allowing things to go on as they have :ayatollah:

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 2:43 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
Terry B wrote:Surly the minutes are the minutes didn't think they were aloud to edit or tamper with them?


Minutes of any meeting in any decent sized organisation are subject to approval, that’s pretty basic stuff. Otherwise all you have are the unapproved
notes of the minute taker that could contain all sorts of errors, typos, etc.

Nothing sinister in them awaiting approval.



Hmmmmmmmm


Not when I knew was said at the previous meetings and it was deliberately left out or shall we say made to leave it out.

If you search on here, I put out what was really said, a lot different.


Well that’s a different matter. My point is that it’s not unusual for minutes to have to be approved before release.

The minutes should be agreed by all those who were part of the meeting. If anyone doesn’t agree they can then flag up their issues and/or record their objections at the start of the next meeting.

You would hope that if there is anything untoward going on somebody who is part of the meeting would have the b^**^¥!s to put that on record, after resigning if necessary.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:04 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
RhysBunce wrote:
Sven wrote:I repeat my previous comments that the Trust represent no one but their (400 or so?) members; but they have a ‘voice’ (and space) within the corridors of power that is both inconsistent and misleading in its real importance to the support-base as a whole

The FAB are still ‘work in progress’ and (with certain exceptions) were voted in by a broader support base; hopefully those people, as a new entity, are learning quickly that some within their group (and above) are not as they seem.

Minutes’ are a requirement of any meeting. They can be ‘summarised’ but must be ‘agreed and seconded’ as ‘accurate’ for them to be taken into records. This can often be at the following meeting but doesn’t stop the broad content from being discussed or acted upon by those in attendance.

I sincerely hope the Trust are not attempting to broker ‘deals’ with the club’s hierarchy on behalf of non-members, as that could backfire on them substantially come 18th January 2025


Excellent summary, couldn’t agree more




They actually are.

Already The Hierarchy have been given names of 12 in the group organising the March.

They want two of us to go with The Trust to a meeting with Dalman and Co and agree to call
It off.


TAN OUT



And I know what my answer would be .. the Trust have no involvement in the above and enough words have been spoken without real substance. At times, enough becomes enough.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:09 pm

Who is actually part of this trust and why do they think they represent what the fans think?

Or are the minutes leaving out vital information?

Nothing feels right at the moment. Club is rotten.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:15 pm

I have been wanting and waiting for an opportunity for a show of solidarity and resistance to Tan and his neglectful gross mismanagement and broken promises for many years, nothing will stop me marching. He has known about this march for some time and still the silence continues, any business owner who cares about his business would have made a statement by now, its even worse that Dalman and Choo are silent also. And more so as surely he must realise that even the most loyal of Tan followers are dwindling. He has brought it on himself. Any comms or statement between now and the 18th will be spin and pointless, the damage is done, End of

TAN OUT!

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:20 pm

MillenniumNova wrote:Who is actually part of this trust and why do they think they represent what the fans think?

Or are the minutes leaving out vital information?

Nothing feels right at the moment. Club is rotten.


Officially they are a ‘not for profit organisation that looks to protect the interests of the Cardiff City Supporters’

It’s Chaired by Keith Morgan.

The problem is that they aren’t looking out for our own interests at all. They are too worried about what the club will say if they speak against the club and as such they fail to deliver on what they are actually there for.

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:34 pm

The meeting minutes are out and looks like the same old bullshit, very disappointed in Steve borleys stance on the planned protest

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:46 pm

f**k me...

SB {Steve Borley} said that there is a group of people who take delight in seeing the Club fail. Said that that’s not supporting your club in his view and some fans need to be careful what they wish for.

:o

Re: Trust meeting yesterday

Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:48 pm

Load of bollux again, piss poor from the trust letting Cho, Dalman and Nash get off so lightly.

Why did they let them off the hook with the same old lies and shite they always spout. The decision to give Riza the job was not answered satisfactorily and it’s obvious they didn’t do the recruitment process properly

And as for Borley can’t believe he come out with what he did that’s not going to go down well with supporters what a stupid thing to say