“ Cardiff City Star in Demand “

I said from day one on here, Sunderland have put their younger players in the first team and stayed right up there.



I say bring Joel Colwill home, we need quality:



Joel is 20 yrs old he’s not a kid.




Joel Colwill on loan at Cheltenham has been having raving reviews.

Omits Riza can either leave Joel on loan to Cheltenham for the rest of the this season ( League 2) or loan Joel to a League 1 Club or bring Joel back to Cardiff who are begging for quality players

Bolton, Bristol Rovers, Huddersfield and Exeter City all want Joel on loan.

Joel Colwill aged 20 a Cardiff City Accademy product and brother to Rubin has played 22 games for Cheltenham scoring 9 goals would love to return to play for Cardiff City.

Joel could return today he’s 20 yrs old, it’s up to Omer Riza??

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I'm still split on this.

I don't think he should come back to us for our first team. There is no guarantee he will get minutes and the good thing at the moment is he's playing every week. The worst thing would be for him to come back and just play U21 football.

I believe he will be a top player in the future. He's doing well with Cheltenham but the jump from League Two to the Championship may be too big and too early right now.

So I say we have two options:


1. Keep him at Cheltenham. He has the stability of playing week in, week out for the same team. It's clearly working for him there.

2. Recall him and send him to a League One club in the bottom half of the table (such as Bristol Rovers). That way he is more likely to continue to play games, whilst playing at a higher level.


Either of those two options would be good in my view.

If we keep him with us for the rest of the season then he will probably not play much or, even worse, go back to U21 football.

I don't think that would help his development.

I think he has the potential to be a brilliant player but choosing one of the two options I've listed would help his development the most.

I must confess I've never seen Joel play, but I'm looking at a few Premier league clubs who are sticking teenagers in their teams and they are doing OK. So I'm surprised at all the comments that want our youngsters to go out on loan when they are in their 20's. I think if they're not good enough for our 1st team squad maybe we should unload them. Or start playing them and see if they improve. We have nothing to lose as we're in a hole and apart from the last couple of games, the performances have been dire. If you listen to people that have seen this lad play then bring him back and stop the talk about him going on loan somewhere else.

I must confess I've never seen Joel play, but I'm looking at a few Premier league clubs who are sticking teenagers in their teams and they are doing OK. So I'm surprised at all the comments that want our youngsters to go out on loan when they are in their 20's. I think if they're not good enough for our 1st team squad maybe we should unload them. Or start playing them and see if they improve. We have nothing to lose as we're in a hole and apart from the last couple of games, the performances have been dire. If you listen to people that have seen this lad play then bring him back and stop the talk about him going on loan somewhere else.

A lot of those young players that Premier League clubs use have had the benefit of two or three seasons out on loan first.

Joel Colwill will be a top player but so far the only first team experience he has had is half a season in League Two.

He either needs to see the season out at Cheltenham or a League One club.

I remember some saying Eli King shouldn't have gone on loan in the summer - well he can't even get a game for Stevenage most weeks at the moment.

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I must confess I've never seen Joel play, but I'm looking at a few Premier league clubs who are sticking teenagers in their teams and they are doing OK. So I'm surprised at all the comments that want our youngsters to go out on loan when they are in their 20's. I think if they're not good enough for our 1st team squad maybe we should unload them. Or start playing them and see if they improve. We have nothing to lose as we're in a hole and apart from the last couple of games, the performances have been dire. If you listen to people that have seen this lad play then bring him back and stop the talk about him going on loan somewhere else.

A lot of those young players that Premier League clubs use have had the benefit of two or three seasons out on loan first.

Joel Colwill will be a top player but so far the only first team experience he has had is half a season in League Two.

He either needs to see the season out at Cheltenham or a League One club.

I remember some saying Eli King shouldn't have gone on loan in the summer - well he can't even get a game for Stevenage most weeks at the moment.

I don't think 17 and 18 year olds have been out on loan for 2 or 3 seasons.

I must confess I've never seen Joel play, but I'm looking at a few Premier league clubs who are sticking teenagers in their teams and they are doing OK. So I'm surprised at all the comments that want our youngsters to go out on loan when they are in their 20's. I think if they're not good enough for our 1st team squad maybe we should unload them. Or start playing them and see if they improve. We have nothing to lose as we're in a hole and apart from the last couple of games, the performances have been dire. If you listen to people that have seen this lad play then bring him back and stop the talk about him going on loan somewhere else.

A lot of those young players that Premier League clubs use have had the benefit of two or three seasons out on loan first.

Joel Colwill will be a top player but so far the only first team experience he has had is half a season in League Two.

He either needs to see the season out at Cheltenham or a League One club.

I remember some saying Eli King shouldn't have gone on loan in the summer - well he can't even get a game for Stevenage most weeks at the moment.

I don't think 17 and 18 year olds have been out on loan for 2 or 3 seasons.

Sorry, just re-read your post and thought you meant players in the early 20s initially.

But what I will say is that they can give these teenagers a bit of experience with them but the majority will later have a loan.

There's the odd wonderkid. But so many players will often get more benefit from playing a whole season out on loan - look at Doak at Middlesbrough, perfect example.

Joel Colwill is still young and is benefitting from being at Cheltenham. There's an argument that he could do well for a League One club until the end of the season.

But if we brought him back and he struggled with Championship football or wasn't getting picked then it would just halt all his development.

It's easy to say "well he'll play every week for us". But I don't think that would be the reality.

Him coming back to sit on the bench or play for the U21s would be the worst thing for him right now.


I still say keep him at Cheltenham or loan him to League One and then he can compete for the first team next season.

In my opinion we should send him off to a lower table league 1 club like Bristol Rovers. I believe he is at risk at not getting game time should he go to a top tier league 1 club such as Huddersfield. A lower League 1 club will give him game time and the opportunity to play against higher opposition.

Does he replace Robertson?
Does he replace Siopsis?
Does he replace Chambers?
Does he replace Ralls?
Does he replace his brother?

If the answer is no to all of them then why bring him back?

I think he’s settled at cheltenham I’d leave him there till end of season why disrupt his season just because you put him into a league one team maybe the way that team plays doesn’t really suit his style of play so sets him back

Does he replace Robertson?
Does he replace Siopsis?
Does he replace Chambers?
Does he replace Ralls?
Does he replace his brother?

If the answer is no to all of them then why bring him back?

Agree

So so far in 15 yrs we have one per who has made it for actually us and he divides fans Rubin Colwill.

I'm still split on this.

I don't think he should come back to us for our first team. There is no guarantee he will get minutes and the good thing at the moment is he's playing every week. The worst thing would be for him to come back and just play U21 football.

I believe he will be a top player in the future. He's doing well with Cheltenham but the jump from League Two to the Championship may be too big and too early right now.

So I say we have two options:


1. Keep him at Cheltenham. He has the stability of playing week in, week out for the same team. It's clearly working for him there.

2. Recall him and send him to a League One club in the bottom half of the table (such as Bristol Rovers). That way he is more likely to continue to play games, whilst playing at a higher level.


Either of those two options would be good in my view.

If we keep him with us for the rest of the season then he will probably not play much or, even worse, go back to U21 football.

I don't think that would help his development.

I think he has the potential to be a brilliant player but choosing one of the two options I've listed would help his development the most.

I agree with that.

Unless he’s guaranteed game time here and a decent amount of it, it will really harm his development.

Send him to L1 or leave him where he is.

Does he replace Robertson?
Does he replace Siopsis?
Does he replace Chambers?
Does he replace Ralls?
Does he replace his brother?

If the answer is no to all of them then why bring him back?

Agree

Agree also. Either bring him back and play him 10 games good or bad to see how he goes or if only 20 mins here and there then pointless.
May as well leave him than move to lge 1 where he's not settled etc

Does he replace Robertson?
Does he replace Siopsis?
Does he replace Chambers?
Does he replace Ralls?
Does he replace his brother?

If the answer is no to all of them then why bring him back?

Agree

Agree also. Either bring him back and play him 10 games good or bad to see how he goes or if only 20 mins here and there then pointless.
May as well leave him than move to lge 1 where he's not settled etc

A difficult one.
I agree that he doesn’t replace the first 3 midfielders on the list but, Ralls is injury prone and imo he’s better than Colwill senior.
If Turnbull was currently fit and not out for another 2 months then I’d agree but I’d be tempted to get him back under current circumstances.

Does he replace Robertson?
Does he replace Siopsis?
Does he replace Chambers?
Does he replace Ralls?
Does he replace his brother?

If the answer is no to all of them then why bring him back?

Agree

Agree also. Either bring him back and play him 10 games good or bad to see how he goes or if only 20 mins here and there then pointless.
May as well leave him than move to lge 1 where he's not settled etc

A difficult one.
I agree that he doesn’t replace the first 3 midfielders on the list but, Ralls is injury prone and imo he’s better than Colwill senior.
If Turnbull was currently fit and not out for another 2 months then I’d agree but I’d be tempted to get him back under current circumstances.

But if he only plays 20 minutes every week that's hurting his development.

He is getting far more out of it by being at Cheltenham.

We need to be thinking long term for him. Because he can become a top player.

As part of the loan deal with Cheltenham, could we send more players there as their coaches seem to develop players better than ours

Continuity can be massive for a young player.

If Joel is anything like his brother then he will be somewhat a confidence player.

We have made some terrible choices when loaning out our youngsters in the past, sending them to Pontypridd or non league clubs.

We’ve also seen that sometimes our judgement is wrong as fans. Eli King is a good example of that. A lot of us thought he was ready, but he can’t get a game.

The loan at Cheltenham is working, he’s happy, his confidence and ability is growing, and he’s playing well.

The more I think about it, I would probably side against him going to a League One club for the rest of the season too.

Upsetting the AppleCart now could really affect his development.

Does he replace Robertson?
Does he replace Siopsis?
Does he replace Chambers?
Does he replace Ralls?
Does he replace his brother?

If the answer is no to all of them then why bring him back?

Agree

Agree also. Either bring him back and play him 10 games good or bad to see how he goes or if only 20 mins here and there then pointless.
May as well leave him than move to lge 1 where he's not settled etc

A difficult one.
I agree that he doesn’t replace the first 3 midfielders on the list but, Ralls is injury prone and imo he’s better than Colwill senior.
If Turnbull was currently fit and not out for another 2 months then I’d agree but I’d be tempted to get him back under current circumstances.

But if he only plays 20 minutes every week that's hurting his development.

He is getting far more out of it by being at Cheltenham.

We need to be thinking long term for him. Because he can become a top player.

Devil’s advocate here but if he was really going to be a top player wouldn’t he be doing it in the championship at age 20?

If we weren’t in a relegation fight he could have a go. Should have been played last season when we were safe from relegation and not going up.

Does he replace Robertson?
Does he replace Siopsis?
Does he replace Chambers?
Does he replace Ralls?
Does he replace his brother?

If the answer is no to all of them then why bring him back?

Agree

Agree also. Either bring him back and play him 10 games good or bad to see how he goes or if only 20 mins here and there then pointless.
May as well leave him than move to lge 1 where he's not settled etc

A difficult one.
I agree that he doesn’t replace the first 3 midfielders on the list but, Ralls is injury prone and imo he’s better than Colwill senior.
If Turnbull was currently fit and not out for another 2 months then I’d agree but I’d be tempted to get him back under current circumstances.

But if he only plays 20 minutes every week that's hurting his development.

He is getting far more out of it by being at Cheltenham.

We need to be thinking long term for him. Because he can become a top player.

Devil’s advocate here but if he was really going to be a top player wouldn’t he be doing it in the championship at age 20?

If we weren’t in a relegation fight he could have a go. Should have been played last season when we were safe from relegation and not going up.

I get your point but I would say bring him into the first team next season.

Not all players are ready by the age of 20 and he is clearly benefiting from regular football.

If he came back, I don't see him being in ahead of Robertson, Siopis, Chambers or his brother (although I disagree with that).

When everyone is fit (not Ramsey, because can't see that happening), he would have next to no chance of starting games this season.


We have rushed players into Championship football before and if anything it's damaged them.

I don't want that to happen to JC because he really does have a big future if we manage it right.

20 year old get him in our squad how many more years will have to go buy before he can have a chance with us no wonder we lose so much talented young players the boy is hungry if he’s good enough he’s old enough

Does he replace Robertson?
Does he replace Siopsis?
Does he replace Chambers?
Does he replace Ralls?
Does he replace his brother?

If the answer is no to all of them then why bring him back?

Agree

Agree also. Either bring him back and play him 10 games good or bad to see how he goes or if only 20 mins here and there then pointless.
May as well leave him than move to lge 1 where he's not settled etc

A difficult one.
I agree that he doesn’t replace the first 3 midfielders on the list but, Ralls is injury prone and imo he’s better than Colwill senior.
If Turnbull was currently fit and not out for another 2 months then I’d agree but I’d be tempted to get him back under current circumstances.

But if he only plays 20 minutes every week that's hurting his development.

He is getting far more out of it by being at Cheltenham.

We need to be thinking long term for him. Because he can become a top player.

Devil’s advocate here but if he was really going to be a top player wouldn’t he be doing it in the championship at age 20?

If we weren’t in a relegation fight he could have a go. Should have been played last season when we were safe from relegation and not going up.

I agree. The most important thing here imo is our championship status; more important than JCs development. If his presence with us helps us survive then it’s a no brainier but it’s a difficult one to decide on that’s for sure.

Does he replace Robertson?
Does he replace Siopsis?
Does he replace Chambers?
Does he replace Ralls?
Does he replace his brother?

If the answer is no to all of them then why bring him back?

Agree

Agree also. Either bring him back and play him 10 games good or bad to see how he goes or if only 20 mins here and there then pointless.
May as well leave him than move to lge 1 where he's not settled etc

A difficult one.
I agree that he doesn’t replace the first 3 midfielders on the list but, Ralls is injury prone and imo he’s better than Colwill senior.
If Turnbull was currently fit and not out for another 2 months then I’d agree but I’d be tempted to get him back under current circumstances.

But if he only plays 20 minutes every week that's hurting his development.

He is getting far more out of it by being at Cheltenham.

We need to be thinking long term for him. Because he can become a top player.

Devil’s advocate here but if he was really going to be a top player wouldn’t he be doing it in the championship at age 20?

If we weren’t in a relegation fight he could have a go. Should have been played last season when we were safe from relegation and not going up.

I agree. The most important thing here imo is our championship status; more important than JCs development. If his presence with us helps us survive then it’s a no brainier but it’s a difficult one to decide on that’s for sure.

I couldn't disagree with that more.

A young player's development is more important than us staying up this season.

That's sacrificing a player's entire career for short term gain.

Besides, the overall likelihood is that he wouldn't play many minutes at all for us.

We have rushed young players into Championship football before and it's backfired.

We must not do that with JC.

Leave him where he is. Gets to play every week, is scoring and assisting - so he can come back in the summer and properly compete for the first team.

Does he replace Robertson?
Does he replace Siopsis?
Does he replace Chambers?
Does he replace Ralls?
Does he replace his brother?

If the answer is no to all of them then why bring him back?

Agree

Agree also. Either bring him back and play him 10 games good or bad to see how he goes or if only 20 mins here and there then pointless.
May as well leave him than move to lge 1 where he's not settled etc

A difficult one.
I agree that he doesn’t replace the first 3 midfielders on the list but, Ralls is injury prone and imo he’s better than Colwill senior.
If Turnbull was currently fit and not out for another 2 months then I’d agree but I’d be tempted to get him back under current circumstances.

But if he only plays 20 minutes every week that's hurting his development.

He is getting far more out of it by being at Cheltenham.

We need to be thinking long term for him. Because he can become a top player.

Devil’s advocate here but if he was really going to be a top player wouldn’t he be doing it in the championship at age 20?

If we weren’t in a relegation fight he could have a go. Should have been played last season when we were safe from relegation and not going up.

I agree. The most important thing here imo is our championship status; more important than JCs development. If his presence with us helps us survive then it’s a no brainier but it’s a difficult one to decide on that’s for sure.

I couldn't disagree with that more.

A young player's development is more important than us staying up this season.

That's sacrificing a player's entire career for short term gain.

Besides, the overall likelihood is that he wouldn't play many minutes at all for us.

We have rushed young players into Championship football before and it's backfired.

We must not do that with JC.

Leave him where he is. Gets to play every week, is scoring and assisting - so he can come back in the summer and properly compete for the first team.

Who’s saying that his development would definitely be affected? It’s a possibility yes, but also a possibility that he could get the game time that could help us stay up as well as going a fair way to starting off his championship footballer journey. Nobody can be sure. It’s opinions at this stage.

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The best young players get nabbed by the top premier league teams for being exactly that, early bloomers.

There are plenty of players that just don’t develop until early 20’s, Vardy being an obvious example

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I said from day one on here, Sunderland have put their younger players in the first team and stayed right up there.


Ralls , Ramsey passed their Sell by date:

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As part of the loan deal with Cheltenham, could we send more players there as their coaches seem to develop players better than ours

I can think of a few to send to them

Bring him back to Cardiff playing along side of his brother, they will strike up a competitive challenge between them, making them even better, Annis you are right, play the youngsters, this is our future especially with money being wasted on crap.