Referees

Is it me or has the standard dropped significantly in recent years?

Just watching Fulham v Ipswich.

Darren Bond didn't give a stonewall penalty. VAR gave it in the end but if that was in the Championship, it would be no penalty because of no VAR.

He probably should have sent off an Ipswich player in the first half as well.



The standard has never been exceptionally high but it just seems that since the likes of Clattenburg and Webb stopped, the standard is getting a lot worse.

Is it me or has the standard dropped significantly in recent years?

Just watching Fulham v Ipswich.

Darren Bond didn't give a stonewall penalty. VAR gave it in the end but if that was in the Championship, it would be no penalty because of no VAR.

He probably should have sent off an Ipswich player in the first half as well.



The standard has never been exceptionally high but it just seems that since the likes of Clattenburg and Webb stopped, the standard is getting a lot worse.

Nedvthey reckon player was in way so didn't see contact which makes sense var did its job for once..... but agree standards are poor and getting worse partly due to cheating by players as we saw with Robinson ..refs /var
should be picking up on this but they don't seem to know difference between it being a foul by player and player making the faul by instigating contact..happens every game yet var particularly not able to
See it happening.

I do think the standard has reduced but I think the reason for that is in the past when referees just made the decisions now referees are making decisions and making VAR assumptions at the same time - which they shouldnt do.

For example to Harry Wilson was head on through and with his speed It was clearly a goalscoring opportunity and there are some championship referees who would have given red. Our referee the other day, who sent Robinson off, would have. But referees now know they can take the easy option and just give a yellow - knowing that VAR will override if they think the referee has made a mistake.

I do think the standard has reduced but I think the reason for that is in the past when referees just made the decisions now referees are making decisions and making VAR assumptions at the same time - which they shouldnt do.

For example to Harry Wilson was head on through and with his speed It was clearly a goalscoring opportunity and there are some championship referees who would have given red. Our referee the other day, who sent Robinson off, would have. But referees now know they can take the easy option and just give a yellow - knowing that VAR will override if they think the referee has made a mistake.

The problem is every season pgmol changes things like handball rule... but one thing font change is offside why not make it easier by using cleavage between players? Use to be if standing offside now it's what part body is offside..... also var not always making right decisions like telling ref go to monitor ..... but at end day its about opinions and that is why they'll never get it right ...

We seem to be an era where people who don't play the game set the rules to make it easier for refs.

I have no idea what handball is now. The definition is are the arms in a natural position....WTF they are attached to the shoulder. It used to be deliberate but now its where your arm was.

I think VAR has changed the way the top boys do it now, they barely make a decision and wait.

The Liverpool game was the same.

De Ligt with his hand in the air, ref no pen. Var overturned/told him to go to monitor.

Even then, De Ligt was already on a yellow and should have had a second yellow but didn’t.

Maguire getting a yellow for a brilliant tackle.

The list goes on.

The Liverpool game was the same.

De Ligt with his hand in the air, ref no pen. Var overturned/told him to go to monitor.

Even then, De Ligt was already on a yellow and should have had a second yellow but didn’t.

Maguire getting a yellow for a brilliant tackle.

The list goes on.

Can't give yellow for ball hitting your hand? Yes hands to high but not excessive so pen no doubt once goes to monitor if gets 2nd yellow it would be worst decision so far this season and theres been plenty ... agree about maguire but indicative of what is deemed a foul or not! Darwin should got red for deliberate high attack on opponent head far worse than Robinson......

The Liverpool game was the same.

De Ligt with his hand in the air, ref no pen. Var overturned/told him to go to monitor.

Even then, De Ligt was already on a yellow and should have had a second yellow but didn’t.

Maguire getting a yellow for a brilliant tackle.

The list goes on.

Can't give yellow for ball hitting your hand? Yes hands to high but not excessive so pen no doubt once goes to monitor if gets 2nd yellow it would be worst decision so far this season and theres been plenty ... agree about maguire but indicative of what is deemed a foul or not! Darwin should got red for deliberate high attack on opponent head far worse than Robinson......

Sorry Allan completely disagree on most points mentioned there.

His hand you say wasn’t high, it was right next to his head which he moved there when he saw that the header was going his way. That was deliberate. That’s a yellow.

Maquire got the ball. There’s no two ways about it and if that happened to a city player who then potentially reached the yellow card limit and got suspended you’d be one of the first to say it was the wrong decision. Should never have been a yellow, it was a great tackle and saying otherwise is completely wrong.

The Liverpool game was the same.

De Ligt with his hand in the air, ref no pen. Var overturned/told him to go to monitor.

Even then, De Ligt was already on a yellow and should have had a second yellow but didn’t.

Maguire getting a yellow for a brilliant tackle.

The list goes on.

The foul and yellow card given against Maguire was a shocking decision because Michael Oliver was stood five yards away.

I could see straight away that it was a great tackle so I have no idea how the referee didn't when he was staring right at it.

The Liverpool game was the same.

De Ligt with his hand in the air, ref no pen. Var overturned/told him to go to monitor.

Even then, De Ligt was already on a yellow and should have had a second yellow but didn’t.

Maguire getting a yellow for a brilliant tackle.

The list goes on.

Can't give yellow for ball hitting your hand? Yes hands to high but not excessive so pen no doubt once goes to monitor if gets 2nd yellow it would be worst decision so far this season and theres been plenty ... agree about maguire but indicative of what is deemed a foul or not! Darwin should got red for deliberate high attack on opponent head far worse than Robinson......

Sorry Allan completely disagree on most points mentioned there.

His hand you say wasn’t high, it was right next to his head which he moved there when he saw that the header was going his way. That was deliberate. That’s a yellow.

Maquire got the ball. There’s no two ways about it and if that happened to a city player who then potentially reached the yellow card limit and got suspended you’d be one of the first to say it was the wrong decision. Should never have been a yellow, it was a great tackle and saying otherwise is completely wrong.

I agree that De Ligt was lucky to not get sent off the handball, struggling to work out how Oliver didn't spot it in real time.

Nunez's challenge was just as bad as Robinson's but only a yellow given. I don't think it was a red card and neither was Robinson's challenge.

100% agree and something me and the lads spoke about.

Hibs 3-3 Rangers was game of the weekend. The ref was excellent and allowed play to flow. Nearly every other game I watched this weekend had terrible ref's.

Ours yesterday blew for every single contact. Horrible performance.

Definately a decline in standards and in a period where they are pissing about too much.

The Liverpool game was the same.

De Ligt with his hand in the air, ref no pen. Var overturned/told him to go to monitor.

Even then, De Ligt was already on a yellow and should have had a second yellow but didn’t.

Maguire getting a yellow for a brilliant tackle.

The list goes on.

Can't give yellow for ball hitting your hand? Yes hands to high but not excessive so pen no doubt once goes to monitor if gets 2nd yellow it would be worst decision so far this season and theres been plenty ... agree about maguire but indicative of what is deemed a foul or not! Darwin should got red for deliberate high attack on opponent head far worse than Robinson......

Sorry Allan completely disagree on most points mentioned there.

His hand you say wasn’t high, it was right next to his head which he moved there when he saw that the header was going his way. That was deliberate. That’s a yellow.

Maquire got the ball. There’s no two ways about it and if that happened to a city player who then potentially reached the yellow card limit and got suspended you’d be one of the first to say it was the wrong decision. Should never have been a yellow, it was a great tackle and saying otherwise is completely wrong.

I agreed with you maguire tackle was good.... ref didn't give handball so he had doubts about it but it was right decision by var and they didn't recommend yellow either..... you say was yellow for the handball perhaps ref used common sense rather than ruin the game .. afterall not all handball are yellow are they?
To me Darwin was reckless with his attempt to get ball but only yellow ...anyway var coming to a stadium near us soon we'll have something extr to get excited about.

Another one in Wolves v Forest.

Ait Nouri's arm is clearly away from his body and the ball hits it.

No penalty given by Peter Bankes or VAR. By the letter of the law (this season anyway), should be a penalty.